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Worried about my mum - morbidly obese, addicted to food?

34 replies

worriedaboutray · 16/08/2019 15:34

My mum is 54 and has been overweight since before I was born. She slimmed down to a 12/normal BMI for her wedding day, then her weight gradually crept up. She has been around 21 stone for most of my life, occasionally losing a stone or two via Weight Watchers but then swiftly returning to the 20s.

As background, I'm still at university so visit in the holidays, and therefore spend enough time with her to see this play out (time which I really treasure; I love her and she's a fantastic mum).

She has had one hip replaced due to severe osteoarthritis. The NHS wouldn't do it due to risk and she had to go private. The other one needs doing, and both knees, and even the private provider won't touch her now until she loses weight. She's got a BMI of 52.

She had two alcoholic parents, one has now died, and I see a real pattern in her food consumption that reflects their addictive behaviours. She does not see it, and I have never broached this.

Forgive the inappropriate analogy, but her weight has long been 'the elephant in the room' in our family for as long as I can remember. Nobody mentions it. She occasionally describes herself as fat, and we brush over it awkwardly. As kids, she occasionally took us to theme parks or fairs and she was never able to ride them. She got an extra seat on the plane last time we flew anywhere as a family.

She is now at a point where, due to her size and arthritis, she gets out of breath walking up the stairs in the house, even walking slowly. She does no exercise and brushes it off as being due to "age", but it is because she can't do it. She could walk to the end of our road but would be out of breath and would walk incredibly slowly. She thinks she has arthritis because her father had arthritis (in his 70s and after doing hard manual labour all his life).

The parallels to alcoholism, from my perspective, are as follows:

  • Secret eating - waits until we are in bed and then eats, waits until I'm in another room and then eats (but I can hear it), goes to McDonald''s on the way home and then hides the rubbish.
  • Stores food that is "hers" in a cupboard. I recognise that some people keep a stash of chocolate etc. but she has four different tins containing various biscuits, a large tin of raisins (family sized biscuit tin), about six boxes of crackers, ten tins of rice pudding, ten tins of custard, and a shelf in the fridge that is hers (mainly full of soft cheese and yoghurts made with cream). There is no chocolate because chocolate is consumed the moment it is bought. If anyone touches her stash, she gets very angry, so we don't go near it.
  • We recently went to a craft workshop and she spied the cake on the side that was for the break. An hour in, she asked if we could have cake now and got her piece. No one else was ready yet because it was an hour after breakfast, and it was slightly embarrassing that she asked.
  • Eats more or less every hour, or says she will feel sick/dizzy/have low blood sugar.
  • Eats very large portions, e.g. soup but with 2/3 of a French baguette covered in cream cheese.
  • Often says "I wasn't going to eat cake today" after eating cake, or "I was being good" and then eats something.
  • Asks me to walk to the shop to pick up chocolate for her, which I find really difficult and always want to refuse to do, but I don't want to hurt her feelings.
  • My dad brings home chocolate most nights, e.g. a family packet of Minstrels or Maltesers. He puts his in a cupboard and eats it gradually, mum eats the packet straight away and then goes in her cupboard for biscuits.

A good example is that we went out as a family, had a three course lunch, and went to browse a gallery. Mum obviously couldn't walk, so took herself off to sit in the cafe, and when we came to see her she had drunk a hot chocolate and was eating a sandwich. We ate at 2 and this was at 4. My brother commented that we had only just eaten, and she said "yes, this is my dinner" but when we got home she ate a second dinner.

  • If I eat anything at all, she asks "ooh what is that? ooh yum maybe I should have that". She can't not remark on whatever everyone is eating, and is openly delighted by the presence of food.
  • Looks forward to eating and imagines her meals out loud to me constantly, usually just after eating the previous meal.
  • Food shops almost every day, accumulating healthier items that are inevitably ignored and thrown out.
  • Has visited a nutritionist and bought "healthy meals", but eats them as snacks.

