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Why do they do it?

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ChippyPickledEggs · 09/08/2019 22:24

About a year ago I was approached by a man I know who confessed feelings for me. He told me he had rarely in his life experienced a "connection" like we had and made his attraction very clear. I feel the same but he is married and so I immediately told him that under no circumstances would I have an affair - that I would consider a relationship only if he was single, living separately, and there was clear space of a few months between the end of one relationship and the beginning of another. I honestly believed he was a decent sort, and as such assumed that he had made one dick move because his marriage was coming to a natural end and he was serious about me. He acknowledged that he could not pursue anything while he remained married and that "he didn't know what was going to happen." So that was that and contact between us ended.

Over the year he got in touch a couple of times: on my birthday and at Christmas, under the guise of just wanting to wish me a happy one. Each time I thought perhaps he was getting in touch to say he was now in a position to be able to spend time with me, but that wasn't the case so contact ended again as I don't think it's appropriate for us to be messaging really. Six or so months ago I finally came to the painful realisation that he fully intended to stay married and so went to work on accepting that and trying to put it all behind me. I did everything Mumsnet recommends: got a new hobby, threw myself into exercise and work, made time for friends etc. But I was pretty sad to be honest.

A few weeks ago I saw him again socially (first time in just over a year.) I was expecting nervous civility but he was on me like glue all evening, squeezing in next to me even when it was clear that people were shifting up to make room for him elsewhere; seeking me out; asking me for a hug goodbye whilst just waving to everyone else. It was to the point that a friend came over to say she noticed he kept on making a bee line for me - did I want her to subtly intervene?

The next day I messaged him saying his behaviour had been inappropriate, that I accepted he wished to remain married, but that meant he had to leave me alone. I reiterated that I would never consider an affair and that I found his behaviour confusing and hurtful. I got a load of gaslighting and denial back (he was just being "friendly" etc.) I called him out on this bollocks and he then admitted he still had feelings, that he thought I was "absolutely beautiful" and made some mention of his thoughts being "rude and X-rated." I mean for gods sake, I'm not going there.

I asked him why was he risking a 20 year marriage and a happy life? Either do the right thing and leave one relationship before you try to begin another, or commit to your marriage and leave me be. I asked why are you doing this? You are confusing me (who actually has genuine feelings) and betraying your wife. And he did not answer.

So contact has ended again and I have made a decision that that is the end of any attempt at continued civility. I will not even reply politely to pleasantries in the future. We can't pretend to be friends. But I am left feeling like absolute shit. I'm gutted because I would have wanted a relationship had the circumstances been appropriate, but more I wonder: what did he think of me? That I would be some meaningless fuck on the side? Is that the vibe I give off? That I don't care about myself?

Just why do they do it? I honestly thought he was a decent bloke who genuinely felt for me. People really like him and consider him to be a good man - a family man. One mutual friend that I have confided in can hardly believe it of him. Why risk your marriage if you don't even care? For a shag with a different view? Seriously? Is it worth it?

I do not get it. I will never get it.

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Rarfy · 09/08/2019 22:29

There will be 10 others of you I pretty much guarantee it. Some people just like to have their cake and eat it and are pretty good at making you feel special too.

Good on you for sticking to your morals.

SparklyMagpie · 09/08/2019 22:40

Ahh a question I've wondered for far too long, I guess the answer is because they can?

I wish I knew but credit to you OP having your self respect and knocking him back. It hurts and it sucks but you know what, you're not the dick here, you have yourself intact and can do a hell of a fucking lot better than that.

If I ever find the answer,I'll let you know

No shag,i don't care who it is and how amazing it is,is worth that

Mum4Fergus · 09/08/2019 23:02

In this case I think it's because you allowed it. Why did you not block him a year ago after he approached you in the hope of an affair?

ChippyPickledEggs · 09/08/2019 23:05

I don't know about my self respect now Sparkly. I'm so so grateful to myself that I did not indulge in an affair, but I've spent the last year pining for this guy who I am now beginning to suspect doesn't actually give a toss. I genuinely believed he gave a toss.

He has sworn blind he has never been unfaithful to anyone in his life. If there are ten others like me that is an absolutely despicable lie. I just find it so difficult to believe he's that much of a terrible person, especially when he's so well thought of.

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fandabbyfannyflutters · 09/08/2019 23:09

Because they know the script and want their cake and eat it. Send any messages to his wife and ask her why her husband seems to struggle with inappropriate boundaries

ChippyPickledEggs · 09/08/2019 23:10

Because I didn't want to completely close the door to potential contact Mum. Because I believed he might, over the next year or so, be in a position to legitimately begin a relationship.

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fandabbyfannyflutters · 09/08/2019 23:10

How do you know him? Is it work or what?

ChippyPickledEggs · 09/08/2019 23:13

We're on the periphery of eachothers social circles Fandabby. I don't see him often at all. I have friends that know him well.

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KellyHall · 09/08/2019 23:18

Sorry to break it to you but everyone is an arsehole in one way or another, I think you've actually been lucky that his arsehole tendencies were so obvious!

In my experience, the majority of men (and a lot of women) will stay in their current relationship until another one is established, not leave one on the off chance of a new one because they might end up alone and that's just too scary for someone as insecure as this particular arsehole obviously is.

