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Is this acceptable?

65 replies

Catwoman234 · 04/08/2019 20:23

Wasn't sure where to post this but a few nights ago my partner bathed our 10 month old son. I was downstairs and could hear baby crying but he crys a lot lately due to teething and the heat so didn't think too much of it but after a couple of minutes of it getting louder I went up to check everything was OK. I went in and he was holding baby in a lying down position and saying you will lie there till you learn to let me wash your hair without fighting, he wasn't holding him roughly or tight but enough that he couldn't sit himself up and was getting more and more upset.
I got the towel and took baby out and asked what was going on, he said as soon as he lay baby down he started trying to sit up and crying, which he always does because now he can sit up in the bath he hates to lie down.
Partner thinks it's acceptable to hold baby in lying down position till he stops crying as eventually the time held in that position will get less and he will learn to just allow us to wash his hair.
Although I agree with the overall idea that doing something enough will teach a child to learn, such as naughty step/continually return to bed type thing, I don't think this is acceptable at 10 month old (in fact he's actually not quite 10month yet).
I tend to just lie him down quickly wash and rinse his hair, maybe taking a bit longer each time, then sit him up to wash and play. I know eventually he will need to learn and there will come a time to teach him that he needs to get his hair washed but I feel he is too young to actually understand consequences.
This has caused massive arguments as he thinks I am saying he isn't allowed to discipline our son and he needs to learn and not just be allowed to do whatever he wants.
This is obviously not the case at all I have no issue telling him no or stop touching or whatever but at the same time I don't actually expect him to take much in at this age i do it in the hope that one day he will take it in although when I tell him no he will stop and cry but soon enough will go back to whatever he was trying to touch in the first place but I do not think it is acceptable to hold him in position until he learns to stop.
I tried to use the example he fights at nappy change time too so by his logic rather than just quickly cleaning/changing and yes I suppose holding him in position for as long as that takes, I should be holding him in position until he stops fighting before I change his nappy as that is what he done with him in the bath but apparently thats different??
I'm due back to work in 2 weeks and I am now feeling uneasy about leaving him to do bath times, I know this isnt am I being u reasonable but am I? Is what he done out of order or am I over reacting to be mad about it?

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Halo1234 · 05/08/2019 01:16

You are not over reacting. Massive red flags that he thinks that's unacceptable and helpful. Absolutely awful way to treat a baby (anyone). Plus did he actually think it would work. Seriously. Surely he knew that baby wouldnt understand the point of the exercise was for him to stop crying. He seems to lack any awareness of the babys feelings and that the crying was communication (hey I dont like it when u wash my hair like this) and not something he should try and control or discipline. A loving dad would have reassured the baby and maybe tried a different way to wash his hair or did it as quickly as possible. He iant a loving dad. A horrible bully. I would worry for any child left alone with him based on his logic/parenting skills/lacking empathy.

Stapelberg · 05/08/2019 06:38

That is shocking and so, SO wrong! A 10 month old little one looks to you guys as his parents to keep him safe and make him feel secure. Unfortunately this kind of rough, bullying behaviour is having the exact opposite results. Your little boy will only learn to fear bathtime (and his uneducated, no-parenting-skills-whatesover-dad) and may end up with a permanent fear of water.
I would suggest you talk to your partner (husband? Can't remember sorry), and if you're worried he's going to be 'bossy' about it, ask someone you trust to be present, even maybe your partner's mum because as a mum surely she would not condone this kind of behaviour.
You can also ask your health visitor to be present and just generally raise the topic and ask her (with him present!) what the best way is to help the wee one over his fear of hair washing. Sounds like you've got your hands full and if I were you I'd think very carefully before I leave my potplant, let alone an impressionable, defenceless baby, with that man.
Hugs to you and the baby boy. Follow your instincts!

sheshootssheimplores · 05/08/2019 06:42

Woah this is weird OP!! You can’t discipline a baby!!! You can hardly discipline a toddler when they really start to get wilful!