I'm so sorry if I sound like I'm monitoring her intake, but it's so hard not to notice it. She has such an unhealthy relationship with food, and the effect it's having on her joints is stressful to watch.

She delayed going to the doctor about her other hip because she knew her BMI would be too high. My aunt has recently had a gastric band and has dropped loads of weight, my mum doesn't like this muc and is snarky about her. The same happened when her childhood best friend dropped loads of weight - "her poor face looks so old now".

I know she had a difficult time being an overweight kid. But so did me and my brother; we were both massively obese and now struggle hugely to keep the weight off. I was bullied horrifically at school as a result and still bear the emotional scars, but I am grown now and can take responsibility for my own weight and happiness.

I am now at the point where I struggle to sympathise with her when she tells me about how painful her hip is, while eating bags of chocolate.

She uses her good blood pressure and normal cholesterol levels to justify that she is healthy and fine, ignoring the arthritis, which is now even reaching her shoulder.

I really want to help. I know calling someone fat never made anyone thin (I had to go through this myself). But she is so unhappy, so immobile, and I think the more her mobility drops the larger she will get. I think she is addicted and needs help. What can I do, please?

OP posts:
bluetue · 16/08/2019 16:02

I agree from the sounds of it she has some issues re. Food. The secret eating suggests she has some shame in it so is aware it's a problem, consciously or not.

I think the only thing to do in this situation is be frank with her. Tell her you are worried for her health and it would really mean a lot for you if she tried to lose some weight and change her relationship with food. Offer to help her.

She will probably be embarrassed and initially in denial "I have normal blood pressure etc." So you will need to point out to her that she has been told by more than one medical professional that her weight is an issue.

It's tough, nobody likes to be told harsh truths about themselves even if it's painfully obvious. But you sound like a wonderful Daughter

PinkFlowerFairy · 16/08/2019 16:07

An eating disorder is rarely about the food. Id take all conversarion away from food and towards happiness - what does she enjoy doing with you, what can you do thats fun with her? Maybe she might be interested in counselling.

She will know shes large. But trying to "help" will be like telling a depressed person to snap out of it. Or an anorexic to "just eat." It is much deeper than the food.

PinkFlowerFairy · 16/08/2019 16:08

I dont know anyone who is morbidly obese who needs "harsh truths". It just adds shame to already feeling awful.

PinkFlowerFairy · 16/08/2019 16:09

95%of diets fail and most people gain. Dieting really truly isnt the answer when someine is obese. They need to adress the disordered eating and its huge.

Peridot1 · 16/08/2019 16:10

It sounds really hard and sad. I’m overweight too but I manage to rein it in and lose some every so often.

It sounds like something like Overeaters Anonymous might help your mum. She needs more than just going on another diet.

It will be a very hard conversation to have and you will need to put it that you are very worried for her health.

But it does sound like she is massively in denial. And it’s probably all tied up in the fact that her parents were alcoholics. Not just the addiction bit but she probably ate to deal with her emotions in relation to that.

ElphabaTheGreen · 16/08/2019 16:22

You could be describing my mum, OP. Every bit of it. The arthritis, the closet eating, the using her normal BP and cholesterol as ‘evidence’ of being ‘fat but fit’.

There is not a thing you can do, sorry. She has a food addiction coupled with a massive case of denial - either denial that her weight is an issue or denial that she thinks she’s succeeding in pulling the wool over your eyes. Probably both. Unless she, herself, can take action herself to get her out of this, nothing will happen and you need to accept she will die young. Neither you, nor more doctors, telling her she’s fat will do anything. She knows. Pointing it out to her will just send her further into her addiction.

My mum actually made it to 71, unbelievably. Great BP, cholesterol and no diabetes to the very end. She got sepsis from an abscess under her skin that they couldn’t operate on because she was too fat. She was left vulnerable to developing sepsis from chronic bleeding from a benign tumour above one of her adrenal glands. Which could easily have been removed. But she was too fat. The obesity still killed her.

