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How to deal with DHs drinking ?

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MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 04:55

I just need a different perspective on this and can't talk about it in RL.

My DH is a lovely man. We've been married for many years (almost 20), have two DCs aged 11 and 14. Not perfect, but generally happy.

But he binge drinks.

He goes out around twice a week and comes back behaving like an arse. He is loud and argumentative and I hate him being like that around the children.

He has always done this, and when he was younger it was far worse. It's one aspect of UK culture that I hate. It's in my view ridiculous for a 50 year old man to be staggering about like a 20 year old in magaluf.

The backstory is that two years ago he got far drunker than I've ever seen and ended up almost injuring my arm. The children were well aware of there being an incident but as it was done by him closing my arm in something (forcefully) I told them it was an accident, which was sort of truem. He didn't realise my arm was there , but he was having a strop and forced the door shut and then didn't release it when he should because he was so drunk. My arm was so bruised it took over a month to look ok. I considered leaving him then but he was remorseful and gave up drinking so I stayed. Hmm

Even reading that back makes me feel a fuckwit.

He started off as not drinking at all (and being very judgemental about everyone else drinking in the process which was bloody annoying), then drank moderately which was far better all round. But in the last 6 months or so, he's back to his old ways.

Last night was a good example. Myself and the youngest DC stayed up to watch a film. DH comes in clearly drunk and talking loudly. I had ordered him a take away which he starts moaning about, but in a 'jokey' way. My hackles rise at his behaviour in front of our 11 year old who is by now rolling his eyes and making drinking gestures to me about his dad.

DC was going to bed anyway, so I used that as an excuse to decamp upstairs. I am shite at hiding my feelings , so by now DH knows I'm not impressed. I take DS up to the bathroom to brush teeth and DH follows us up as he's now becoming argumentative. This is by far the biggest issue when he's drunk. I lock the bathroom door and he's then shouting through the door to DS saying mummy is the one with the drink problem . She's scared of ending up like her dad who is an alcoholic. Angry

I remain calm as I've learnt that diffuses things far quicker. DS didn't really hear it all so we laughed it off with 'silly daddy' type comments. DS and I go to sleep in mine and DHs room and DH is in the spare room (he snores when drunk just to add to the delight).

The next bit is where I need different views:

Re: my dad. Yes hes a full blown alcoholic which I have only recently discovered. I have virtually NC for many years and the children don't know him.

I am not a big drinker at all, but never have been. I grew up with parents with drink issues and just don't like being around drunk people much. That said, I'm not tee-total. I've never consciously worried about being an alcoholic just because my parents have issues (both were heavy drinkers when I was young, but I wouldn't describe them as alcoholics at that time.) But I am cautious and moreso with age.

I want to know if you think I'm right to be so intolerant of DHs drinking ? I don't feel its anything to do with my dad as DH claims Hmm. For me, its because he badly hurt me once purely because he was so out of control and I feel let down that's he's drinking again. I could have left him for what he did two years ago , but now I feel as though I was a fool not too. When the children were younger it wasn't so bad as they would have been asleep when he got back bit that's not the case now and I hate them witnessing this. But given I've only found out about the extent of my dads problems in the two years since the arm incident, I'm just worried its colouring my view.

The bottom line for me is I don't want my children seeing their father drunk. Mostly because he's not a 'nice' drunk. It's become a viscous circle of him being drunk, me getting wound up by it and not playing along with him ( I don't say anything but my face probably says it all ), he then becomes very defensive and argumentative and I have to try and diffuse it all by the grey rock method mostly.

But this 'defence' he comes up with about my dad being an alcohol does make me question myself. Maybe I am now more uptight about drinking because of that.

Is it ever ok for parents to be drunk in front of their children on a regular basis ? Amni being uptight and if I just laughed at off it would be better ?

Sorry this is so long Shock

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Porpoises · 31/08/2019 08:25

I'm sorry, this sounds so shit. Especially that you had hope that it would stop and now he's slid back to the same behaviour.

He's already used up his second chance.

This really stood out to me "our 11 year old who is by now rolling his eyes and making drinking gestures to me about his dad". This isn't a normal part of childhood. Seeing parents drunk and in good spirits on a rare, happy occasion, fine. But being so used to thoughtless or aggressive drunken behaviour that you just roll your eyes... Sad. I'm sorry it was a part of your childhood, I hope you can make steps to protect your children from it.

HundredMilesAnHour · 31/08/2019 08:28

I think one effect from having grown up in a house where alcohol was an issue is I don't honestly know what's normal. For me , people being drunk was normal.

You've hit the nail on the head OP. You are incredibly tolerant of his drinking and this is why. Do you want your children to repeat this pattern? I'm sure you don't.

Your DH's behaviour is appalling. And blaming your 'sensitivity' on your background is out of order and utter bullshit. Neither of my parents drank (my DM had a glass of Babycham maybe once a year!) but I wouldn't tolerate this behaviour from a partner. I would never have married or had children with this man. But it seems this was the norm for you growing up and you've gone on to repeat the pattern and that's very sad.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/08/2019 08:29

Meg

All his "friends" are like him really; these types really do tend to stick together (also because no-one else would put up with them in company).

