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Was this unreasonable of me?

31 replies

ColdAndSad · 01/08/2019 16:42

I just want to know what everyone else thinks about this. Because I am being told that what I did was very hurtful and deliberately trouble-making, and I just don't get it.

My husband likes a drink. I think he drinks too much--anything between 80 and 150 units a week, although he denies that he drinks that much. When he drinks he gets obstreperous. He has anger issues, although again, he denies this: he's had letters from clients saying he's been abusive, letters from employees saying he "violently lost his temper and screamed down the phone" at them. He has a horrible temper, to the extent where I feel like I can't ask him anything without risking an outburst.

We had a horrible weekend where he got falling-down drunk on the friday night, shouted at me at length, calling me names, just because I mentioned that I was taking the cats to the vet the next day, then the next day he had no recollection of having shouted and said I was making it all up.

Then on the sunday I asked him what was happening with a business we own--it's heavy machinery which before Christmas 2018 he moved from our outbuildings into an industrial unit 30 miles away. It turns out that they've not yet been installed so aren't usable, so we've lost six months of income and grants from the installation, which we have now spent over £300,000 on and had no return on. He said that I was criticising him because I said he should have sorted it out by now; then he turned it all back onto me and told me I am not prepared to take responsibility for anything, that I am lazy, that I am interfering in his work, and so on. It was awful.

So on the monday I got up, really unhappy; realised I couldn't cope alone with his drinking and anger any more, and went to see his parents, desperate for help. I told them about how much he drinks, I told them about how he is abusive to me, and so angry so much of the time; and I told them how I'd discovered last year that he'd committed a fraud (to do with the machinery he moved but hasn't yet installed), and implicated me and our children in that fraud. I said I couldn't cope with his awful behaviour any more, and I needed their support to try to get him to get the help he needs.

They reacted by telling me I was making it all up, that he's a lovely man and would never lose his temper or drink to excess (despite his mother having told me years ago that he's a nasty drunk). They started to shout at me (I can see where he gets it from) so I left, came home, by which time they'd phoned him, told him all.

He came racing home, packed a bag, reduced our son to tears, and left, all without speaking to me.

That was a month ago. He has pretty much ignored me ever since, refusing to engage with me in any way. He's told me he left "because of your actions", which I assume means that I told his parents the truth about how he treats me, his drinking, and the fraud, all of which he of course denies.

Oh, and after he left I phoned his parents as I'd promised I would, and his mother said I should watch my back because she was coming after me. It was all just so dysfunctional and horrible. I understand that he doesn't want people to know about his drinking and his abuse and his fraud, and that it must have been difficult for his parents to hear: and I am relieved not to have him here any more, being angry and threatening and drunk.

But he and his family seem so convinced that it was wrong of me to speak to his parents as I did, and I wonder if it really was as bad as all that. I wasn't bitching about him, I was honestly desperate and thought that even though they don't like me much, they love him, and would want to help. With hindsight I can see that it was foolish of me to expect them to help; but I didn't intend it maliciously. Was it really that bad?

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BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 01/08/2019 16:48

No it wasn't bad and thank god he has left, best thing ever for you and your DS. Do not let him back.

Bluntness100 · 01/08/2019 16:54

Well if he's living with his parents then they will see it.

Be glad it's over, he's their problem now.

On the other hand I don't know why you ran to tell on him to his parents. Just leave the fucker if you don't like his behaviour. Have it out with him. You don't go running to his parents.

Atlasta · 01/08/2019 16:55

I personally wouldn't have gone to the parents. He's a grown man and am sure he feels embarrassed and it's a blow to him to have others know of his problems.
His parents sound like they already know what he is like and haven't taken kindly to having these problems brought into their lives, especially not by the person they thought was carrying the load. There could also be issues with them being frightened of him.
The most important thing however is that he is out of the house. You really need to leave him. It's not safe. I also wouldn't be fooled by promises to get help.

EastCoastDamsel · 01/08/2019 16:55

No, you where looking for help. They have behaved unreasonably.

