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Is it possible for someone to "check back in" after checking out?

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Unpoquitititoloco · 12/08/2019 09:32

DH is very emotionally distant from me at the moment and not happy with home life. Gets easily agitated with the DC and also with me. Any question is seen as "nagging". He's had to deal with a lot from me over the past few years (I have written another thread about this somewhere) as I suffered quite badly with PND and he also had a loss in his family which hit him hard.

When pushed a few weeks ago he told me he wasn't happy. That he doesn't love me in the same way that he used to and that he dreads weekends etc as it's always so stressful. Two young kids means that we are just entertaining them and conversation is hard because they're constantly interrupting/demanding attention. He says we're like two housemates who just function day to day.

Since then he has withdrawn all affection. Since the birth of our second sex life has been pretty much non existent anyway mainly due to my PND. But cuddles and affection and pet names etc have always been there. This has stopped completely. Even down to he won't put an x on the end of a text message (I know that's silly but you notice these things don't you!).

He says when I cuddle him he feels "anxious" he says he's struggling to come to terms with the last few years of my mental ill health and worries that it will always be the same. I know I've not been the best wife. My energy has gone into seeing the children are not effected in anyway by my low moods /anxiety and I guess I neglected DH in many ways. He too was grieving he sudden and unexpected loss of his older brother who he was very close to and I tried to be an emotional support but I was probably crap and also I leaned on him a lot too which I probably shouldn't have done at this time. I often cried saying I needed help and I needed him to help me get help as I felt "stuck" somehow and unable to move but he would often get exasperated and tell me off. I TOTALLY understand why. He was dealing with his own stuff.

But now he's looking back on everything and explaining how he can't get past it. There's many things in our relationship that I've forgiven of him. But he seems to be unable to forgive me for when I haven't been perfect.

The last couple of months have seen me feeling much much better and I plan on having no more children as I clearly am prone to mental ill health/chemical imbalance etc etc. I would not put us through that again and just want to move forward now and bring our children up together happily. When I talk about improving our relationship (spending time together, spending time apart with friends, hobbies, exercise, communication) I'm just met with "but all this shit happened in past and I can't get over it". There's been no effort to though.

He's just not himself at all. He snaps at the children and regularly has little outbursts such as "no one listens to me in this family" or "everyone in this family just gets their own way, they go on and on at me until I have to give in". Apparently that's my fault. That's what I do and now the kids do it. But kids do that and need to be shown not to. And I admit I possibly do that sometimes because I haven't received an answer and something needs sorting. Yesterday for example I said to him "what do you think we should do about X" he said "I don't know". I left it until later that day and gently asked again. I was told I was nagging and putting pressure on him! It was something that needed sorting though!!

AnwAy I've clearly gone off on a major tangent. DH has started seeing a therapist recently as he seems depressed (although will often tell me he's not because he's happy at work) and are also going to go to relate. I'm scared he's doing it as a box ticking exercise so he doesn't look like the bad guy if he leaves. But what I guess I'm asking in a very very long and convoluted way is Is it at all possibly that I can get him back the way he was before? With work on our relationship and time and effort? Has this sort of thing ever been fixed for anyone?

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NewMe2019 · 13/08/2019 16:05

OP, reading your posts is like banging my head on a wall. He is showing you the answer by what he isn't saying. My ex used to ask me what I wanted and my response would be 'I don't know' only I did but didn't know how/couldn't bring myself to say it. I wanted out. I wanted him to see what screaming out silently at him and bloody acknowledge it rather than trying to cling onto nothing.

In the end, that was never going to happen and I ended it and just felt relieved.

prawnsword · 13/08/2019 16:08

I'm in limbo! He is his own person and can do what he likes. But I really hope I get a proper answer one way or the other after he's given it some time to realise that family life is on the up.

Do you realise how your language minimises any legitimate feelings he may have for wanting out & guilts him for falling out of love by pushing this false concept of “family life” as only existing if you stay together as a couple? Families come in all types & know it’s too early for you to accept right now but the signs are really clear here that this relationship will be wrapping up sooner or later.

It really sounds to me like you aren’t listening to what he is feeling, or saying at all. Sticking your head in the sand & refusing to break up won’t work, when someone wants out of a relationship they don’t need permission. You can’t force someone to stay in a relationship just because you believe the family unit must stay a certain way just because.

Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 16:27

I told him to leave at the weekend if that's what he wanted to do. He didn't. HE needs to take responsibility for his own life and happiness. HE needs to make that decision if that's what he wants. Not spend months "telling me through his actions"

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ScreamingLadySutch · 13/08/2019 16:29

"DH has started seeing a therapist recently "

is your ray of hope.

My advice to you is back off, leave him alone, and treat him kindly. One day at a time.

Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 16:30

Do you realise how your language minimises any legitimate feelings he may have for wanting out & guilts him for falling out of love by pushing this false concept of “family life” as only existing if you stay together as a couple?

Having your own thoughts and feelings and expressing them should NEVER mean someone is accused of minimising someone else's thoughts and feelings. I'm not pushing anything on him. I'm trying to help him. I'm trying to communicate with him and get him to communicate with me. Which is ESSENTIAL whichever way this goes.

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Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 16:32

@ScreamingLadySutch thank you and thanks what I'm very much trying to do at the moment. I'm just focusing day to day on making his life fairly easy and not putting any pressure on him to stay with his family.

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Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 16:35

Also @prawnsword I know that family's come in all shapes and sizes. I'm talking about OUR family life. It has been utter shite for the past few years. (Not daily but the bigger picture - I'm a natural optimist and I have still seen rays of light in amongst the crap). I feel OUR family life is on the up. And I hope that he gives it time to see that. That ain't minimising how he's currently feeling

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nearlynermal · 13/08/2019 16:42

OP, so sorry for what you're going through. I'm afraid I can't offer an example of recovery from this kind of thing. But when I read Chapman's 5 love languages after a breakup, I wondered in retrospect whether it might have helped. It's about figuring out what makes your partner feel loved (rather than working very hard to connect on a wavelength that isn't getting through to them.) So hard to meet your DCs' needs at that age as well as reviving your relationship. Don't lose hope x

Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 16:45

Thanks @nearlynermal I nearly ordered that on amazon the other day and then got distracted by a child. I'm going to order it now! I do think we're on different wavelengths for sure! But I absolutely love the bones of him.

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LittleWing80 · 13/08/2019 16:45

IN the kindest possible way, you feel your family life is on the up but he doesn’t see it that way as he feels unhappy and ‘doesn’t know’ if he wants to stay. He also says he wants to be happy (doesn’t say he wants this particular family life but envisages happiness in other ‘family shapes’).

It seems that your and DH’s feelings and wants are not aligned and he needs headspace to figure out what he wants before working on the marriage.

Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 17:05

@LittleWing80 I understand he doesn't see it that way. He sees a bleak future of mental ill health (in me) and not living life to the full. I HOPE that he gives it time to see that that's not going to be the case. I can't make him love me though. Even if we win the lottery tomorrow and get to go on an amazing adventure and move to a mansion then he still can't be happy if he doesn't love me

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Needsomebottle · 13/08/2019 19:02

I think the whys and wherefores as to how you got where you are are a bit irrelevant at the moment. You are where you are.

You know you want to try and work through it. He needs to decide if he wants to.

Is it possible to have some space from each other? Could he go, with your blessing, go stay somewhere where he can have time to work his head out. Until he can say if he wants to work at it you will be in limbo. And I think he is probably struggling to work that out with the conflict of seeing you every day. That was how I felt. And that space made me want to give it one real concerted effort.

Then, you can sit down and talk about how to improve going forward?

Techway · 13/08/2019 20:20

What is the background to his first marriage ending?

Unpoquitititoloco · 13/08/2019 21:17

@Techway it was long before I met him and lasted about 3 years.

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user1481840227 · 13/08/2019 22:17

It does sound like he's over it.
Once you reach that point there is no 'trying'. You just can't. Too many things have happened.

Maybe he is depressed, but that depression could be situational, it could be because he's completely miserable in the relationship because he feels like it's hopeless.

I'm not saying this to be horrible to you. I just think you really don't know what is going to happen with him so what you need to focus on now is building yourself up and trying to make yourself as strong as possible. Let him make his decision by himself. No helping him. No this or that. You have tried. Show him that you'll move on and be a strong woman without him. Don't act like you're just hanging around waiting for him to make up his mind about you!

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