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Husband needs “space” left holding the baby

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Cantsleep22 · 09/08/2019 05:14

Hi

This is my very first post on here. I’ll try to keep to the point, keep it brief but give as much info as possible

We have been together 10 years. Married for 2 and have a 6 year old DD and an 8 month old DD. Our relationship has had many ups and downs. We have split a few times, the last time being 3 years ago. We had been bickering and he said he felt we weren’t right for each other any more. He moved out, he met someone else (definitely after we split, I know because I spoke to her) but decided he still loved me, wanted to make it work. We had counselling and worked things out. We moved house, got married and decided to try for another baby. Unfortunately, we lost a baby but conceived 4 months later and now have a beautiful family which I thought was complete.

That’s the background. Here’s to what’s going on now. I decided I wanted to breastfeed my dd. My husband was apprehensive at first, said he didn’t think he would be able to bond like he did with first dd. I suggested we go to a breastfeeding workshop where he realised the benefits outweighed his doubts and became on board. It’s been an absolute rollercoaster of emotions over the last 8 months, I’ve suffered with anxiety over feeding in public and some days I’ve wanted to run away myself, I just didn’t realise how hard it was going to be. My husband has been supportive and has seen me at my lowest. Our relationship has suffered massively because of the commitment I’ve given to breastfeeding. My dd won’t sleep in her own cot and getting her to sleep at night requires me to lie with her and feed her to sleep which can take 2 hours. By which point it’s bed time for me and dh. She has also never slept through the night meaning I am constantly exhausted. Our sex life has also taken a dip because of this but I have been conscious of this and tried to make time whenever I could. We generally dtd once a week which I don’t think is that bad considering.

So 4 days ago husband said we need some space, we’ve been bickering, don’t spend time together anymore. He thinks space will do us good. He went to his moms. I am going away this weekend with the children, this was already planned before. He has had the kids every night this week and will come back home when I’m away to look after our 2 dogs.

At first I was angry he’s left the home. Something that when we had counselling he realised doesn’t solve any problems. Now I am just heartbroken and want him to come home so we can talk through what is wrong and what we can do to make it better. Tonight he said can I see the children Sunday to which I asked him what is going on. I am left in limbo with this space he needs. He said he has felt better the last 4 days than he has the last 8 months. He feels like a better person and a better father. I have constantly put him down and made him feel useless. Our relationship has holes in it and right now he doesn’t want to come home. He doesn’t want it to get messy but needs more time to think. He says the family holiday we went on 2 weeks ago was make or break for him (news to me) and that he spent 10 days walking our dd around in her pushchair getting her to nap but got no thanks for it?! How about the last 8 months of me devoting my body to my daughter and not getting any thanks for it?! Not that I require him to thank me for it anyway.

I think he has already checked out emotionally and is buying time to decide on the next move. I.e moving out, selling the house etc. When he comes to pick up DDs he’s very quick to leave and keeps any conversations to a bare minimum.

I am heartbroken and can’t believe that he has left because we are going through a rough patch. I have tried to tell him this isn’t forever. Our daughter will only be this small and need me this much once. I can’t help but think there are other reasons he’s not telling me about.

Another factor in our relationship is his drinking. He isn’t an alcoholic but he does have a problem when he relies on alcohol to relieve stress and generally doesn’t know when to stop. I do find him more confrontational and argumentative when drinking. I have tried to talk to him about this on numerous occasions but he doesn’t acknowledge there is a problem. He says on holiday I nagged him too much about drinking but he was allowed to drink because he was on holiday! I can’t deny that, I enjoyed a drink myself but when he’s drunk before we’ve gone out for our evening meal I do think that is a problem!

I have no idea what to do next. I feel like history is repeating itself but this time it’s worse. I could afford the mortgage on our old house but there is no way I can on the new one. Also I am still on maternity leave and my maternity payments have now stopped. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated

Sorry this was longer than I had hoped but I wanted to try and include as much info as possible

OP posts:
MrsTeaspoon · 09/08/2019 10:16

He’s not a good Dad! He’s swanned out/in/out of his 6 year old’s home-life and expects gratitude for basic parenting (every day with a baby is trying to get them to nap well!). Of course he’s feeling good now - he’s had proper sleep and no responsibilities these last few days!!!! That is worth more to him than his children and you.
You have the chance to say no more, and mean it. You are worth more than this - he’s used you for ease and goes when life at home is tiring. That’s not loving you/caring for you/being decent.
You deserve so much more.

