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Is this acceptable?

65 replies

Catwoman234 · 04/08/2019 20:23

Wasn't sure where to post this but a few nights ago my partner bathed our 10 month old son. I was downstairs and could hear baby crying but he crys a lot lately due to teething and the heat so didn't think too much of it but after a couple of minutes of it getting louder I went up to check everything was OK. I went in and he was holding baby in a lying down position and saying you will lie there till you learn to let me wash your hair without fighting, he wasn't holding him roughly or tight but enough that he couldn't sit himself up and was getting more and more upset.
I got the towel and took baby out and asked what was going on, he said as soon as he lay baby down he started trying to sit up and crying, which he always does because now he can sit up in the bath he hates to lie down.
Partner thinks it's acceptable to hold baby in lying down position till he stops crying as eventually the time held in that position will get less and he will learn to just allow us to wash his hair.
Although I agree with the overall idea that doing something enough will teach a child to learn, such as naughty step/continually return to bed type thing, I don't think this is acceptable at 10 month old (in fact he's actually not quite 10month yet).
I tend to just lie him down quickly wash and rinse his hair, maybe taking a bit longer each time, then sit him up to wash and play. I know eventually he will need to learn and there will come a time to teach him that he needs to get his hair washed but I feel he is too young to actually understand consequences.
This has caused massive arguments as he thinks I am saying he isn't allowed to discipline our son and he needs to learn and not just be allowed to do whatever he wants.
This is obviously not the case at all I have no issue telling him no or stop touching or whatever but at the same time I don't actually expect him to take much in at this age i do it in the hope that one day he will take it in although when I tell him no he will stop and cry but soon enough will go back to whatever he was trying to touch in the first place but I do not think it is acceptable to hold him in position until he learns to stop.
I tried to use the example he fights at nappy change time too so by his logic rather than just quickly cleaning/changing and yes I suppose holding him in position for as long as that takes, I should be holding him in position until he stops fighting before I change his nappy as that is what he done with him in the bath but apparently thats different??
I'm due back to work in 2 weeks and I am now feeling uneasy about leaving him to do bath times, I know this isnt am I being u reasonable but am I? Is what he done out of order or am I over reacting to be mad about it?

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Catwoman234 · 04/08/2019 21:43

@Mishappening I don't think I can live with either especially as he can't see that it is wrong at all, he just doesn't understand that 1 it is not acceptable behaviour and 2 even if it was a different situation and not such a dangerous thing baby is 10 months old, far too young to "learn" to behave or do as they are told.
Even if he would have admitted he was wrong, I would be angry and I would be a bit on edge for a while but I could have got past it if there was no repeat of any such behaviour but he still insists he wasn't wrong.
We both have older children from previous relationships so any decisions I make are going to affect a lot of people but I can't let this go, I knew I was right but as I said he almost convinced me I was over reacting now I know I definitely wasn't I need to make some plans it's just going to be so hard.

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Zillie77 · 04/08/2019 21:43

I used to jump in the shower with my babies and wash them that way. It was quick and easy. It does sound very harsh holding a 10 month old in a laying-down position.

Mary1935 · 04/08/2019 21:58

I’d be really worried about.leaving him alone with your child. You can discipline a baby. Local councils sometimes run parenting courses.
I suggest he does one or you have the conversation in front of the health visitor about his ideas. I suspect he has lots of other views about children and discipline but they haven’t come out yet.

Mary1935 · 04/08/2019 21:59

Can’t disipline

Allli · 04/08/2019 22:00

Your husband is being totally unreasonable, poor baby. Was he treated like that as a child, ie made to get used to something his parents thought he was playing up about? If so that’s why he’s doing this.
What do you think the child and family social workers would think if they found out. I’m really worried about the safety of your child. What will your dh do next?
Can you both do a parenting course or something. Book even?

Dunno what to suggest, but your man has some strange ideas and you need to find out where they are coming from. Quickly. And get him sorted. Ask his mother what he’s on about if she’s to blame. And don’t let her babysit if she is!