How many people in your own real life social circle know about his drink problem, very few I suspect though one or two perhaps have their own private based suspicions about him. Alcoholism thrives on secrecy, do not keep this a secret any longer

I would urge you again to go to Al-anon and to seek legal advice re separation and divorce.

You are - and remain - vulnerable here to him. And so are your children.

MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 08:30

When I say long game, I mean 6-12 months.

I spoke to al-anon about my dad a while ago but didn't find it helpful. I might try again once my heads in the right place. I will speak to him this morning, but it will be an ultimatum. I know he wont change , but I don't want him saying he wasn't warned. He'll ignore me at his peril.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/08/2019 08:40

Meg

There is never a good time to leave but you really cannot afford another 6-12 months of this (and Christmas too is within that timeframe also, yet another occasion/excuse for your H to get drunk).

No-one sadly thought it necessary to protect you from your childhood drunkard parents but this is now, you are a parent and you are not a drunk yourself. Codependent most certainly, but not a binge drinker or drunkard. You can make good and better choices here.

You have a choice re this man - your children do not.

An ultimatum can only be issued one time; if you are not prepared to follow it through then there is NO point in issuing same. You know already he won't change and he knows you are not at all serious about him ignoring you at his peril because you have stayed to date. Your internal vulnerability belies your no fools exterior.

Do consider giving Al-anon another try; perhaps speaking to someone else there would be more helpful for you. At the very least read their literature.

Comps83 · 31/08/2019 08:43

Christ I could have written your post!
DH drinks far too much and when I challenge him he tells me it’s because I have ‘mummy issues’ and he doesn’t have a problem
I’m also NC with my alcoholic mother and have also wondered if I overreact due to this (although really I know I don’t as he does have a problem)
No advice sorry as I’m in the same boat

Oysterbabe · 31/08/2019 08:52

He's an alcoholic and he either needs to seek help to address it or leave. Don't tolerate it OP, you and your children deserve better.

Fretfulparent · 31/08/2019 08:53

we have lots of financial issues to sort out

How is his binge drinking going to solve this? Is there is a plan?

My overall impression from your posts is that he does not care about you or the children.

MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 08:59

Well, that went well. Wink

I told him what I thought. He as predicted minimised it and tried to detract by blaming other people.

He said its normal. I said his friendship group was not normal.

He said it was me. I'm uptight and difficult to be around and it's to do with my dad. I asked for two examples of my difficult behaviour and he stumbled and said it was my dad. I said no it's not my dad, its him.

He said it's because hes going back to work on Monday and I'm not and he would love to have years off etc. He wants me to get a job. Its time I contributed etc. I pointed out that I'd been out of work for 4 years (worked before that)to deal with our child's issues but also because that's what he very much wanted. We don't have family nearby and the strain of us both working was a nightmare on top of other issues. Its worth saying that we manage on one salary, albeit with some restrictions.

Basically he tried to blame everyone and everything.

He even told me he'd had enough of me and I had no idea how difficult it was for him. Confused So I said that fine, let's get ourselves to the solicitors next week to separate. And to be honest I liked the idea.

I finished off by saying how dare he use my dad to manipulate our child into believing I have an issue with drink.

It went on.

I finished with a Jeremey Kyle inspired line 'stop blaming others. Own your shit or piss off.' The effect of which was enhanced by the bedroom window being open so no doubt the neighbour's heard it all. Blush

Oh well.

First stage is to get myself a job. Once that's done I'll reassess and sort our money out.

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Fretfulparent · 31/08/2019 08:59

www.nacoa.org.uk/

This website may be more helpful for you regarding your fathers drinking

Clayplease · 31/08/2019 09:06

Really glad you confronted him- well done! He needs to know he has gone back on his word and that's not ok. I would not be putting up with this, you are completely right to say it's not acceptable. Trust your gut feeling. I like the idea of videoing him and playing back to him too.

MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 09:07

@AtillatheMeerkat. As much as you may think you're being helpful , I find some of your comments out of line and unhelpful. You seemed to have jumped to a lot of conclusions based on little information. His drinking was not an issue for the last 18-20 months. Its started to escalate so I'm dealing with it. And he will ignore me at his peril and I think I'm best placed to judge how long I need to leave and what actions to take. You don't know the in's and outs and as I said I didn't find Al anon helpful before, so.........

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MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 09:08

Thank you, but I don't need advice about my dads drinking. He has no bearing on me which probably sounds a bit weird if you have a nice dad but there it is.

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MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 09:09

Yes, the videoing is good. I'm going to start documenting everything. Sadly I think I will be needing it.

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Fretfulparent · 31/08/2019 09:36

Whilst the website I linked to above may not be useful for you it may help your children.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/08/2019 09:39

Meg

I have a nice dad too but he still binge drank to excess.

It may well be that for the last 18-20 months (that is nearly two years all told too) you have become far more aware of his drinking to excess and the effects of same. You grew up after all seeing parents who drank to excess and this became your normal. His attempts at bringing your alcoholic parents into this is to my mind a deliberate and cynical move on his part to deflect his effects of his drinking on your household.

