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New bloke. Not sure. Proceed with caution?

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ChippyPickledEggs · 25/09/2019 18:21

A month or so ago I had what I thought was a one weekend stand with a bloke I'd just met (I know, disgraceful, but it was fun.) I really wasn't expecting it to be anything more. We have some mutual friends and are on the periphery of eachothers social circles.

I heard from him afterwards - a text or two here or there - all pretty luke warm. I didn't feel him to be terribly interested, however he did ask me to a weekend festival where our mutual friends would also be a week or two later. I went with an open mind about what to expect and again, the first night, found him pretty luke warm. He was fun and friendly but mostly socialised with others, as did I.

However, the second day and night of the festival we reconnected and spent some nice time together. Since then he has been really keen. He asked me over to his the next weekend and made a real effort. He'd obviously cleaned his flat from top to bottom, he took me walking on the beach, and paid for a very expensive night out for us. Contact between us has been pretty much daily since. I don't do endless texting back and forth (and thankfully neither does he) but there has been a short conversation once or twice a day. He expresses excitement about seeing me again, wants to know how I am etc.

Here's the dilemma. I thought it was just going to be a one night stand. It's all been a bit boozy so far and definitely casual. However our next plan to see eachother feels like more of a date. We have arranged to go out for a meal on a school night (I am paying - it's my turn) and for it to be drinks free due to work the next day. He has taken a mornings leave off work so that he can stay at mine and not have to leave super early (he works about an hour away.) This feels like it's edging away from FWB territory.

At the moment I can take it or leave it. But if we continue to go on these kinds of dates and to sleep together I will begin to get attached. I can't stay casual forever. How to bring this up with him? Or is it best not to at this stage?

Second issue: two female friends have warned me that he doesn't treat women well. This opinion seems to be based on him having apparently messed about another mutual friend. But according to him he only spent a night or two with this woman, at which point she became super keen. He didn't reciprocate her feelings and made the mistake of trying to extricate himself gently, instead of bluntly telling her he wasn't interested. She felt she was getting mixed signals and was hurt. As far as I'm concerned this isn't ideal behaviour, obviously, but hardly the crime of the century?

How to proceed? I don't want to get hurt myself and I'm still at the stage where I can walk away unscathed. However, I do quite like him. So...

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Techway · 26/09/2019 08:27

Your gut tells you he's unreliable.
Your experience tells you, unreliable.
Your friends say 'unreliable'.
What am I missing?

Spot on! I think it is because we want to feel dIfferent or special. I think the festival first night was indicative of his future behaviour but he is currently trying to win you over so in seductive mode.

Ex told me a previous one night stand became too keen, I was never able to meet her but now know he was likely to have treated her badly due to his lack of empathy. "Too keen" is just simplistic and puts the blame on the other person.

Go for it, IF you are pretty resilient and can handle any fallout from the social group.

ChippyPickledEggs · 26/09/2019 08:50

There won't be fall out from the social group. The women will be on my side if they feel he has treated me badly.

At the moment I'm in control. He could disappear today and I'd be happy to let him go. If that changes then obviously I'll need to reassess. But I'm going to go on the date on Monday, have fun, not initiate any 'where is this going' conversations, and see what he does.

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hellsbellsmelons · 26/09/2019 09:16

Good plan OP.
Stop over-analysing and enjoy it for now.

Pinkbonbon · 26/09/2019 12:19

Only issue is...these sorts often find a way to screw you over. You may think it's all under control because you don't like him tons but... what about the first time he does something unacceptable and you call him on it - and he then tells everyone you are needy or crazy.

Shitty people can't stand not having the upper hand. So be careful.

MargoLovebutter · 26/09/2019 12:25

Whilst the warnings from the other women is possibly helpful, the most useful things here are his behaviour towards you and your own gut.

Always notice how he behaves towards you, towards other people while you are out and listen really carefully to the stories he tells you about himself and other people.

See how he reacts when you say no to something or when you disagree with him.

Test him a bit - you've got nothing to lose because you are not massively invested.

75Renarde · 26/09/2019 13:08

Get out of this one OP, you're on a knife edge.

You have been warned by two people. You're luckier than most.

FinallyHere · 26/09/2019 13:20

At the moment I'm in control. He could disappear today and I'd be happy to let him go.

I would be happy with that. But as a stranger I can also see one potential scenario is that he will be fine until you need him.

Which would not be ideal.

Robin2323 · 26/09/2019 14:01

What @DonKeyshot said.

But seriously it's dating.
Getting to know someone.

You could get hurt.
You could hurt him.

There is no guarantees in this or in life.

Just enjoy it and keep your eyes and ears open.

IMO he does sound nice.
No love bombing.
You'll be fine.

gnostick22a · 26/09/2019 14:22

I am curious, while part of me wants to agree with all you said - makes life easier, why would you ever consider then involving feelings?

ChippyPickledEggs · 26/09/2019 15:10

Well it's more like eventually I will have no choice, Gnostick I can't sleep with/date someone indefinitely without developing some sort of attachment to them. I can slow myself down and keep my guard up, and at the moment it's fine because it's such early days, but I'm not made of stone.

What I want at the moment is to enjoy myself, which I am doing. But at some point - if he's not going to be reliable or committed - it will have to end. We're not there yet and my intention is to see what he does over the next month or two. If he messes me about, well I can walk away with no hard feelings. If this good boy act is an act, he won't be able to keep it up for long.

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sonjadog · 26/09/2019 15:54

I think he sounds like a normal guy and this is the normal start of a relationship. Don't overanalyze it, don't expect the worst, just meet up, get to know each other and see where it leads. Be open about what you want.

