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Does the feeling of "inequality" ever go away?

72 replies

Chessandcheckers · 24/08/2019 15:36

I love my DP very much he's the love of my life of that I'm sure. But we come from such different backgrounds it's sometimes hard. I had a classic middle class upbringing, DM went to into get a history degree, DF has two degrees and owns a successful business. My DS went on to get a PhD and married a professor. I plan to also start my PhD next year but more as a personal achievement than anything else. I speak 3 languages and I'm currently underemployed, but hopefully things will pick up once ML is over. My DP on the other hand only finished secondary school and has a manual job. He sometimes tells me that I have "big dreams" and that I'm not that special (in career terms) but I really beg to differ. I still pay for 2/3s of our bills and I'm ok with it, if the gender roles were reversed nobody would bat an eyelid.
I've already told him that putting me down career wise isn't very nice and he shouldn't do it. I never tell.him.he has a dead end job or out him.down for his dreams of one day having his own business.

Because of all the financial implications I don't plan to marry him, at least not for some time. I think sometimes I'm being materialistic but my exH was a jerk about it and ended up with not a lot of a settlement but at least got our joint assets secured into a trust for our DD.

My family loves my DP but is always suspicious that he always thinks about his DC (my DSC) before me. For example, when we all moved together, o thought it was sensible to just buy whatever we could but he was adamant it had to be all set up by the time we all moved in. He also once used my CC without my permission to buy his son a phone he had already promised to him.

I paid for his car and now we're buying a house. I plan to set it up as tenants in common, in the end it's a sensible idea, the majority of bills are covered by me, and a mortgage is much lower than rent.

Part of the ongoing issue is that his DS (who is glued to his phone to his DM and her boyfriend) won't share a room with the baby so we have to get a bigger house. My DD on the other hand complains about not having her own room.

As a family we actually live a very nice and peaceful life, but sometimes I feel like he's taking advantage of me. I do think that's just down to how different our backgrounds and incomes are. Apart from the furniture incident (and the credit card one) he's never seemed to be in just for the money. When I explain things to him (like when he had the idea of just having one room as diner and lounge with no space for my desk) he always understands and we just move on from it.
Then my DM is sure his exW will only demand more money from him (which is understandable) in fact she did but he just said no.

Am I being silly for feeling this way? I think it's completely natural and just something that is bound to happen when your lives are so different.

OP posts:
Chessandcheckers · 24/08/2019 16:25

He never belittles me in any other way apart from the salary/career expectations. When I tried to retrain as a chef (because that's what I had to do to make a living). He'd always support my crazy shifts and helped around in the house.

I'm not a white dove... I believe I'm smarter than most and that must be annoying to hear.

The whole salary agreement usually comes up because I tell him things will get better and I'll eventually make more money.

My salary is only £18k and a third of my income come from a trust in my name. Before I was made redundant I was making closer to £50k.

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sackrifice · 24/08/2019 16:27

I think you are living in your own private Idaho.

You really need to wake the fuck up.

Ilikethisone · 24/08/2019 16:29

I believe I'm smarter than most and that must be annoying to hear.

Annoying to who? Him? Or us?

You say this and yet stat with a man who is just taking the piss. What is he doing to increase his own earnings? While you promise him you will earn more? And knackered yourself? The least he could do would be support you that's not a big deal.

OP I hold a senior position and earn twice as much as dp. I dont feel unequal. He never takes the piss. I picked a smaller house than I could afford, we were together but not living together. I wanted a small mortgage.

He has moved in. He doesn't complain we should have somewhere bigger or better or anything. For no reason at all. He certainly doesnt take my cards and buy things for his son with it.

That's taking the piss and you know it.

JoJoSM2 · 24/08/2019 16:30

To me it sounds like a weird choice of partner. Have you even got much to talk about?

I also think that the CC incident and the way he speaks to you is unacceptable.

If you do intend to stay together, I do think it isn’t appropriate for an older child to share with a baby.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2019 16:33

He does not have to belittle you in any other way; he does this because he can, it works for him and you let him. How did this bloke ever become the supposed love of your life (he truly is not worthy of that accolade)?. You are this man's meal ticket and way out of poverty.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up; did your father treat your mother this badly too?. You may be booksmart but you're not at all clued up when it comes to relationships.

Chessandcheckers · 24/08/2019 16:35

He's done some cash in hand jobs (which he gave me the full amount to me), but apart from that he doesn't have much free time. He works weekends and on weekdays he is charge of all DC (school runs, breakfast, packed lunches) as well as cleaning the house.

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PicsInRed · 24/08/2019 16:36

Why the blue fuck would you buy a house with such a resentful prick?

He's a cocklodger. A really charmless one.

Don't buy a house together and don't ever marry him. You're in a good spot. The benefit of that goes to your kids...which brings me to the most important part.

DON'T GET PREGNANT.

Aquamarine1029 · 24/08/2019 16:36

He never belittles me in any other way apart from the salary/career expectations.

He shouldn't be belittling you AT ALL.

PicsInRed · 24/08/2019 16:38

helped around in the house.

Fuck's sake.

I mean, really.

Chessandcheckers · 24/08/2019 16:39

He's my third relationship (and I don't even mean just serious ones) at 35 I have next to no experience. My exH was a million times worse. My DF was a total alcoholic asshole.

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Ilikethisone · 24/08/2019 16:40

He's done some cash in hand jobs (which he gave me the full amount to me), but apart from that he doesn't have much free time. He works weekends and on weekdays he is charge of all DC (school runs, breakfast, packed lunches) as well as cleaning the house.

Wow he did cash in hand, so illegally then and gave you the money?

