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Husband needs “space” left holding the baby

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Cantsleep22 · 09/08/2019 05:14

Hi

This is my very first post on here. I’ll try to keep to the point, keep it brief but give as much info as possible

We have been together 10 years. Married for 2 and have a 6 year old DD and an 8 month old DD. Our relationship has had many ups and downs. We have split a few times, the last time being 3 years ago. We had been bickering and he said he felt we weren’t right for each other any more. He moved out, he met someone else (definitely after we split, I know because I spoke to her) but decided he still loved me, wanted to make it work. We had counselling and worked things out. We moved house, got married and decided to try for another baby. Unfortunately, we lost a baby but conceived 4 months later and now have a beautiful family which I thought was complete.

That’s the background. Here’s to what’s going on now. I decided I wanted to breastfeed my dd. My husband was apprehensive at first, said he didn’t think he would be able to bond like he did with first dd. I suggested we go to a breastfeeding workshop where he realised the benefits outweighed his doubts and became on board. It’s been an absolute rollercoaster of emotions over the last 8 months, I’ve suffered with anxiety over feeding in public and some days I’ve wanted to run away myself, I just didn’t realise how hard it was going to be. My husband has been supportive and has seen me at my lowest. Our relationship has suffered massively because of the commitment I’ve given to breastfeeding. My dd won’t sleep in her own cot and getting her to sleep at night requires me to lie with her and feed her to sleep which can take 2 hours. By which point it’s bed time for me and dh. She has also never slept through the night meaning I am constantly exhausted. Our sex life has also taken a dip because of this but I have been conscious of this and tried to make time whenever I could. We generally dtd once a week which I don’t think is that bad considering.

So 4 days ago husband said we need some space, we’ve been bickering, don’t spend time together anymore. He thinks space will do us good. He went to his moms. I am going away this weekend with the children, this was already planned before. He has had the kids every night this week and will come back home when I’m away to look after our 2 dogs.

At first I was angry he’s left the home. Something that when we had counselling he realised doesn’t solve any problems. Now I am just heartbroken and want him to come home so we can talk through what is wrong and what we can do to make it better. Tonight he said can I see the children Sunday to which I asked him what is going on. I am left in limbo with this space he needs. He said he has felt better the last 4 days than he has the last 8 months. He feels like a better person and a better father. I have constantly put him down and made him feel useless. Our relationship has holes in it and right now he doesn’t want to come home. He doesn’t want it to get messy but needs more time to think. He says the family holiday we went on 2 weeks ago was make or break for him (news to me) and that he spent 10 days walking our dd around in her pushchair getting her to nap but got no thanks for it?! How about the last 8 months of me devoting my body to my daughter and not getting any thanks for it?! Not that I require him to thank me for it anyway.

I think he has already checked out emotionally and is buying time to decide on the next move. I.e moving out, selling the house etc. When he comes to pick up DDs he’s very quick to leave and keeps any conversations to a bare minimum.

I am heartbroken and can’t believe that he has left because we are going through a rough patch. I have tried to tell him this isn’t forever. Our daughter will only be this small and need me this much once. I can’t help but think there are other reasons he’s not telling me about.

Another factor in our relationship is his drinking. He isn’t an alcoholic but he does have a problem when he relies on alcohol to relieve stress and generally doesn’t know when to stop. I do find him more confrontational and argumentative when drinking. I have tried to talk to him about this on numerous occasions but he doesn’t acknowledge there is a problem. He says on holiday I nagged him too much about drinking but he was allowed to drink because he was on holiday! I can’t deny that, I enjoyed a drink myself but when he’s drunk before we’ve gone out for our evening meal I do think that is a problem!

I have no idea what to do next. I feel like history is repeating itself but this time it’s worse. I could afford the mortgage on our old house but there is no way I can on the new one. Also I am still on maternity leave and my maternity payments have now stopped. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated

Sorry this was longer than I had hoped but I wanted to try and include as much info as possible

OP posts:
AquaPris · 13/08/2019 09:39

He doesn't get to skip the parenting and still just enjoy bathtime etc

madcatladyforever · 13/08/2019 09:44

Sorry OP but he isn't an amazing dad.
He is only amazing when everything is going his way exactly, when he is having lots of sex, not having his drinking questioned, when the kids are not playing up.
As soon as things don't go exactly as he wants he leaves.
My ex husband was exactly the same, I had 20 years of tip toeing around his needs, him leaving and coming back and then he finally left when I was in hospital seriously ill as he wasn't getting enough attention and never came back.
He didn't like my menopause either because without the rosy glow of hormones I found I finally saw clearly and found the strength to tell him and his demands to fuck off.
Men like this will come and go and come and go as an answer to every single problem, don't waste 20 years on this fool like I did.
Get rid now. you are still young enough to have your own life and make a great future for yourself and will be able to feed your poor baby without it being a massive big deal that is all about him.
He can have all the fun of the children as a divorced dad without any of the hard work which is what he so clearly wants.
I'd have slung him out after the affair tbh.

madcatladyforever · 13/08/2019 09:57

Ah read the update - well done OP. Keep that recording and take it to the solicitor - you need this evidence of his drinking and driving for the divorce, he cannot be allowed to drive your girls while he's been drinking and this is proof. No way he will get to see them everynight, he can fuck right off.
You are doing the right thing. You and the girls are all that matters. Good on you for taking them camping on your own.