It may not feel like it now (are there will probably be quite a lot of things to deal wit, that has resulted from his alcoholism) but you are better off with him out of the house.

Get in contact with Al Anon they are a great source of support to family and friends of Alcoholics

ithinkiammelting · 01/08/2019 16:59

Get yourself a good lawyer and divorce the bastard.

Nesssie · 01/08/2019 17:01

No you weren't U to go to his parents but they wouldn't have been my first choice. Most parents can't handle criticism of their children.

Probably did you a favour as now you are rid of him!

If/when people ask about it, you say you've split because he was a horrible alcoholic.

Get a lawyer, divorce him, get someone who will treat you better.

Pinkbonbon · 01/08/2019 17:03

Whole family of dysfunctional lunatics. Don't blame yourself, they have issues.

Keep him gone. Take whatever steps you need to to keep him gone from your life.

Winterlife · 01/08/2019 17:05

I would not have gone to his parents either. Never a good idea to include them in your relationship. However I understand your desperation. You did need to leave him, your actions accomplished that.

See a solicitor about dividing your assets.

ColdAndSad · 01/08/2019 17:10

I am already going to Al Anon. And I already worked out it was foolish of me to ask his parents for help and understanding. I didn't go to them with the intention of "running to tell on him", as some have suggested: I really was desperately unhappy and having spent two decades with him, I couldn't work out what else to do to get him to listen to me.

He's been gone a month and while I'm frightened about what will happen nextI'm sure he's going to be vindictive and obstructiveI already feel a bit better, not having to worry about what he's going to be like once he's drunk every night.

Thanks all for your support. It's appreciated.

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chickenyhead · 01/08/2019 17:10

Definitely best gone.

You didn't do anything unforgivable.

EastCoastDamsel · 01/08/2019 17:15

I am glad to hear you already have support @ColdAndSad. I hope you manage to get it sorted so that you are not too negatively affected financially.

Fannybaws52 · 01/08/2019 17:18

Get legal advice. You have a team of nasty idiots gunning for you. You have to extract yourself as cleanly as possible which means the fraud and custody. Dont hang around hoping he will come to his senses or be decent.

beenwhereyouare · 01/08/2019 17:25

I think you did the right thing. If anyone needs an intervention he does and that doesn't occur without the support of those who love him.

If you'd gone to someone else then his fraud might have been exposed. And if he needed hospitalization or rehab his family would have been angry that you never told them about his problems. You couldn't win no matter what you did because they would always have blamed you.

As someone else said, he's their problem now. They'll have seen his drinking, hostility, and confrontational behaviour by now. Let them have joy of him.

ColdAndSad · 01/08/2019 17:40

He's not staying with his parents. He spent a month in a hotel (how lovely!) and now has rented a house for himself. A whole house.

Don't worry, I am protecting myself and my children, and doing what needs to be done. I just don't want to say too much as he knows I come here, and I don't want to tip him off.

It's all so sad. If he'd talked to me, been reasonable, been kind. Instead he's just angry still, and is blanking me, which is making things even worse. He says he needs time but he's probably meeting up with our friends and bad-mouthing me to them, and seeing solicitors, and plotting against me. It's all so unnecessary.

I'll update you when I can. Thanks again for your kind words and support.

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Missingstreetlife · 01/08/2019 17:52

Don't worry what he is doing. Get yourself and the kids sorted

Troglod · 01/08/2019 18:32

Another one here who thinks you didn’t do anything wrong. It wasn’t ‘foolish’ to go to his parents for help. It was reasonable to ask for help from people who love him. This would all have been avoided if he had listened to you (and all the letters of complaint) when you tried to tell him there was a serious problem and he needed help.

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ColdAndSad · 01/08/2019 21:24

Thank you, everyone. I can't tell you how reassuring you're being. I was beginning to think that I must have done something awful, because of how strongly he and his family have reacted.

Looking back at our long relationship, he's never apologised or taken responsibility for his actions, or tried to make amends: he's always blamed me for when things go wrong, and berated me when he's got into trouble, and accused me of things I haven't even done in order to deflect attention from his own misdeeds. No wonder I feel in the wrong now: he's trained me into it.