Bollocks he doesnt have enough time. I was a single parent until dp moved in. I did all the above and still managed to get up the career ladder. He needs to be doing what he can, to increase his earning.

If he does so much for 'all DC's why is he paying maintenance?

BlockedAndDeleted · 24/08/2019 16:43

So he’s a tax dodger - he sees no need to contribute fairly to society like the rest of us?

Says a lot about him really.

Also says a lot about you too if your happy to benefit from that tbh.

KUGA · 24/08/2019 16:45

FFS get rid .

pikapikachu · 24/08/2019 16:46

I believe I'm smarter than most and that must be annoying to hear.

You're not smarter than most if you think that you're in a good relationship because your previous 2 were worse. That's like saying Trump's not that bad since Hitler and Stalin were worse.

Aquamarine1029 · 24/08/2019 16:48

I don't think you have the slightest clue what a healthy relationship looks like. You really need therapy.

TimeForNewStart · 24/08/2019 16:50

My DDs only loss has been her room

At that age it’s pretty much all you’ve got though, isn’t it?

PicsInRed · 24/08/2019 16:52

My exH was a million times worse. My DF was a total alcoholic asshole.

OP, please have a read of one of the stickies...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

QUOTE:
Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

loops2019 · 24/08/2019 16:52

Have you got autism / aspergers?
The way you describe yourself with such arrogance and dismiss
Your partner reminds me
Of the black / white ASD thinking

inlectorecumbit · 24/08/2019 16:52

you think it is ok for your DD to lose her room while his DS (ovbiously golden child) refuses to share?
you are his cash cow..
Get rid and dosome work on yourself. Find out how you always seem to find arseholes as partners

pikapikachu · 24/08/2019 16:57

It's financially abusive of him to make you pay for a 4 bed house on a salary of 18k. (I'm assuming you have bedroom 1, dss has bedroom 2, girls have bedroom 3 and baby has bedroom 4) It's also highly unfair to give dss his own room while the girls share. If they refuse to share would you get a house with an extra bedroom? I'd be livid at the favouritism if I was your dd.

avocadotofu · 24/08/2019 17:03

It doesn't sound to me like you're in a good relationship. I think your experience of your father and your previous partner may mean that you've not got the best grasp on what a healthy relationship is. I also think it can be hard to see how awful things really are while you're going through them. I hope you are able to leave this relationship and find someone who truly loves you.

ScreamingLadySutch · 24/08/2019 17:06

[Sometimes] you feel as though you are being taken advantage of

... because you are being taken advantage of.

'The baby'. What baby?

DO NOT GET PREGNANT

Chessandcheckers · 24/08/2019 17:11

@loops2019 I don't but I've actually thought in the past I might have. I was extremely focused on certain subjects in my teens and have severe socialising skills.

@pikapikachu yes that's the sleeping arrangement. You can touch his son with a feather because he breaks. I'm actually hopeful he'll decide to live with his DM FT.
My DD is annoyed about sharing a room. She goes on about it but she's also fairly entitled. This experience has made her much better at sharing and look after her own stuff. She's extremely materialistic as her dad will never say no to her. At least at home with me she's learned she can't have it all.

I think if no baby was on the way, we'd probably look for a 4bed still do they could all have their own bedroom.

Having a mortgage (with a tenants in common clause) will only make things fairer. If we didn't have to pay for childcare, we'd actually be 50/50 by then.

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BraveGoldie · 24/08/2019 17:12

Wow people are really piling in with almost no information to insult Op, never mind OP's man....

Op, I think you are right if the genders were reversed nobody would have an issue with the division of Labour in your household - sounds like he contributes a lot around the house, with the kids, and also puts in financially as much as he can, by your own account.

Using your credit card for something without permission is not good but I would want to know more to understand it fully. If you regularly give him your card for expenses and you are years into living together, and he just used it and told you later/ paid you back then I don't think that's a big deal. Buying something on your credit card would surely show up on your statement and therefore unlikely he was trying to do it covertly? Perhaps it just indicates you need a clear conversation about what is ok and how to manage finances? Perhaps a conversation you have avoided because the whole issue feels difficult?

Obviously if he used your card for something you had made clear was not something you wanted to pay for, and tried to cover it up then indeed that is stealing and I would never recommend staying in a relationship with someone who did that.

In terms of criticizing what you do, I would also want more information... partly it is not clear what he actually says or how often. Partly, I can imagine if you have a baked-in sense of your own superiority (which you seem to almost acknowledge and your first post also suggests), then I can imagine that grating on your partner and it leaking out occasionally in retaliatory put downs. There are also real differences in attitudes to making money between working and middle class. (Working class tend to believe in just doing whatever needed to earn, while the family background you describe tends more towards thinking about career and fulfillment and waiting for the right thing). Sounds like the root of your dispute may be around that?

I think significant gaps in education and finances are really really hard to negotiate Op- especially, as you say, when the genders are this way around. I am a year into a relationship with a man who has far far lower income and education than me. He is a wonderful man who genuinely loves me, but it is certainly one of the tricky things we need to manage and we haven't worked it all out yet.

I wish you luck - and don't take everything in this thread to heart. Mumsnet folk often love to jump in and condemn with very little information......

Ilikethisone · 24/08/2019 17:18

No. No one would be telling a man it's ok if his girlfriend

Used his credit card for a new phone for her daughter
Insisted on him buying a bigger hour because one of their children refuses to share a room
Takes the piss out of their ambitions
Works illegally and gives the OP money, sporadically
No intention of trying to do their own earnings
Claims they dont have time to look at the career ladder because they do the school run and packed lunches

All whilst expecting him to foot the majority if the Bill's, despite them only earning 18k.

And again, if he does this for ALL the kids every week day why is he paying maintenance?