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Help for a friend with an ar$e of an h please!!

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essbee · 22/09/2004 21:26

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mummytosteven · 22/09/2004 21:33

hello there again essbee's friend. we have spoken briefly on MSN once. why does your h object to you going to relate? I can only imagine that he doesn't want anyone else hearing how he is treating you/that he wants to isolate you so that you think the way he is treating you is right. your h sounds incredibly possessive if he would go to this amount of trouble just to stop you going to relate and to control your movements. this is not normal behaviour by your h. it sounds to me like you are in a deteriorating situation, and would say that you should get out before it gets any worse. if nothing else, please make sure you have an emergency bag packed so that if you do need to escape in a hurry, you have the very basic essentials for you and your children to hand. i know it must be very tough for you atm, and that depression makes each mountain so much harder to climb. but there is help out there - i know that everyone dreams of a happy marriage, great home etc, and that noone ever thinks they will end up in your position, but i would urge you to contact woman's aid/your local refuge and make plans to get out.

take care

sobernow · 22/09/2004 21:41

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coppertop · 22/09/2004 22:24

Hi Essbee's friend!

Your husband sounds more than a bit scary to me. The stalking itself was bad enough but taking time off work to make sure you don't go to Relate is frightening.

Pleeeeease listen to Essbee. We'll be here too to help you in any way we can.

Chinchilla · 22/09/2004 22:28

Essbee has been through it, so she knows what she is talking about. It must have taken some major guts for her to do it, and I don't blame you for being scared to take action. Poor you. No advice, as I have no experience.

wobblyknicks · 23/09/2004 13:20

Hi essbee's friend. Hope you feel you can come on here for a bit of support, will all give you as much help as we can. You don't deserve to be treated in the way that your h is treating you and you can definitely manage alone - you don't need him in your life.

fiorocious · 23/09/2004 13:56

Why on earth would you put up with someone who doesn't treat you well? I can understand why you would want to live in a large house but I'm aghast that you have chosen to do so above your own happiness. Even I (and I do like the finer things life has to offer) would not put up with violent behaviour and my husband stalking me. If he has the money to buy such a house then he has the money to maintain you elsewhere.

Twinkie · 23/09/2004 14:11

fio - because it is hard to see the light and to get out - look how long and how many posts it took SB to realise that she was worth more and that he had no right to do this and even now it is hard for her - its not at all cut and dried and I am sure the fact that the house is big has nothing to do with it.

Sbs friend SB will be able to tell you exactley how it is and just how hard it is and I am sure that even now she sometimes thinks life would have been easier to just let him get away with treating her like he did but he had no right to and no right to hurt the mother of his children like that, no right to mentally torture and undermine her and chip away at her very being until she was so weak and tired and self doubting. These men are all the same - bullying idiots who think that the only way to maintain a relationship is by being nasty and having a woman under their control - after it happening to me I can tell you otherwise - a true relationship is one where both parties respect and love each other, where they would not dream of hurting each other with an unkind word let alone an act of violence, it is one where your partner values you, compliments you, makes you feel good about yourself because they like to see you glow intheir praise, it is one where they are proud of you, where they recognise your acheivements and encourage you to achieve more - to make you a better person and to help you believe in yourself. You will one day find this in another relationship - when you do it is hadr to accept - hard to not jump when the other peson raises their voice - hard to not feel like you ahve dissappointed them if they are not the life and soul of the party all of the time but over time you eventually realise that your partner too has their off days and unlike the arseholes they don;t say it is because of you.
It is a long hard slog, you will sometimes feel like giving up, you will be scared and doubt yourself and think you are doing wrong - you will also think that maybe you should stay for your children - don;t - YOU DESERVE BETTER, YOUR CHILDREN DESERVE BETTER and he has no right to do this to you.

Please please get help even if it merans an injunction - I will help as much as I can but I think maybe it would be good for you and SB to comfort each other plus I am hugely pregnant - after stuff like what you and SB have gone through I have got out - fought for my daughter adn am still fighting for a finacial settlement but I am happy, loved and treated as I should be at last.

Good Luck and hopefully things will work out for you.

Papillon · 23/09/2004 14:21

Hello
You sound trapped in a situation that is making you lonely and alone whether you live with your h or not.

Life can seem to be bad everywhere but it will stay that way if you do not move or change from the place that you are in right now. There are many opportunites for you to touch life and MN is one of them. Then with time you will have the opportunity to be a much happier person. Do you envision a happy future with your h. Waiting until he goes back to work would be safest but try and feel some conviction and selfworth for yourself and your kids and get away. It will be more than hard but so many people can tell you here it gets better. Even if you can post here you are talking to other people who can really help.

take care and all the very best.

fiorocious · 23/09/2004 14:52

Sorry, I do recognise that I am not qualified to offer real advice on this. I have to say that I am not sure how cut and dried it would be if my h laid a finger on me. I suppose we never really know how we would be and I hope not many are ever in that situation.

fiorocious · 23/09/2004 14:53

I am feeling very lucky indeed actually reading this. I love my husband.

survivour · 23/09/2004 14:54

I will come back to this and read it properly later.....

survivour · 23/09/2004 15:06

Hubby just left to pick up the kids from school, telling me: there are more important things in life than sitting on the pc allday, like picking up the kids from school........ my eldest is now 10 years old..... and I can count the times his father has picked him up from school on my fingers!!!!!!

fiorocious · 23/09/2004 15:08

Are you the friend?