Sorry, OP. It’s shit. Flowers

ElphabaTheGreen · 16/08/2019 16:23

Gosh, I missed the parents being alcoholics bit. Also the same with my my mum. Her brothers were both alcoholics and also struggled with obesity.

worriedaboutray · 16/08/2019 16:28

Thanks so much for your replies. I agree that "harsh words" would really hurt her, she's very sensitive and kind and would take it as a rejection of her whole self.

The frustrating part is that she attends Al-Anon (for families of alcoholics) and is scathing in her description of her alcoholic parents and "drinkers" in general. She astutely recognises addictive alcohol use in others, the role of enablers, and the destructive nature of it. I suppose she is in denial about the parallels.

She also used to be a counsellor, and I think regards herself as "fixed" due to the supervision etc. she had. She blames (probably fairly) a lot of her emotional difficulties on her parents and childhood, and talks about them at length, but this one area is off limits.

She will know shes large. But trying to "help" will be like telling a depressed person to snap out of it. Or an anorexic to "just eat." It is much deeper than the food.

I totally agree with this. I have depression and find these comments irritating at best, painful at worst.

It sounds like something like Overeaters Anonymous might help your mum. She needs more than just going on another diet.

This does sound like a plan, but I'd struggle to raise it without offending/upsetting her. We have such a good relationship, after my difficult teen years and mental health has been resolved, and I don't want to "lose" her again.

But it does sound like she is massively in denial. And it’s probably all tied up in the fact that her parents were alcoholics. Not just the addiction bit but she probably ate to deal with her emotions in relation to that.

I think you could be right. I had hoped someone at Al-Anon might mention it...

Unless she, herself, can take action herself to get her out of this, nothing will happen and you need to accept she will die young.

This is devastating Sad

Neither you, nor more doctors, telling her she’s fat will do anything. She knows. Pointing it out to her will just send her further into her addiction.

You're right. Awful as it is.

Thank you for your kindness. I'm studying medicine so I always want to help, to fix, but maybe she is the only one who can do that Sad

OP posts:
Blutopia · 16/08/2019 16:36

@worriedaboutray I have no advice but wanted to say how much kindness and empathy there is in your post about your mum. She is lucky to have you and I hope you can get through to her - but her disordered eating/thinking is part of her and is a tough nut to crack. She might be unable to change - but you'll love her just as she is, flaws and all.

If it's any consolation though, your post has given me an awful lot to think about in terms of my own disordered eating, so thank you. Flowers

PinkFlowerFairy · 16/08/2019 16:36

And she might not be able to. Many depressed people are not truly able to pull themselvea out of depression and I think many with eating dosorders aren't able to think themselves out of it.

I personally would just work on having the best relationship with her you can, doing the fun stuff. If she feels you're judging her it will just confirm the low self esteem etc.n

Notice the good and focus on that, avoid commenting on food at all.

ElphabaTheGreen · 16/08/2019 16:37

She is the only one who can fix it, OP. I’m so sorry.

PinkFlowerFairy · 16/08/2019 16:38

And yes I agree, your post is full of love.

My mums an alcoholic and it's so hard at times. Giving up alcohol iant at all easy but it is a clearcut thing you need to do and you can live without drink.

Obesity is so so hard, you cant give up food. And when movenent is hard its so hard to exercise.

worriedaboutray · 16/08/2019 16:39

I personally would just work on having the best relationship with her you can, doing the fun stuff. If she feels you're judging her it will just confirm the low self esteem etc.

This is a good idea, thanks.

I struggled with my own eating disorder for a while. I'm currently in remission. Skipped meals as a teenager, lost a lot of weight, then went on a medication (similar to steroids) where I was hungry all the time, starving didn't work so I became bulimic. I've addressed it using CBT books and have been free of symptoms for a few months, but it was awful and made me feel so ashamed. So I have great empathy for her.

