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Am I a British subject? ETA/visa form.

28 replies

IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 13:10

I am filling in a form for a visa (ETA) to travel to New Zealand. My passport says British Citizen - I was born in England and have always lived here. But on the ETA there is no option for 'British Citizen'.

The options are:

British National (overseas)
British Overseas citizen
British Overseas Territories citizen
British Protected Person
British subject

I've googled to see if 'subject' and 'citizen' means the same thing but am more confused than ever.

Which option should I choose?

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surreysnapper · 03/09/2019 13:27

I'd opt for British subject

IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 13:28

I thought that, thank you.

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Dividenrule · 03/09/2019 13:37

Be careful! A ‘british subject’ is very different to a ‘British citizen’ and if you put that down you are likely to find your application is delayed.

www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-subject

Have another look at the form or call the NZ Embassy because I suspect there will be a ‘ British citizen’ option somewhere.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2019 13:42

What divideandrule wrote here.

(This should be in long haul rather than relationships.)

Are you actually using the official government site rather than a scam one? There are already several scam sites out there charging more than necessary for such applications.

IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 14:13

Thanks all, appreciate it.

I will double-check the site I am using.

I emailed our travel agent and she said 'british subject'. In my opinion it is the MOST suitable option but as I would prefer to 'citizen' but it does not have that option except for overseas.

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AlunWynsKnee · 03/09/2019 14:16

I think older passports do say 'British Subject' but there was a decision to reword to citizen because subject sounds a bit feudal.

milveycrohn · 03/09/2019 14:19

I think we are British Subjects, because we have a crown (Queen). Otherwise, you are a citizen.
You should tick the option of British 'subject', if there is no other option

HarrietOh · 03/09/2019 14:26

Check there’s nothing under United Kingdom.

PsychoSyd · 03/09/2019 14:29

British subject and British citizen are two very different things. British subject cane about when the Republic of Ireland was part of the U.K. People who hold British Subject nationality usually also hold Irish nationality.

If you are a British subject, you will need a visa or some other kind of residency to live in the U.K.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2019 14:30

I would also check with the NZ embassy or consulate, this is what the Foreign office advise if a person is at all unsure of visa requirements.

Again only use the official New Zealand government based site and no other.

PatriciaHolm · 03/09/2019 14:38

Are you sure you are using the right form?

www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/nzeta

This form doesn't ask for that.

IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 14:45

I am really confused!

I am using this site:

www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/nzeta

Is that right?

The form says select your nationality as shown on the passport you will be travelling on

Well the passport says 'British Citizen'

Harriet Good idea, it does say United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland on the drop down list - but this is the answer I need to give to the next question which is select the issuing country as shown on your passport.

It seems wrong to put United Kingdom of GB and NI instead of British subject when it asks for nationality as shown on PP when it says British Citizen but British subject seems wrong!

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IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 14:48

Patricia Holm it DOES ask this question, it's the very first one.

Select your nationality as shown on the passport you are travelling on and then the options as listed in my first post come up.

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7salmonswimming · 03/09/2019 14:51

Haven’t RTFT: are you using the right form? If you’re a British citizen, that’s what you should tick. If that’s not an option, 100-1 you’re using the wrong form.

xyzandabc · 03/09/2019 14:54

Answer both questions with the same answer. Both should be United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's just the way they've worded the form. As it covers many nationalities and countries, they can't cover every which way your nationality or country may be worded on the front cover or the photo page or even the back cover or elsewhere in the passport of every nation.
You will be fine with United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland for both nationality and country of issue (Assuming it wasn't issued abroad!)

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2019 14:54

I have had a look at the official site, the first and second question have the same answer I.e the United Kingdom of Great Britain and noeprthern Ireland.

xyzandabc · 03/09/2019 14:56

@PatriciaHolm as OP says, I've just looked at the form and nationally is the 1st question.

MrMeaner · 03/09/2019 14:57

Just keep scrolling down on the first question till you get to United Kingdom
Ignore British

RainOrSun · 03/09/2019 14:59

Agree with the recent posters - United Kingdom & Republic of NI to both answers is a much better answer than any of the British options.

IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 14:59

7salmonswimming How do you know that? As far as I know I am using the right form but obviously want to know the right one if I am wrong...IYSWIM!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2019 14:59

the Americans do the same with their esta application and it does catch people out like you have been re the British subject.

And what Xyzabdabc wrote

RainOrSun · 03/09/2019 15:00

Oops, obviously not republic of in my previous message Blush

IceColdLemonade · 03/09/2019 15:01

I think it's just misleading it's asking to cite is nationality as shown on the passport because that implies the same wording and the same wording doesn't appear on the options.

I think I am going to go with the UK of GB and NI. That's more accurate than the 'british' choices.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2019 15:01

Ignore any reference to British subject

You are using the nz official site in your post of 14-45

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2019 15:02

Ice

Indeed Use that for the first two questions