Littletabbyocelot · 13/08/2019 10:35

Glad you're getting advice and I hope you're able to let him go for good.

The measure of a good/amazing dad is the same as for a mum. If you behaved like he does, would you describe yourself as amazing? Good? Adequate? Not pulling your weight?

Cantsleep22 · 13/08/2019 10:53

I just want to say thank you for all your amazing replies. You don’t all realise how much you have made me see the situation and him for what it really is and have given me the push and strength to book that solicitors appointment. I have no idea who he is anymore to be honest. He’s being nice at the moment, he offered to fix our downstairs toilet the weekend as me and the girls are going camping again with friends. Why would he be bothered if he’s getting his own house 🙄 I realise I have shown little emotion in the last few posts but I am beyond scared. My maternity pay has just ended. I do have some savings but not enough to see me through so I think I will be forced to return to work earlier than planned. I feel so angry that he’s forcing me to do all this when a few weeks ago he said if I didn’t want to return to work I didn’t need to. I could stay home with the children! To those who have suggested to stop breastfeeding, that is not my intention. I enjoy it and while yes nighttime’s are a struggle she is an angel in the day so I can get all my jobs done allowing me to nurse her as she wishes on an evening. I don’t see why I should end a beautiful bond we have. In actual fact I have enjoyed it so much more now he has left knowing I don’t have a needy man child wanting me to hurry up nursing so I can return to stroke his ego

OP posts:
7yo7yo · 13/08/2019 10:58

Bet he’s back with the “OW”.
Dump
Him op

Cantsleep22 · 13/08/2019 11:06

Doubt it. She’s with another man and has a baby lol. He was seeing her when we split up not when we were together. Not making excuses for him but I have spoke to her, she clarified this and it was 3 years ago. If he’s seeing someone else now then I will find out eventually. These things always come out in the wash

OP posts:
KTara · 13/08/2019 15:55

Sorry, I read your post as the cameras were in the house, which I thought was a bit intrusive! Outside makes much more sense. Sorry again!

Cantsleep22 · 14/08/2019 21:46

Does anyone know if any solicitors in the West Midlands preferably Black Country area that offer mediation and legal aid? I’m struggling to find somewhere

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Cantsleep22 · 15/08/2019 16:33

So I’ve received this rather amusing message of him today.... I would really appreciate some opinions because I don’t know what to think .....

I’ve been thinking today would you be happy if I brought a breathalyser to prove to you when I pick up and drop the kids off I haven’t been drinking?

OP posts:
KTara · 16/08/2019 08:05

He raises a very genuine point - how are you supposed to know whether he has or has not been drinking when he has the children?

Of course the question should not even arise but clearly it does. He is worried that you will rightly and reasonably say that he cannot take the children whilst he is drinking. He is probably worried you will feel so uncomfortable with the idea of breathalysing him regularly that you will say no, I trust you.

In terms of Legal Aid, try posting on the Legal Matters board.

Cantsleep22 · 16/08/2019 09:10

It’s just utterly ridiculous. He’s still not addressing the problem. Just trying to appease me. How will I ever allow overnight visits. I can’t go an breathalyse him every hour. This has been going on for years. I have remembered finding empty cans in his wardrobe and behind his bedside table so he’s obviously been morning drinking all that time without me knowing so how can I ever trust him

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DiscontinuedModelHusband · 16/08/2019 15:44

it constantly amazes (and depresses) me how many men are so self-focussed, even in this day and age.

i cannot imagine being so blinkered as to complain that my "new-mum" wife was is not thinking about my needs, at this point in a relationship.

after all our DCs, i was there to support her first and foremost, with the baby coming in second. it's no sacrifice at all for me to park my own needs for a few months.

does this mean everything was rosy? of course not - DD1 slept in our bed pretty much til she was 18 months old (1st time parents, thought we knew better). DS1 wouldn't take a bottle, and fed pretty much hourly til we got him on solids at 4 months (to give DW a break, more than anything).

in that time, pressure and lack of sleep meant we were both snappy and irritable and lacking in patience and empathy.

but at no point would i have ever considered that i was missing out on my couple entitlements.

OP - i suggest you tell him he can have all the space he fucking wants.

except for every other week, when he's going to be 100% responsible, while you crack on with your own "freedom".

Cantsleep22 · 16/08/2019 16:18

Glad that there are decent men out there still. That all sounds great but the drinking issue is causing massive problems here. I don’t want him driving them or having them overnight but he won’t seek help for his problems even for the sake of his kids. What a selfish idiot.

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Loopytiles · 16/08/2019 16:25

Your ex is a shit partner and father: unfaithful, selfish, alcohol problems etc. Progress with financial separation and divorce.

Returning to work will be hard short term, but essential. Given your H’s behaviours it was unwise for you even to consider being a SAHM.

Get the legal advice. even if you have evidence of his drinking problem he would very likely get unsupervised overnight access to his DC and be able to drive his DC, should he go to court. A friend went through this. She reported her ex to the police several times for drink driving the DC but he was never caught. She negotiated very regular but no overnight access with him, and that she would drop off and pick up. he was more interested in alcohol, sadly.

whattodowith · 16/08/2019 16:30

He isn’t a good Father at all and an absolutely terrible husband. Definitely don’t consider taking him back if he ever decides the grass isn’t greener again.

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