It's not you, it's him. Put it down to experience, learn from it and move on. You'll be fine and once you've moved on you'll be approachable to the person who deserves you :)

FuriousVexation · 10/08/2019 04:45

Why?

Because humans aren't naturally monogamous and they fancy shagging someone else while still having their comfortable home life.

Notallitseemstobe · 10/08/2019 06:46

OK, firstly you aren't some bad person who is giving off vibes that you don't care about yourself and therefore an easy target.

Secondly, I don't know this man but it is entirely possible he could have quite serious feelings for you even if he never intends to leave his wife. It is possible to love or care for more than one person, so I wouldn't automatically assume he's only playing at liking you for a shag.

Is an affair ideal? No, and as you are a single woman I'd run a mile from sharing a man.

crappyday2018 · 10/08/2019 09:36

Why would you want to hang about waiting for a man who is clearly happy to have an affair behind his wife's back?? This guy is a rat.

ChippyPickledEggs · 10/08/2019 09:39

Notall an affair just isn't on the table. Not because I'm a saint, but because ultimately I just don't want to. I don't subscribe to the kind of black and white thinking around infidelity that casts affair havers as evil and immoral - I think life can be complicated and that good people can do bad things. But I can't personally sit with that level of deceit. Neither can I face the fall out and consequences of potential discovery. For me, any time spent together - however enjoyable - would not be worth it.

And that's where the confusion comes in. When you weigh up the risk: the guilt that comes with deceit and betrayal, the loss of friends, respect and approval upon discovery, the loss of a long term and secure marriage (from the ouside looking in he and his wife are solid - she's attractive, she's interesting, she seems like a good woman)... how could it possibly be worth it? I've weighed up the risk and decided it isn't worth it and I'm not even the married one!!

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ChippyPickledEggs · 10/08/2019 09:46

Because I find it incredibly difficult to believe he is a rat, Crappy. It's taken me a long time to get to grips with that. I just thought he was a good man who was unhappy and struggling and had made one dick move in a moment of madness. I thought he was for real.

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C0untDucku1a · 10/08/2019 09:51

He doesn't see it as a risk as he doesnt think he will ever get caught.

He isnt a good man. There is no way he is only behaving this way with you.

MashedSpud · 10/08/2019 09:56

Don’t waste your time waiting for a married man. If he left his wife and got with you do you really believe he wouldn’t do this to you with another woman?

He wants sex. That’s all. He doesn’t care about you, he doesn’t care about his wife. He cares about himself and his penis.

ChippyPickledEggs · 10/08/2019 10:07

Mashed he has also sworn blind it isn't just about sex. He actually messaged me after I told him off for having behaved so inappropriately recently that he felt the connection to be "more esoteric than erotic." I'm not even joking. It actually made me laugh out loud, it was such obvious bollocks. It was at this point I thought: does this man actually think I'm stupid?

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ChippyPickledEggs · 10/08/2019 10:11

I told him he was talking rubbish and that he needed to get real. At which point he said he couldn't get real about what he really wanted because it was "too rude and x-rated."

He's all over the place. It's a total head fuck. It has to be no contact at all.

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MashedSpud · 10/08/2019 10:14

If a man truly loves you, he would do anything to be with you. This guy is playing games.

It would be best for you to cut all contact so you can move forward and be with someone who is single and able to give you what you need in a relationship.

Middersweekly · 10/08/2019 10:15

He was testing your moral compass and if he could have gotten away with having a ONS or affair with you he would have gone for it! Most men seem to sing from the same “I’m a nice guy” hymn sheet. It’s boring and time old but they live in hope that someone will fall for it. You didn’t so I applaud you!
I would start looking for eligible singletons elsewhere and block him on all communication platforms!

ChippyPickledEggs · 10/08/2019 16:55

I feel really angry with him. If you're that desperate for a shag outside your marriage and you've no compunction against going for it, why not get yourself on one of those no strings websites? Why play with peoples feelings? I've spent a year carrying this about. It was all so unnecessary.

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FineWordsForAPorcupine · 10/08/2019 17:21

I know just how you feel, OP. I met a guy like that, and the chemistry was amazing. We just clicked, felt right, all the clichés. But he had a serious girlfriend. I honestly and completely thought that he was going to end his relationship and get together with me (even though we hadn't even kissed) because it was all so self evidently Right between us.

He did not end his relationship. He called me a few weeks later and rather shanefacedly told me that he was marrying his girlfriend. I congratulated him, and spent months feeling sad and confused that he had chosen her over me and like I had lost the love of my life.

About a year later, I saw them both at a party. He was all over another girl, really flirty and inappropriate, even trying to get into her taxi when she left. His wife was there, pregnant and very dignified. And I felt stupid for ever falling for him, and dismayed that my Prince had turned out to be a rat.

RantyAnty · 10/08/2019 17:23

he's a lying cheat. that's the truth. send his wife the messages he sent to you and block him on everything.

MustStop · 10/08/2019 17:27

They do it because we let them
HTH.

ChippyPickledEggs · 10/08/2019 17:36

No MustStop. I dont' accept that I'm responsible for his behaviour.

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