I feel a lot better. Thank you.

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rumred · 01/08/2019 21:32

You need to reach out to good friends and I'd suggest counselling as you have lost sight of what's reasonable - the behaviours you describe are incredibly dysfunctional and abusive. Please prioritise yourself and children now, not that awful man.

PennyPittstop · 01/08/2019 21:35

I think it's natural to go to your spouse's parents if you need help over issues such as this. You haven't done anything wrong.
The drinking sounds horrendous. I don't know how you have stuck it for so long. As for screaming at clients, he should be thankful that he still has a business left! There aren't many industries where you can speak to paying customers like shite and still have a business.
In time he will realise that he has a problem. The trouble is that will be too late for your marriage, possibly too late for the business and maybe even too late for his health. At least you can protect your DC from his unreasonable behaviour. At the end of the day you can't force someone to accept help if they can't see a problem and don't want to be fixed, but that doesn't mean that you should accept living with a volatile and angry alcoholic. Flowers

PlinketyPlinketyPlonk · 01/08/2019 21:43

Was your visit to his parents a "please help, your son has alcohol issues" or was it more a spiteful "I'm off to tell your parents all about you!" and then letting it all out to them in an angry rant?

Not that In siding with him. He sounds horrendous, and quite frankly you're better out of such a volatile toxic relationship. But if your running off to tell his parents was more of an anger thing where you told them what an awful abusive son they have, rather than an actual genuine plea for help, it wouldn't help the situation.

But if you actually asked them for help I'd leave them all to it and count yourself lucky to be out of such a dysfunctional family.

Topseyt · 01/08/2019 22:39

The way you describe his parents' reaction reminds me very much of how my MIL would usually have reacted to criticism of my BIL, DH's brother, who was also a nasty and regular drunk. MIL was always in denial about his behaviour, had blinkers on and behaved as though the sun shone out of BIL's arse, even though she admitted sometimes that she found him scary.

BIL's ex wife, to whom he was abusive, learned never to confide in MIL. She always relayed everything to BIL, who then went on to cause more trouble for his ex.

I don't think you did anything wrong. It is probably for the best that he has left and might even be a great relief not having the atmosphere he causes in the house.

Make sure you have good legal advice. Do you have any of your own family and friends to confide in for support?

ColdAndSad · 02/08/2019 06:20

Was your visit to his parents a "please help, your son has alcohol issues" or was it more a spiteful "I'm off to tell your parents all about you!" and then letting it all out to them in an angry rant?

It was the former.

I started off by telling them that I was desperate, and that I was so very worried about him. That I knew it would be difficult for them to hear, but this was what he was doing. I told them I knew I'd enabled him to behave this way by not speaking out for so long, but that it was clear to me that his behaviours were escalating, and that if he didn't get help soon he would either end up dead or in prison. That I didn't want those things to happen to him, and so I needed their help in getting through to him, with the hope that he would recognise how bad things were and get the help he needed.

I definitely didn't go over there with the intention of telling tales, or scoring points. I wouldn't do that.

I am seeing a counsellor; I am relieved he is no longer here; I will get legal advice. I am estranged from my parents, who are abusive, awful people. I have no family of my own apart from them, a sister who sides with them, and my two sons, who are both lovely. I have few friends: since we moved here, over twenty years ago, my husband has alienated most of them (although he denies this, of course). Our house is very remote, in need of a lot of work, and I am quite vulnerable out here on my own, so I am slowly putting in place various things which will give me more protection.

Thanks again for your help and advice.

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Howdoyousleep · 02/08/2019 06:28

I’m not sure you should have gone to his parents but at least you have got rid of him so that’s a bonus.

Be wary about him calming down and trying to come back.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 02/08/2019 06:40

For goodness sake keep him gone.

Xxxx

Wallywobbles · 02/08/2019 06:48

For gods sake get a very good lawyer so you don't both end up in prison. And take their advice. But under no circumstances have him back.