OP posts:
worriedaboutray · 16/08/2019 16:40

@PinkFlowerFairy - That's a really good point. I used to wish I could just take a pill and be free from food, but you have to eat it.

OP posts:
trockodile · 16/08/2019 16:40

Tbh the hard truth is that there is very little you can do to help. I have a lot of these issues and am morbidly obese. The difference is that I am brutally honest with myself now, and with my dr. I am aware of my addiction to food, and all I have really managed to do is make which healthy choices I can-never drink and have never smoked/done drugs etc. I try to heat healthier when I can, and don’t beat myself up when I binge. I actually get panicky at the thought of not being allowed them, and it consumes me so I can think of nothing else. The way I deal with things best are when I don’t overthink things, get on with life and accept me, the way I am, with my many flaws-and that sometimes I binge eat.
There is nothing anyone could do to change things. I have tried so many times, and when I fail I cut myself off from the people who I tried to help-I was so ashamed of myself, I stopped going to the doctor and ignored letters and calls from them. I stopped taking medications due to feeling nothing I did makes any difference and because I didn’t want to go to the dr for reviews. I was a mess. My dr is fantastic and pretty much forced me to the surgery! We made a pact that he would never judge me, or weigh me if I didn’t feel happy with it-and in return I feel I can be honest with him. There are other health issues, we try and deal with them as separate issues, while acknowledging that being fat doesn’t help them.
All I can suggest really is to be honest with your mum. You don’t have to be nasty but equally don’t tiptoe around the issue-just tell her nicely that she is an adult, and can make her own decisions but that you don’t feel comfortable buying her more chocolate or enabling her.
Good luck!

worriedaboutray · 16/08/2019 16:43

Thanks trockodile. I'm sorry you're struggling with this too and your post was very helpful.

We made a pact that he would never judge me, or weigh me if I didn’t feel happy with it-and in return I feel I can be honest with him.

I found this especially helpful, and will use this strategy when I'm qualified as a doctor.

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 16/08/2019 16:48

I find this one of life's odd contradictions.

It seems it's expected to talk to an alcoholic. Try to make them seek help, to stop. But when it's a food addiction and someone is obese, the responses are don't tell her, it will hurt her feelings, she already knows.

It's like being fat is the one thing that can never be mentioned. Smoking, drinking, yes you can say it, but food, no, you must never speak it's name,

Just like the alcoholic or the smoker, the obese person also knows. And just like the alcoholic or the smoker, they may deem it too hard a journey, or come up with reasons why, or even try to justify it.

If you think she doesn't want to hear it and will be upset, snd you don't want to risk your relationship and your father can't speak to her, then I'm not sure what else can be done op.

PinkFlowerFairy · 16/08/2019 16:57

A smoker or alcoholic can access help to give up drink or alcohol. Ypu cant give up food, its a complex relationship.

A better analogy would be to tell a depressed person they're depressed. And tell them to "come on stop being depressed." Which doesnt help.

Beat is the main eatingbdisorders charity. I dont know if they do anything for family members or supporters?

waterSpider · 16/08/2019 17:03

Food addiction is very difficult. You can cease smoking and drinking (not easy, for many), but you still have to eat.
But self-recognition of the issue does need to come first.

Scott72 · 16/08/2019 17:06

I once saw a website called "food is worse than crack", and for some people it is. How could she not realize she has a serious eating disorder (binge eating disorder I think it would classified as). I think you need to tell her you are deeply concerned about her overeating. Although perhaps you need to go to a forum specifically for overeaters and ask there first.

BuildBuildings · 16/08/2019 17:09

I have insulin resistance, which I'm losing weight to address. Although I'm not as overweight as your mum. I'm also a lot younger. However I mention this because before I was diagnosed I was constantly hungry. Basically if you have insulin resistance or diabetes which is un treated you're body doesn't use the food you're eating properly. The glucose stays in your blood rather than getting to your organs. So you get hunger messages.