Robin2323 · 26/09/2019 16:46

It's as if you are expecting it to fail ....

It can't just be because of what those mutual friends said surely.

Have you seen women be messed about as you were growing up ?

Don't expect him to fail you because if the past.

Don't give your heart way recklessly either.

Relax
Have fun.

ChippyPickledEggs · 26/09/2019 17:01

Aye Robin that's a point for me to chew on.

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ChristmasFluff · 26/09/2019 20:03

At the moment it is such early days I'm not sure what the problem is - you have the warnings of a couple of friends, and your own mixed feelings. so you hold onto your heart, allow him to unfold, and if he goes 'cold' again, then that's the dump time.

Having the 'where is it going' chat at this point would seem mad, because you hardly know eachother, how can either of you know where it is going? You might go off him for some as-yet-unknown reason in a week or so, or he might decide you aren't for him. That;s what dating is about - it is a discovery phase.

He doesn't sound a long-term prospect to me because of the odd festival behaviour - but I'd give him one more chance in case he was having a crisis of confidence or something. He'll show his true colours soon enough if he's a bad 'un - if he cools again then run.

ChippyPickledEggs · 26/09/2019 20:33

Yeah those are basically my thoughts too, Christmas. First sign of coldness and I'm off. I'm not hanging around for hot and cold. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt re the festival and stay open to the possibility that he has become more keen as he's got to know me better. But I'm not letting him in yet.

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Euromillsplz · 27/09/2019 10:35

I personally don't see anything wrong in this so far- he sounds keen and I think you like him (more than maybe you're admitting to yourself) judging by your caution. Maybe..?

Yes, I'd be a bit put out at his behaviour at the festival- but maybe he actually really likes you and was trying to play it cool, or maybe he felt a bit self conscious in front of friends??

I mean, he might well just be a knob- but only one way to find out!

ChippyPickledEggs · 28/09/2019 09:28

Ok, so now what. We last spoke on Wednesday afternoon. As I said previously he was doing the vast majority of initiation of contact due to my waryness, although we certainly weren't in constant contact (I'm not keen on day long textathons.) He initiated our last short conversation on Wednesday and hasn't been in contact since (I haven't contacted him either.) We have a date on Monday.

Now. I have absolutely no problem with not being in contact for a couple of days with someone I've only just begun seeing. Normally wouldn't think much of it. But because of what I've heard about him in particular, I'm wondering if this is him going cool again. Or perhaps he thinks it's my turn to initiate?

What to do? I'm tempted to leave it. If he wants this date on Monday then presumably at some point over the next couple of days he'll be in contact to confirm. Or I could message him something light asking him how his weekend is, but then I'll never know if he would have made the effort.

Argh. I appreciate female friends warning me but it's turned this into a load of headwork. I'm reading things into behaviour that I ordinarily wouldn't be.

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sofato5miles · 28/09/2019 09:33

Don't contact him. See if he contacts you. He needed to be put to the test anyway

crappyday2018 · 28/09/2019 09:47

God I hate the minefield of "should I message first", "what does this mean?" etc etc. Usually my advice is to just go ahead and message him instead of messing about. However, you are clearly looking for signs here. If you hadn't been warned off him, would you even be questioning it?
It really all boils down to how much you like him. If you are genuinely quite keen to see him again then I would send a very light message. If you aren't bothered either way and worried about what you've been told, I would leave it and see if he gets in touch.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 28/09/2019 09:51

I would leave it. This type of man gets off on women messaging first Thinks he's cock of the walk then. Let him be first. No messages over the weekend confirming date? Assume the date is off.

Porpoises · 28/09/2019 09:57

Can you get more information or if the female friends? Enough to figure out whether he is twisting the truth or not?

Seems quite game-playing to blame him for not initiating contact if you haven't done so either.

plantingandpotting · 28/09/2019 10:08

FWIW, none of the above sets any alarm bells for me. He sounds like a decent man, who is getting to know you better at a reasonable pace without any too-soon/OTT proclamations or gestures.

Why do you need to wait for a message and know that he'd make the effort, when he initiated the last contact anyway? Maybe he just has nothing to say/has been busy?

I'm sure you know that counting the days between messages and keeping tabs on who messaged first is already game playing territory.

If this level of contact is making you feel anxious, it may be best to end things before they have a chance to progress.

My DH was very like this in the beginning and I had a tendency to overthink and read into the gaps between contact. I now know him to be a genuinely wonderful and thoughtful man, who just doesn't text unless there's something to actually say.

ChippyPickledEggs · 28/09/2019 10:11

I know Porpoises. I haven't initiated contact and it is definitely "my turn" to do so. Perhaps he's feeling unsure too. Who knows.

I could ask a female friend for more details but she specifically said that she didn't want to go into too much detail out of loyalty to him. The line seems to be, "we love T, he's our friend, he's really good fun and a nice guy, BUT, he really hurt a friend of ours and you need to know he can treat women badly." I don't want to put her in a position she feels is difficult.

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ChippyPickledEggs · 28/09/2019 10:49

Ok, I bit the bullet and sent a message saying I hoped his weekend was turning out lovely. He replied straight away saying he couldn't wait to see me. So Monday's on. We'll see how it goes.

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plantingandpotting · 28/09/2019 11:06

Hurray! Great news - his reply says it all 😊 Aren't you glad you didn't waste a weekend checking your phone!

Happy for you @chippypickledeggs. Early days dating is so exciting.

Have a lovely relaxing weekend now 💆🏻‍♀️