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What's going on? DP's female friend

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BrokenHeartedAndBruised · 31/07/2019 22:17

I regularly post under a different username. Some of my posts would out me. Sorry it is a bit long.

DP has a female friend I have never met. After a string of events that looked a bit iffy he called me by her name when drunk, which caused the first row. Not only have I not met her but I have not met the mutual friends they have. He socialises with this group of friends (weekends away etc) and I know nothing about them, other than some of the men's first names.

He has admitted to taking her out for a meal, he has met her children at least once, and he said he had been to her house a few times.
She is a Facebook friend of his. I'm not and none of his fb info is visible. She is also on his contact list. I have not said I looked at her facebook.

Because he never mentioned her before he called me by her name, and because we had a big argument.I asked him to have nothing to do with her and he said Ok. When I saw a fb notification on his page a few weeks later when he showed me something on facebook I asked him to unfriend her caused a massive fight. He rang her and handed the phone to me. I didn't say anything.

He is a fb friend of hers and has liked something on her page since the big argument. There is a limit to what I can see on her facebook. I have not mentioned that I have looked at her facebook. I don't think he is the children's father.

We don't live together and it's a LDR. The other day, after he had been abroad for over a week and only been back 2 nights, I asked him what he did the previous evening as he hadn't texted or phoned. He said he'd ' had a few drinks and was with Br ' . Br being the first two letters of her name, Brenda (not really but it might be outing). I asked him who he was with and he said no-one, and described what he'd done that evening. He sounded quite angry that I asked and I made a jokey comment and we were ok for a few days. Was he with her or just trying to make me think he was?

After dwelling on this for a few days, I sent him a text saying ' you were with her on Sunday weren't you. ' I got a text back saying ' F off you psychopath '. I rang and he was drunk and raging at me on the phone.

It's strange that I have not met her or any of their mutual friends. I haven't seen photos or anything. Whenever I mention her he or I get very shouty. He has said that he has never been out with her, never shagged her or even kissed her. He never mentions her other than during the arguments.

One time, before he had to go abroad with work, I was at his place the few days before his trip, and he disappeared for about 3 hours the day before departure.

Other than during the arguments he's fine. He is aggressive during the arguments. Obviously, I have no right to stop him from being friends with her, and I was wrong to ask but I have no idea what is going on. I know that he can eat out with other people, but when he went with her for a meal on her birthday, he told me before that a few from this group of people were going, Afterwards, he admitted it was just the two of them and that he's arranged it because he felt sorry for her. He hasn't taken me out on my birthday for years.

What is going on and what can I do about it? I usually go NC and it works, but once either of us brings up her name there is a fight, so nothing is resolved. I don't want to confront her, and the only way I would meet her is to turn up unannounced. I know what she looks like from her fb profile.

I have no access to his phone.He phones me several times a day normally and tells me he loves me. He says he wants us to get past this. He's not answering my calls today.
The only thing wrong is caused by the secrecy around this woman and the group of friends. We don't argue about anything other than her.

What do I do? It can't be resolved without me being sure that there is nothing going on. There probably nothing going on but it looks like there is. Who is she and why is she so important to him?

He and I have been together for years. DCs are grown up.

OP posts:
thethoughtfox · 01/08/2019 08:08

If it was me, I would end it with him but not mention her and just say this relationship wasn't fulfilling for me or something.

Milkywayfan · 01/08/2019 08:08

Good call OP - and hope you will be OK through a tough period. Moving on is never easy and I hope it works out for you and you find a nice person later on - you sound like a nice person who deserves this

SouthernComforts · 01/08/2019 08:18

This doesn't sound like a real relationship, how many times have you actually met? You both sound like you have issues (alcohol, hoarding, jealousy), he doesn't sound like he likes you very much and you rarely meet in real life. All very odd and pretty pointless.

TwistyTop · 01/08/2019 08:19

Not sure why people are saying you are obsessed. He is quite clearly seeing someone else, I'm amazed that you've been as calm as you have.