The type of appitite you describe makes me wonder if she has insulin resistance or diabetes.

trockodile · 16/08/2019 17:39

@worriedaboutray -glad I could help a little. It is really hard-I tried not to make too many excuses in my post-yes @Buildbuildings I have insulin resistance-now diabetes type 2-I have PCOS, severe endometriosis, Rheumatoid Arthritis and fibromyalgia. I have just been diagnosed with a urachnal tumour! My marriage broke up, I have ended up moving in with my parents to be a carer to my disabled mother. I’m permanently exhausted bt i keep going for the time being. I’m useful to people around me and try to be a nice person-but I don’t particularly mind if I die young. I’m seriously considering Dignitas or similar. And sometimes food and a good book are the only things in my day that feels like a treat, something for me. I don’t have the energy (mental or physical) to go out or socialise. I can diet but life just feels so joyless and soul destroying.
I’m sorry if I sound depressive-maybe other people will do better than me. My dr thinks I would do well on bariatric surgery but I’m too old (46) for the nhs here. I’m not sure I would have the energy or the motivation to succeed but I certainly can’t afford to go private so it’s a moot point anyway.
People are complicated-and whether alcoholism, drugs, risky sex, compulsive eating, adrenaline sports-some will manage to give them up-and some can’t. It may make the addict many things-but it doesn’t make them a bad person.
I think I’m done with my CBT for the day, but good luck ‘worried’-sounds like you’ll be a good doctor-I firmly believe that you can be honest with patients without being nasty and judgmental.

KingMidasAteMidges · 16/08/2019 17:44

OP I hope you realise it is not just a lack of good attitude to food/ incorrect mindset on the part of your Mum. She is effectively a prisoner of powerful physical drivers/ metabolic processes. These are extremely difficult to overturn, reverse or curb. So much so that your Mum has done a cost/benefit analysis and arrived at the conclusion that even attempting to go back to healthy is not worth the pain and suffering for at least several months, more likely years.

It is a good bet that your Mum has got sky high baseline insulin which drives her to eat every hour, to reach for bread, biscuits and chocolate. It is a physiological issue as much as a mental attitude, unfortunately. Nobody can stand hunger for too long and she is experiencing EXTREME hunger constantly.

Regrettably, it is going to be very hard and painful to reverse this and go back to normal. There is zero chance of success if your Mum is half-hearted about the change. It needs total commitment and perseverance over a long time, potentially for the rest of her life. She is burying her head in the sand and doesn’t want to face up to the enormity of problem.

The other issue is it DOES get harder to correct obesity the longer it has been going on. So someone in their 20s with 10 years of obesity can do if much quicker and easier than a person in their fifties who has been obese for 30 years. Obesity is absolutely a time-dependent phenomenon.

We can all suggest excellent and effective ways to tackle it, but just like breaking addiction, it needs to come from the individual concerned. You can’t kick the drink problem for an alcoholic, THEY need to stand up to their demons and drive the change.

I can’t see any evidence that that’s likely to happen, I am very sorry. And you are all wasting your time until your Mum is willing to change in her heart of hearts.

I have got this same issue with my relative. I can give help, but I can’t do it for them, nobody can.

lljkk · 16/08/2019 18:15

I was in OA. Had an alkie parent.
I cannot be honest & direct but that isn't the same as assuming that I can change them. So a straightforward "I wish you weren't a food addict" statement out of my mouth would probably happen a few times.
From what OP says her mum would flip out so I'd end up shrugging & keeping quiet, but not without the announcement first "I'm not bringing it up again because it upsets you but I'm also not pretending this reality doesn't exist. Don't expect me to collude (and you can buy your own chocolate & unhealthy food)."

Coz that's what it means to acknowledge the elephant in living room; you don't break the grip the elephant has on you unless you make it clear that you stop pretending it's not there.

She can't have a sponsor; good sponsors in Al-Anon would give it to her straight. Not harsh words. Just being very honest that she's swapped one obsession for another.

lljkk · 16/08/2019 18:16

cannot help but be honest & direct curses to MN no edit button