Zaphodsotherhead · 09/08/2019 11:10

I can't get over him saying that he feels like a better person and father now he's moved ouot.

Of course he does! He's getting a good night's sleep, no expectations on him, he can turn up and parent when he feels like it, has his freedom the rest of the time - and he tries to put the blame on YOU?!

Parenthood is hard and thankless. I think he's just too immature for the whole thing, and your relationship isn't tough enough to withstand his desire to go back to being a carefree young adult. Sorry, OP, I think you're better off going it alone.

quirkycutekitch · 09/08/2019 11:26

Well done to you for Breastfeeding! However please don’t assume the baby isn’t a good sleeper because of this - my 1st was a terrible sleeper & my 2nd excellent both BF.

He’s not supporting you and one of times you need it the most - all babies are hard work x

StarGOLD · 09/08/2019 11:27

pebblemix and feministwithtitsin.....Spot on. Shameful behaviour from so-called Father. Your life OP sounds exhausting. Shed the man child and bring all the strength and power back to you and your children. You’re amazing.

Chakano · 09/08/2019 11:31

He isn't a good Dad or husband, and your relationship hasn't been working for years, marriage and further children would never have solved it.
Move on for the sake of your children.

Whosorrynow · 09/08/2019 11:32

He's not an amazing dad he's a flaky, lily livered, spineless bolter

Whosorrynow · 09/08/2019 11:37

You say that he was apprehensive about breastfeeding, I say he had clocked that if you breastfed he could use this as an excuse for not properly bonding with the baby, he was laying the groundwork, making sure he could use that to his advantage.

AlexaAmbidextra · 09/08/2019 11:46

he’s an amazing dad.

No he isn’t. He’s left his children.

MyCatHatesEverybody · 09/08/2019 11:51

I can see why you've put up with all his shit so far when you can write the opening post yet go on to say he's an amazing dad. What is he modelling to his DC? Your children have a drunk, feckless, commitment-shy arsehole for a father but you still think you can try and change him.

I'm guessing he is either your first serious relationship or that you previously went out with someone even worse? You and your children deserve better.

Sleepsoon7 · 09/08/2019 12:17

Time to make time to get your finances in order - whatever happens in the long term. Worth getting some financial advice as a basemark for discussions - Knowledge is power. Sounds shitty for you. In a way the fact he has moved out can help you draw that line between your old life together and the future. It won’t be easy but ultimately may be much better than what’s gone before. Good luck x

Mermaidsinthesand · 09/08/2019 22:30

You need to stop cherry picking the good little bits.

He is abusive, gets drunk around his children, leaves them when he wants space, beds other women soon after hes got rid of you

I appreciate it's hard to accept the man you married is an arsehole. Easier to think of good moments but I'd get ducks in a row from here onwards

Cherrysoup · 10/08/2019 00:10

He is not an amazing dad, expecting you to be pathetically grateful to him for looking after his own child. What a twat! He's checked out of the relationship, OP, sorry.

PickAChew · 10/08/2019 00:15

It's bloody horrible for you but, for your long term mental health, you need to give him the space of an entire fucking universe and not let him weedle his way back him when he's bored of his latest shag.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 10/08/2019 00:28

This is his pattern. You can either break it (by divorcing him) now, or this is the cycle you will be repeating for the rest of your life. That isn't a great example for your daughters.

IdblowJonSnow · 10/08/2019 00:47

He's not a good un op.
Let him go this time. It sounds exhausting. Imagine if he comes back, won't you just waiting for a similar thing to recur?
Use this time to have a think and look at your finances.
Good luck.

TheABC · 10/08/2019 01:05

Listen to "need a little time" by Beautiful South. It perfectly sums up your relationship.