Good for you for blocking his number. Fuck him. You can do SO MUCH BETTER.

DirtyDeeds · 01/08/2019 08:25

This is definitely one of the weirdest threads I’ve read Confused

isthismylifenow · 01/08/2019 08:44

What. OP why are you even bothering?

I just need to ask if you support him financially in any way?

isthismylifenow · 01/08/2019 08:46

Keep it blocked. If you are tempted to unblock, reread this thread.

And try to keep yourself busy to not let this consume you today.

Zoflorabore · 01/08/2019 09:02

Sadly I think op will lift the block pretty damn quick once she has time to think. Please don't!

Are we all wrong? Every one of us for thinking he's a shit and you deserve better?

This man could be doing anything, literally anything when he's not with you. He has pulled the oldest trick in the book over there being a bad signal when he's away for the weekend. He knows you're a soft touch.

I agree that you sound absolutely lovely. Time to put on your big girl pants and put him in his place. Let fucking Brenda have him. He stands to lose more than you op. You have everything to gain now, including your self respect.

Life is far too short to waste it on people who have such little respect for you. I hope everything works out well Flowers

C0untDucku1a · 01/08/2019 09:14

Op well done on blocking.
Now never unblock.
Find ways to
Move on and socialise with friends. Build a good life. Then you wont put up with shit like this again.

hellsbellsmelons · 01/08/2019 09:34

We don't live together and it's a LDR
Well then it's a total no-brainer.
Well done on blocking him.
Now work on yourself.
Understand why you put up with this for so long.
Get to grips with your hoarding and then move forward.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 01/08/2019 09:53

This doesn't sound like a very good relationship. You don't live together, you don't see each other often, he's made no attempt to introduce you to his friend groups, you're often bored when you are together, he plays with his phone all evening even though you don't see each other much, and that's before you even get to Brenda...

Who is she and why is she so important to him?

In all likelihood, either his ex-girlfriend, another one of his current girlfriends, or a 'project' that he's warming up to be his next girlfriend. He definitely seems to have a type - women who need an escape, whether that's you escaping from your clutter and hoarding, or women with eating disorders, etc. He likes to create a dependency on himself, so he can be needed, so he can be someone's support.

It's good that you've blocked him. Leave him blocked. He treats you appallingly and you're missing nothing here.

Can you get help to unclutter your house and reduce hoarding? Get friends round for a clean, hire a skip if there's loads of stuff?

SparklyMagpie · 01/08/2019 10:01

Regardless of anything else, this is not a relationship at all!

And you have kids?

BrokenHeartedAndBruised · 01/08/2019 10:23

We have been a couple for between a number of years, somewhere between 5 years and a decade. To begin with, he lived nearer me and we saw each other a lot. He moved in for a bit until he lost his job about 3.5 years ago and the one he got was nearer his home town. He seems to love his job. We are both independent, so the LDR wasn't causing us problems. Took a bit of getting used to but if you trust someone you can do it.

I have a fairly unusual job and much of the clutter is work or hobby related. If I said the hobby was dressmaking that would give you an idea of the amount of mess.

To those accusing me of jealousy, that is not true. This all started with the ' a group of us are going for a meal... ' I wasn't that impressed and thought it was a bit odd but didn't think too much of it. When I found out it was just him and her, I said I wan't happy about it - it looked like a date but because I trusted him. He had never mentioned her at all before this. It didn't cross my mind that there was anything going on, I objected because it crossed a boundary. We didn't row about it.

The weekends away had happened before but they became more frequent. About once a month instead of two or three times a year. Wasn't happy about it but didn't say more than that and let it go. If he was where he said they went, it is quite possible that there was scant mobile reception.

The excuse that he gave was because his friends are heavy drinkers. There is history of alcoholism in one side of my family so I rarely ever drink and don't even like it. I don't care if other people around me get drunk, up to them, but he says I'd look down on them. He said his friends would cajole me into having a few. He has used this repeatedly as an excuse for me not having met his friends.