I am not suggesting that you are not yourself best placed to deal with your H but you getting a job in the very short term is not the absolute number 1 priority here. It is important yes but do not make that your sole focus.

Please be very careful about videoing him; that could too easily backfire on you in that he could become violent. Certainly do not show him any footage.

Will you be going to the Solicitors next week?. That should also be a priority as well as you getting a job (which he will probably try and sabotage all attempts at getting as well). You have already more than contributed too; you have given time to your children of which ones has additional needs.

crappyday2018 · 31/08/2019 09:42

OP I think you are burying your head in the sand a bit here. I agree with Atilla on her posts. You say 'he will ignore me at his peril' but he has already ignored your previous demands to stop drinking. He's made the effort for a while but has slipped straight back into his drinking with absolutely no apology or responsibility for it. In fact, he can't even see he is doing anything wrong.
I do hope he does listen to you but sadly I doubt he will. I would look to end this marriage ASAP if he doesn't.

Liiibbb · 31/08/2019 09:57

You sound like you’re on it OP. The latest conversation you had - he sounds bolshy and ungrateful. Coping with a partner in that state twice a week would do my head in. Glad you’ve got a plan, sounds good.

Zofloramummy · 31/08/2019 09:59

I wish you luck Meg, I would seriously take him up on his suggestion of the solicitors next week. He will (if pushed) probably sacrifice his marriage and his relationship with his kids to save his true love - alcohol.

No one can stop an alcoholic/dependant/heavy (whatever you want to label it) drinker from drinking until they want to change. By that point many of them have lost families, jobs, and friends.

Do what you need to do to look after yourself and dc and let them have a normal childhood. As you know yourself having a drunk parent isn’t normal.

No one can uproot their life overnight because of pressure from a forum no matter how much the keyboard warriors want you too. The people who post have real lives, real problems. We should support but not pressure. This isn’t a soap opera! I believe you will leave as soon as you are able to and I wish you luck.

Fretfulparent · 31/08/2019 10:05

Alcohol screening tools used in the NHS

www.gmmh.nhs.uk/download.cfm?doc=docm93jijm4n639.pdf&ver=1017

Completing the questionaires on this link may give your DH some idea of the scale of his drinking. It is up to him what he does with that info.

Liiibbb · 31/08/2019 10:08

Excellent post Zoff. Good luck OP.

MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 10:16

Thank you all.

I can't see him changing and am fully expecting to separate.

However, contrary to what some of you think based on not much, I wont be going to the solicitor just yet. We have various issues going on at the moment l, not least the fact my 11 year old is about to start secondary school (at a special school just to add to the pressure). Theres no need to rush things at the moment. I can't afford to move out so will wait until I can, so getting q job is the priority no matter what you may think Atilla. . We have another property that I can move into but it has tenants, so I need to get then to move out first.

Just to clarify, the arm incident was 2 years ago. He gave up drinking for about 3 months (and was very sanctimonious in the process) and then drank moderately for about 15 months. So the excessive drinking has picked up over the last 6

Some of you seem to be positively gleeful in the idea I should leave now and pointing out how I'm putting my head in the sand. If that were the case I wouldn't be here would I? Not that I really give a shiney shit what you might think.

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ShatnersWig · 31/08/2019 10:27

This will be a case of playing the long game but I have a plan

How much longer does the long game have to be? This isn't something that's just started! There was a short gap but otherwise, this is who he is, this is who he has always been, why on earth do you think he's going to change? You hate him being like this around the children BUT YOU ALLOW IT! By staying in this relationship you are allowing your children to witness this behaviour on a regular basis.

Sorry, I don't understand this. If this was a new situation I could, but it's not. You considered leaving him before but didn't. How would you react if, while you are playing the long game, he hurt you far more seriously than last time? Or, perish the thought, how would you live with yourself if he hurt one of your children while drunk, knowing you could have prevented it?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/08/2019 10:34

I am not suggesting that you leave now for goodness sake!. What do you take me for. This all has to be planned with due care and diligence and it does take time. Getting the whole ball rolling is the first, and often the most hardest of steps, to take.

Seeking legal advice as I have already mentioned will give you knowledge (this is also power) and you do not have to act on this immediately either.

I have stated there is no good time to leave but leaving sooner rather than (perhaps even years) later would be beneficial for all of you.

(I would clarify further with the LEA in advance of any future move but your child should not lose their special schools place nor their EHCP if you were to move house).

MeggyMeg · 31/08/2019 10:44

Round of applause for ShatnersWigs outstandingly unhelpful post. Nothing like a bit of victim blaming is there. Relationships are complex and we stay in situations for all sorts of reasons. Yes he's always drunk too much , but the children were younger and in bed. It was our normal. Then the arm incident happened and I thought wtf. He 'changed' for 18 months. In that time the children have got older and are now around when he comes in. Hence why I'm doing something. As I've said , my long game is not years FFS. Its going to be enough time to get my so settled into school and for me to be financially independent. I am talking months.

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