Ozziewozzie · 05/08/2019 07:04

It’s abusive behaviour, narssasistic. Has to be in full control of everyone around.
Gaslights you to confuse you and make you doubt yourself.
All that will happen now is that his resentment towards you and baby will be tattooed. In his mind ‘you have both ‘scolded him’ ‘ got him into trouble’
That tower of resentment is building and he will NOT let it go. I wouldn’t leave your baby with him. If you do, get nanny cameras. You’ll see a few surprises.

dragonflyflew · 05/08/2019 07:11

I suggest you do all baths from now on. Another lovely way to do it is to bath together with baby in front of you between your legs then he can lean / lie back into you.
Dp sounds a cunt. You sound lovely. If you decide to stay with him I suggest family counselling and a parenting course. Someone mentioned getting health visitor involved this needs to happen ASAP . Maybe this is how he was parented and he doesn’t know any difference. It needs nipping in the bud now otherwise it’s going to screw up your child and you’re going to be a nervous wreck if you can’t trust him and he keeps trying to gaslight and dominate you. Get help ASAP and in the meantime don’t leave him alone with the baby x

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/08/2019 10:40

When I think of the tender gentleness of DH bathing our babies I can tell you that 100% what your DP did is abuse.

I'm sorry, this is bound to be bad news, but I'd have to separate from a man who did this and then refused to see that it was wrong. A mistake is one thing. Doubling down makes him dangerous. It's exactly the profile of those men who kill babies because they wouldn't stop crying/there was a y in the month.

catofdoom · 05/08/2019 12:35

That was abuse. I would leave my dh if he did anything like that to our son.

Whosorrynow · 05/08/2019 17:31

I'm due back to work in 2 weeks and I am now feeling uneasy about leaving him to do bath times
could it be part of a move to sabotage your career by making you feel as if it's not safe to leave him with your child?
My concern would be that this is the thin end of the wedge, if he can make you believe it's acceptable to discipline a baby will he escalate to something worse?

user1495741271 · 05/08/2019 17:59

From a Fathers perspective. Well no, actually, as a parent. Absolutely unacceptable, disgusting behaviour. The only things a 10 month old needsare cuddles, a hand to hold, food, a clean bum and parents that are kind and gentle and cuddles. Did I mention cuddles? What I mean by that is to not be afraid of Mum or Dad.
I’d kick him out. Shit, I’d kick MYSELF out if I did that to a child. Discipline? Really? If someone disciplined my child like that (or for that matter, I witnessed someone doing that to a child) I’m afraid I’d probably escalate the situation rather quickly with that person. I’m a gentle soul and sometimes my rather big physical size and ‘angry’ face (I’ve an unfortunate couple of face creases that make me look permanently angry) is mistaken. This time it wouldn’t be. What next OP? Perhaps holding your Sons head under water for a few seconds to really get the message across? I’d be getting the fuck out of there right now. Anger management issues? With a 10 month old? I do hope that you realise that this is not normal behaviour?

KevinMcCabe · 05/08/2019 18:20

WTF?

madcatladyforever · 05/08/2019 18:24

He is a controlling arsehole with issues for sure. I'd ask him to go and get some advice from social services and see if they think this is a great idea.
It's not about "winning" or breaking the child for fucks sake. He's only 10 months old.
If the father of my son had dared to behave like this I'd have gone mental.

RantyAnty · 05/08/2019 18:39

Your DP is an idiot. He thinks he knows it all.
Find a parenting class that covers child development and both of you go.

There is no reason to lay a baby down at all to wash their hair. Seriously how much hair could he possible have?

Put a tiny bit of shampoo and swish it around a few seconds and take a small cup and rinse it off. You can even just wash his hair with a flannel.

Lozzerbmc · 05/08/2019 18:50

How awful for you but you are not being unreasonable. Really worrying he thought that ok and that a soon to be 10 month old needs to be disciplined and treated in this way

SignedUpJust4This · 05/08/2019 21:24

This is so awful OP. I feel so sad for your child. this is abusive. That tiny baby has no idea what your OH is saying or trying to 'teach' him. All he knows is that his father is terrifying him and trying to drown him. This is likely to give your baby a fear of his father and of water. I cannot believe anyone thinks this is acceptable. And who lies a baby down to wash his hair? Have you not heard of a jug?? I would ever trust this man alone with my child.

MsDogLady · 06/08/2019 00:53

OP, your partner ABUSED your baby. This is horrifying. Never leave him alone with your son again, and don’t allow him to second guess you. He is a bully with dangerous ideas.

You should leave this man ASAP. I would report this incident to your health worker so it will be documented in case he fights supervised contact.

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