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Narcissist mask has slipped, he scared me. Help me end things with minimal fallout

75 replies

Wonderrland · 31/08/2019 11:07

I've just got back from a trip away with a new-ish boyfriend and things turned nasty after we had a few glasses of fizz, for some ridiculous reason he thought it was acceptable to bring up out of the blue a non event from weeks ago (me being polite instead of rude to a random person who had spoken to me whilst out, in front of him I might add)

Nothing untoward or flirtatious whatsoever.

He launched into a tirade for over an hour about how I was 'engaging' him and was clearly giving out the wrong impression, he kept saying he felt disrespected and he swore at me. This continued on and on until I became tearful and quite frankly scared, I recorded what I could of the conversation and sent it to a relative along with the details of where we was staying and said if they hadn't heard from me by noon the next day then to come there or inform the police because I didn't know how much it would escalate. I still don't know whether I was over reacting by doing that but my gut tells me I wasn't. He was sat glaring at me and I genuinely believe he would have assaulted me the way it was going. The relative I sent all of this to said they were scared he was going to harm me based on how he was going off and the things he was saying.

I was continuously trying to diffuse the situation to no avail so I could go to sleep and leave first thing the next morning. He was full on bullying me by this point. I asked him to stop several times and was crying.

Eventually he stopped but only once I told him yes I must have been in the wrong and that he was right so I apologised and asked him to stop once more.

I don't for one second accept that but I was very anxious.

He then left the room and went on the balcony and began to cry, clearly because he realised he'd fucked it for himself. I ignored his histrionics and pretended to be sleeping, i then left first thing the next morning and was out the door by the time he was getting out of bed.

Wtf was that about? We've been seeing one another three months and it was like a mask had slipped and he's shown me a while other side to himself, and it's awful.

I've been on edge since I got home not knowing what to expect from him next, I've had some grovelling messages which I've ignored but I'm yet to block because I don't know how he'll react if I do. I know enough to know that the risk is heightened when you go NC. I can't call the police yet because other than an argument he hasn't done anything.

This is more than just a drunken tiff isn't it, he's psycho Sad

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Redland12 · 31/08/2019 12:14

I don’t think it’s a good idea to meet him either. If it was me, and I’m saying me, if he got in contact I would tell him I recorded that horrendous rant and sent it to a family member and if he contacts me again I will I will take it to the police. That must of been absolutely awful for you, I too have been there. Do not go back to him you deserve better. 🌺

Frizzbeol · 31/08/2019 12:14

I often daydream of doing exactly what previous posters have advised the first time my ex kicked off. Instead I let him do it to me time and time again. How I wish I had just told him to get lost the first time. No engagement - straightforward it's over, no more contact, no concessions. Its the only way.

balonzz · 31/08/2019 12:18

You must have been terrified OP. Well done for having the presence of mind to record some of what went on.

lorettalemon · 31/08/2019 12:19

It's not that uncommon to have that 3 month mask slipping experience (and often people play up on holiday - I had that recently with a friend) because they think they've got you stuck somewhere and can test the boundaries.

You don't owe him anything. I think it's best to say "after the way you behaved last night I have no wish to see you again, do not contact me further"

Tableclothing · 31/08/2019 12:23

Send him one message in which you make it clear that you want no further contact from him at all.

If he contacts you again after that, do not reply, but contact the police.

(Sending the one message where you tell him to leave you alone completely and forever helps the police prove that any further contact from him is unwanted - this is also why you shouldn't reply to any further messages from him)

Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 12:25

I thought my screening process was topknot
I know this is going to sound far-fetched...imo it's possible that you had unconsciously detected but there was something off about him and it was your unconscious mind that triggered him so that you could see his true colours.
please don't get me wrong I am not saying that you brought this on yourself I'm totally NOT saying that, just that the unconscious mind works in ways that aren't directly accessible to the conscious mind.
You are continually honing your ability to spot people who are predatory, have confidence in your ability to better protect yourself 😊

Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 12:28

I agree it's significant that this happened on holiday, he thought he could escape the consequences of attacking you by using some kind of 'what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas' clause, that he could frame this as a situation where normal rules don't apply

Wonderrland · 31/08/2019 12:30

I've drafted this to send him,

After the way you behaved last night I don't want to be in your life anymore, you were aggressive and paranoid and destroyed any chance of us being able to have a relationship. Please don't contact me again, I want to be left alone.

Is that provocative IYO or does it round ok?

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Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 12:32

Wonderr that's just too wordy, you're flattering him with all those words, and you're inviting him to negotiate with you you over your reasons etc.
Your tone is too conciliatory too placating, you are being submissive.