Catwoman234 · 04/08/2019 22:02

@Mary1935 I actually suggested we ask the health visitor what she thought to what he did and he just said their opinions mean nothing to him but at least if I did mention it to her I suppose she would need to involve social services so it might reduce his chances of unsupervised contact when we split.

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Catwoman234 · 04/08/2019 22:06

@Allli I don't think so, though he is nc with his mum and has been for years but actually I was held down as a child once, not sure what age but old enough to remember it and that's actually how he managed to convince me I was over reacting cause he asked what my fixation was with the holding down part so I told him and he said that's why I was overreacting cause i was "holding onto my past" or something like that.

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Whosorrynow · 04/08/2019 22:15

I find this very sinister 🙁
does your partner have a low IQ?
sorry, I know that's a very insulting question to ask but he really sounds nasty and /or thick

WhoKnewBeefStew · 04/08/2019 22:17

He's massively UR. You should never do that to a 10 month old baby.

Catwoman234 · 04/08/2019 22:20

@Whosorrynow, no he's actually really intelligent, has a really good job, a couple of degrees, one of them actually child development related, he obviously didn't learn anything from it though if he thinks this is acceptable (before any one panics further, he doesn't work with children).

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Pinkbonbon · 04/08/2019 22:32

Oh of course, the old turn it round on you game :/ op don't let him convince you you have 'issues'. Your only problem, is him.

Haffiana · 04/08/2019 22:59

A man who feels he needs to 'teach' a baby 'a lesson' has a serious developmental disorder. Something went wrong when he was growing up and as a result he is not a proper adult.

I would expect that he would also display anger issues when you don't do what he wants either.

If he genuinely cannot see that he is completely out of order then you have a safeguarding issue. At absolute best he will be a bad, heavy-handed father.

At worst he will be abusive. -How will he react when your child really challenges his authority? Will your son be treated with reason and understanding, or will he be forced into a submissive corner each time?

If your son grows up feeling he is unable to have some autonomy over his own life, then he will end up becoming a controlling adult as he tries to compensate for feeling unheard and worthless growing up. Then the whole sorry shit show will carry on with your future daughter-in-law and your grandchildren.

claybakefan · 04/08/2019 23:07

How does he parent his older children?

Overseasmom100 · 04/08/2019 23:09

No. This is not acceptable.

Whosorrynow · 04/08/2019 23:12

he sounds arrogant, controlling gaslighting :(

wtf is going on, have men realizing that women now expect them to do an equal share of parenting work, decided to just be abusive towards babies so that we have to take over because we cant trust them??

PumpkinP · 04/08/2019 23:24

Wow I don’t even lie my 2 year old down to wash her hair! Very concerning behaviour from him.

PennyPitStop19 · 04/08/2019 23:30

No. No. No!

Buttercup54321 · 05/08/2019 00:07

Massive red flags here. If hes like this with a baby then how bad will he be when the child is older? I couldnt be with someone like that.

Whosorrynow · 05/08/2019 00:12

What kind of person feels the need to discipline a baby??
my initial assumption was that he is a halfwit, upon learning that is far from the case I am even more horrified😟

readitandwept · 05/08/2019 00:18

Your partner sounds like an awful bully. I dread to think how he will treat your child when they are actively testing boundaries.

Sadiesnakes · 05/08/2019 00:32

It's child abuse. If ss were to get involved it wouldn't go well for your dp. He needs to cop the fuck on.

Asides, why are you washing your baby's hair by lying down rinsing in dirty soapy water? Surely a jug of fresh warm water from the tap, rinsed over is far less traumatic, not to mention much more hygienic?

Everafter1 · 05/08/2019 00:42

No!!! That made me upset reading that. That is not okay, good job you were there.

CuriousMama · 05/08/2019 00:59

Your poor baby. And you for having to leave it must be so scary. Thank goodness you've seen sense.

Yes it'll cause some uproar but you need to protect your baby. I'd get professionals involved to stop him having any future alone time with baby.

user764329056 · 05/08/2019 01:06

This has me feeling sick, your poor baby must have been terrified

SwordofGryffindor · 05/08/2019 01:14

What's your DP gonna be like when baby can walk :/ RED flag