If you take him back now, you will always be wondering when he next moved out. Not to mention his alcohol problems - you don't really sound that happy with him.

Get advice. Get angry. You are only in limbo until YOU make the decision not to be. It's a partnership, not a slave contract.

This is from someone who has breastfed for two years and knows just how difficult it is. A good dad would grumble and step up. Not disappear when the shitwork happens..

Cantsleep22 · 12/08/2019 05:25

Sorry for delayed reply. I have taken the girls on a prearranged camping trip. Husband stayed in the house to look after the dogs. We have cameras that send motion alerts. I thought it was strange Friday night I hadn’t had any alerts and guessed he’s switched the cameras off. I’m sure this would be enough to make any sane person question why. I got back yesterday and went up the loft to put camping stuff away. I can see a cable pulled out from the cameras. The feckless idiot thought that would stop the cameras recording, it did not. I have on recording him going out to his car at 7.40am on a sunday morning to get a can of lager out of the boot of his car. He’s also got a bin bag full of empty cans in the boot of his car that he’s graced my recycling bin with. I am so angry that he took the girls out in the car yesterday afternoon when we got back from camping after drinking at 7am. I am going to tell him today that if he wants to see them he can do in the house and I will go out. He is not to drive them anywhere. He’s also packed a suitcase of clothes and pretty much moved out. He still hasn’t said the words it’s over and is still wearing his wedding ring. He told dd yesterday that mommy and daddy aren’t getting on so he is staying at nannies. When he gets a house she can go and stay with him overnight. She is devastated and is currently in my bed tonight being comforted by me! I am here again trying to pick up the pieces and not getting any rest or sleep. It’s exhausting. I am getting legal advice this week. He’s currently not saying anything about the house so I am wary he is getting his own advice too so I am trying to keep one step ahead myself. I have a feeling this could get messy

OP posts:
pebblemix · 12/08/2019 06:47

Drinking at 7am?!! Jesus. Definitely get legal advice. You shouldn’t have to let him come in the house for him to see the kids. I can see why that makes sense for now but that needs to be established as your personal space. Can’t he have them at the house where he is staying?

Kko1986 · 12/08/2019 08:06

Hi OP
Firstly you are doing a brilliant job, I didn't get a chance to breastfeed my daughter beyond the first day as I was very poorly but amazing that you have x
Please get legal advice here as much as it hurts he is gone and you need security for you and the children. As other posters have said you don't want him deciding in a year or a few months to come back and doing it all over again when ever he gets stressed. You and you children deserve so much more.
Good luck

KTara · 12/08/2019 08:36

Well, not to defend the 7am drinking, but I would switch off any cameras watching me in my own home!

If you are concerned about his drinking, you cannot really agree to overnight contact when he has his own place, though.

It will probably get messy, yes, but you are doing the right thingFlowers

Skittlenommer · 12/08/2019 18:18

I’d beat him to the punch, seek legal advice and start divorce proceedings immediately.

Cantsleep22 · 13/08/2019 09:31

The cameras aren’t in the house they are outside. They are there to protect the property and now I am here on my own they are helping me feel more secure. Not sure why that is a problem. Him switching them off only suggests he’s doing something he doesn’t want me to see. Which is apparently true when he’s getting alcohol from his car boot at 7am on a Sunday morning. I have a solicitors appointment this afternoon then I will be getting a valuation done on the house and will start looking to move out. We have a big 4 bed house and it’s just too big and expensive for me and the girls. Moving out is my way of breaking ties and moving forwards

OP posts:
Cantsleep22 · 13/08/2019 09:33

Also is it realistic him wanting to see the girls every night?

OP posts:
AquaPris · 13/08/2019 09:35

Sounds like he doesn't understand what a newborn child entails tbh. Sex once a week is way more than we have and we don't even have children.

Maybe he just needed some sleep? I would possibly switch to bottle feeding now if you feel you could salvage the marriage but tbh you've split 4 times now... I'd let it die.

AquaPris · 13/08/2019 09:39

And no, he can have weekends and seek a contact order

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