Wonderrland · 31/08/2019 12:35

During his rant I told him I knew what he was doing and that I've seen it all before so to just stop because I don't want to go there with him.

Me saying that made him even more aggressive, so yes I absolutely think my subconscious knowledge of his type triggered him. He didn't like being told he was being a bully/abusive and raged that my "bullshit trauma" aka past abuse is nothing to do with him.

Er yes it is mate because you're doing exactly that.

We was having a lovely time until he got tipsy and brought up something I barely remembered that was of no importance whatsoever.

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ConorMcGregorsChin · 31/08/2019 12:35

He sounds very like an ex of mine.
Was also around the 3 month period when similar happened to me.
Looking back, he was a fucking fruit loop and a control freak. But it was cloaked in concern and admiration for me.
Boolocks that. He was unhinged.
Similarly, he got upset too. Crying. Knowing he'dtotally fucked it.
And kept saying over and over "Oh Michael, Michael, Michael you've done it again"
That pretty much told me all I needed to know.
I blocked him and have never seen him since.
Thankfully he never contacted me. Although I was shitting my pants for a long time about him turning up at my house. I had a few people close to me on standby just in case.
So block and hopefully rest easy. But do the same. Have a few people close by that you can call if possible.

Oh and that's his real name by the way.

Wonderrland · 31/08/2019 12:36

You're right I will be firm and clear, we are over so do not contact me again.

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Genderfree · 31/08/2019 12:36

I’d take the Please out. Send it and block him.

Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 12:36

you might think that 'please don't contact me again I want to be left alone'
is the same as 'leave me alone, don't contact me again'
However they send very different messages, the first is a request for him to respect your feelings and your wishes, he has already shown you that he doesn't, and here you are being submissive and putting yourself at his mercy.

Bouffalant · 31/08/2019 12:37

He sounds scary.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 31/08/2019 12:37

I think it's too long.

I would say.

I don't want to see you again. Do not contact me and do not come to my home or place of work etc. If you do, the police will be called.

I would also call the non emergency police number and report what happened on the basis this is now noted and you can rfwrr to that if you do need to contact them in future to have him removed

MollyButton · 31/08/2019 12:37

I wouldn't explain to be honest - just a simple: "Sorry but I don't want to be in a relationship with you anymore. Please don't contact me."

Don't give him anything to twist. And he doesn't deserve any explanations.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 31/08/2019 12:39

Do not use the word please or sorry in any communication. Try not to use "I" or me.

In fact, I would redraft my last message to say "Our relationship is now over. Do not contact me and do not come to my home or place of work etc. If you do, the police will be called"

Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 12:40

Our relationship is now over. Do not contact me and do not come to my home or place of work etc. If you do, the police will be called
I would use this

31RueCambon75001 · 31/08/2019 12:40

First of all. stop recording messages. Stop feeling relief you have recorded messages.

There is no court case going on here. You need nobody's approval to end things.

I hope you understand this.

Just keep repeating "this is over now"
And whatever obfuscation he throws at you say "that may be but this is over now".

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 31/08/2019 12:52

Don't worry about your screening process, these guys are clever.

And I agree, if you hadn't reacted the way you did - ie having clear boundaries and immediately recognising the situation for what it was - it wouldn't have been so 'bad' (if that makes sense). He would have just pushed a little bit, you would have accepted it, then he would have pushed again another time. It escalated because you pushed back and showed him he didn't have control - enraging to a narc.

In other words, this was his first attempt and you foiled it. Which might help to reframe things in your head a bit - you did good, although it didn't feel good to do it.

Inebriati · 31/08/2019 12:52

Services such as Paladin say you should record everything and keep an incident diary, so for your own safety carry on doing that and hope you never need to use it as evidence.

AtrociousCircumstance · 31/08/2019 12:55

Record all the messages you like OP, if it helps you feel safe. Hopefully there will be no need to.

Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 12:59

It escalated because you pushed back and showed him he didn't have control
I also think this is what happened, something in you had spotted him and you did this to draw him out, even though you weren't consciously aware in the moment of the processes your unconscious mind had your back to an extent
It's when we synergize our gut instincts with our conscious learning and knowledge that we are strongest

Whosorrynow · 31/08/2019 13:03

Building on what LonnyVonny said, I think that the modus operandi of this man is a longer more subtle game and you foiled it by calling him out on his first attempt
the crying on the balcony was a kind of emergency plan b he came up with to try and get back in control of the situation.