Twinkie · 23/09/2004 15:16

Yes like treating others with love and respect for a start - tell him that the arse!!

survivour · 23/09/2004 15:16

yep

Twinkie · 23/09/2004 15:17

Honey he shouldn't be able to get away with doing this to you - you are worth more than this and your children deserve a happy mother who isn't afraid!!

survivour · 23/09/2004 15:21

Hi twinkie, have tried coming off AD's just so I could have a clear head to think about this, and it did not work, the depression kicked in again, I will beat this one way or another, just at the moment, I feel useless.

Twinkie · 23/09/2004 15:24

No that is too much at the moment and you will probably just need to go back on them it isbest that you don;t for now - stay on them and go and see yuor doctor and see if he can give you details of a counsellor or someone to help you through this = Mumsnet is just as good though.

It is terribly hard and even now I am sure you are aware that Essbee does crumble sometimes but like me she realises that she was wasting her life with an abusive man - and he doesn't really love you if he did he wouldn't treat you like this.

Where do you live, do you have someone you could go and stay with if you made the decision to leave??

anorak · 23/09/2004 15:51

Survivour, this is no life for you or your children. Unless your think your dh is going to miraculously change into a fair and reasonable husband, it will come to an end sometime. When that happens, it will be hard. But you will begin that journey that leads to a happier life.

Why wait a few more years to start that inevitable journey? Why put it off and waste some more of your life being miserable and unfulfilled? Why not start that journey today, the sooner to reach the end of it?

What would you say to someone else who was living your life? What kind of childhood is this for your children? Even if he treats them well, he is setting them an example which they will emulate later in life. And sadly, so are you. Not by anything bad on your part, but because you are not saying no to this life. You are sending them the message that an abused woman should go on taking it.

Please get out, as soon as humanly possible. He cannot stay home and watch you 24 hours a day. Make a plan and make your break when you can safely do so. Go a long way away where he cannot find you and start again.

fio2 · 23/09/2004 15:55

survivor, have you told your family of this? and are they supportive? i can how difficult this situation must be for you

Papillon · 24/09/2004 12:00

just want to bump this up cos I am thinking of you lots

survivour · 25/09/2004 10:04

Hi everyone, he has gone out to work, so I have made time to log-on. We have been married for over 12 years, but lived separate lives, if that makes sense.He does have his good points, but over the years I have just grown apart from him. I have diabetes and am on 4 injections aday, my youngest child has had open heart surgery and has had problems since he was born (27.07.02). So I'm not without fault either......I seem to find fault with everything. I moan about the sillest things, but I know I'm doing these things. My arguement is when he does something wrong in my eyes, he tries to blame others. If I make a comment he comes out with= so who have you spoken to then, they are not your ideas/words?? I was beaten as a child at home, we are from a family of 7 so lots of stress, but I think I have moved on from there. I'm not close to my parents, but I talk to them. So broken bridges can be mended. Hubby and me have lived apart for 2 years, (yes he did the stalking bit too), he promises things will change, some things have, but will he stick to it??? Will I wake up one morning and think what have I done. Yes I would tell someone else in the same situation to get out and keep walking, I'm finding that hard as I'm the one in the middle of this situation. I am going to try and salvage what I can........ if this marriage can't be salvaged, then yes I'm going to put on my walking boots..... And yes I think I need your support on here.... And thanks to SB....

MTS · 25/09/2004 11:50

Hi Survivour, glad to see you have the chance to come on the computer. I just don't know though what there is to salvage if he is controlling your movements/contacts with the outside world so much. I just don't see how things will ever improve if he won't let your have your own "voice", and won't accept you challeninging him/having different opinions to him. Never think for one moment that you aren't entitled to moan or be unreasonable in a relationship - noone is perfect, noone should be expected to be perfect.

Whatever you decide to do, please keep posting, and keep up any contact with the outside world that you can. I hope that your parents can help you, and realise now that the way they treated you wasn't acceptable.

Papillon · 25/09/2004 13:38

It must have been a very hard time for both of you when your ds had to have surgery. How were things before then? or have you lived separate lives for longer.

My dad talks down to my mother and uses her as a scape goat also. I do not like him doing it and I have held him accountable for his words many times. Mum has learnt to stand up for herself more, pity so late in her life but her mother was the last of 11 and a martyr. Last wish in an envelopes she had both her daughters keep she wanted no funeral. well we had one in her church and people had to stand. Bless her soul.

He is sometimes like us all though. Prisoner to our doubt and fear in its many forms. Your h is not a well man if he keeps* you like this.

I do think though while some things have changed some things have not and he took a week off work to totally control you actions. While you say you complain that does not mean that you should be held captive or have a bad life. You are aware of your actions - do you want to moan.. or is this because you aren´t enjoying yourself much at the moment. I say the mometn because I think you believe you could have a better life.

essbee · 28/09/2004 21:59

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