Then there was the occasion. The not being invited was up to the couple, but it seemed off. Like I was invited and he didn't want me there or they didn't know about me. Whatever. Wasn't that cross about it. I trusted him. What made it strange was that there were no photos at all. I mean surely nearly all the guests would have had a camera on their phone. There were no photos of the weekends away either.

There might have been a few things where in hindsight looked a bit off after that but they could easily be explained by drunkenness or something. Nothing major. Things like getting no answer or not hearing from him. The odd occasion when his phone had gone flat because he left the charger at work or he had received so many phone calls that he switched the phone off, or his phone was broken.
Perfectly plausible all of it. Yes sure it seemed off but I trusted him.

I only became suspicious when he called me by the wrong name late one evening when he'd had a few drinks. Easy mistake to make. Why should I have been suspicious? A very popular first name - we all know several of them (as I said it's not really Brenda).

Why did I overreact? Because the scales dropped from my eyes.
I asked if anything was going on and then I thought maybe not but it looks like shit and smells like shit.

I still think there is probably nothing going on between him and Brenda. I do generally trust him, but my goodness it does look suspicious.

He is otherwise loving and lovable. I love him to bits apart from whatever it is that I don't know about. It is quite possibly nothing to do with Brenda, and I have told him this, but it's the him taking her out for a meal was the first suspicious thing I can think of.

I looked on facebook because that was all I had to go on. One of his friends has an unusual first name so was easy to find. I did think it was not right to have to do it. I couldn't see much as most of them had their privacy set to friends only I guess.

OP posts:
BrokenHeartedAndBruised · 01/08/2019 10:29

My DCs are adults. Both married with DCs. He has, to my knowledge, no DC. No financial dependency between him and me.

Yes the thread is weird. I have changed only some of the details. If he read it, he'd guess it was me. You couldn't make it up.

OP posts:
user1479305498 · 01/08/2019 10:34

The straight fact is he clearly has two of you on the go. OP, the fact that someone said ‘fuck off you psycopath’ Means I think you should do just that. This bloke is affecting your mental health, leave him to it!!

BrokenHeartedAndBruised · 01/08/2019 10:43

It isn't making me mentally ill but it could very easily have done, I'm just completely puzzled by what might it be that he's hiding from me. I really don't think it's another woman.
He's not worth the headspace is he.
I drew up a list a while ago of his bad points. I refer to it when I go NC with him - it works.

OP posts:
BrokenHeartedAndBruised · 01/08/2019 10:45

I'll add gaslighting to it. I'd better do some work.

OP posts:
Pepperstripe · 01/08/2019 11:01

You're not even listening to people's responses. It's clear this isn't a relationship but you just keep wittering on about 'Brenda' and FB.

BrokenHeartedAndBruised · 01/08/2019 11:10

You don't have to read it Pepperstripe.
I am taking on board the advice.

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Sunandrainallconfusedhere · 01/08/2019 11:18

Op you really deserve so much more. He isn't committed to you, he has no plans for a secure future with you. Imo your dp should be pretty much an open book. Yours most certainly isn't. He brings stress, anxiety and lies to the table.
Delete any method of contact so you aren't tempted. Reach out to a friend irl and take some time for yourself. You have been far too invested in him and his drama.

notacooldad · 01/08/2019 11:57

Jeez, your a grandmother!
Reading your posts I thought you were about 17 and naive.
No time for drama, get shut and move on with your life!
Who has time for all this shit?

GrassAndDaisies · 01/08/2019 12:06

You are extremely naive and are being used as a doormat.

GrassAndDaisies · 01/08/2019 12:07

I also thought early twenties, but you have grandchildren Shock

notacooldad · 01/08/2019 12:07

Meant you're a grandmother

SparklyMagpie · 01/08/2019 12:13
Shock
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