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I'm wondering whether to date again after domestic abuse or to accept that the relationship I want doesn't seem to exist

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AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 23/07/2019 20:43

There's something I keep thinking about and wanted to ask other women about. Just a disclaimer, I'm not actually a mother, I joined Mumsnet to participate in the feminism board so I hope that's ok.

A few years ago I realised something was wrong in my relationship when my ex threatened to hurt me after I'd said something he didn't like. I had this sudden realisation that I was not safe and, as if guided by some external or internal force, knew I needed to act normal and pretend I wasn't scared of him whilst quietly gathering up a few things to leave. I told him I was tired but I'd ring him in a few days then left then ended the relationship over the phone a few days later (which he was not happy about at all).

In the following days, I was so confused and doubted myself so I rang the national domestic abuse helpline. I expected they'd tell me my partner was not abusive and that he just had a bad temper or something, but they said I wasn't safe, classed me as medium risk and told me to call the police if he turned up. It was so terrifying, sickening and shocking because up until that point I thought I had this great boyfriend who 'occasionally said and did mean things.' I hadn't been with him for long but this event turned my life and perception of life completely on its head because I realised that so many things I'd thought were true and real were false and based on lies. He harassed me for a few months after that, not accepting it was over and I eventually went to the police which thankfully made him stop.

He was mostly emotionally and psychologically abusive but also sexually, physically and financially abusive in more subtle ways. He'd make mean comments about my body but then justify it somehow or say it was a joke. He'd be rough with my body, lean on me 'accidentally,' or grab my wrists suddenly. In bed he was cold and clinical after initially seeming like this really attentive partner. I realised it was just an act. He treated me callously, was no affectionate at all and once put his hands around my neck in bed and later denied this, angrily when I said I didn't like that sort of thing and could he please not do the again.

He always, always had an excuse for everything. I ended up having quite a lot of bruises and he told me that I must bruise easily. He always found a way for everything to be my fault and I mostly believed him and found myself apologising all the time. He was super tight with money despite boasting about earning a good salary and bonuses whilst I was looking for work trying to go self employed. He would manufacture it so that I'd have to buy all of our food when we stayed at his, whilst he ate the food at my house. ie. I was usually paying for our food and on trips out he would never buy my meal.

I also realised afterwards that he was cheating on me, possibly with prostitutes (I found something under his bed that clearly belonged to a woman and he said it belonged to his sister which didn't make any sense why it was under his bed). I also wonder if he cheated with men given some of the strange things he said like mentioning times he'd been naked with men and strange stories about his male friends sleeping with each other behind their girlfriends backs.

I read and read after leaving and realised that he fits the profile of a psychopath - charming, pathological liar, no remorse, no empathy, sees people as objects, callous and cruel, aggressive, sexually promiscuous as well as abusive, mainly psychologically.

I understand much more about domestic abuse now, have read some really helpful books on it and am in a forum that has helped me a lot. The issue is, it's been a few years but I now question entirely the notion of dating and partnering up with or marrying a man at all. I know they are not all abusive, but so many of them in my view behave so badly that I think, maybe life is best for women if they avoid men?

For example, my exes and most men I know expected me to pick up the bulk of the domestic tasks despite us not even living together. I found this astounding, like their brains are stuck in the 1950s. There's no way I want to be in a partnership with a man who expects me to clean up after him. But it seems, most of them do?

I also have a zero tolerance approach to cheating (which is difficult if they are good at lying and hiding it). I never accept cheating in a relationship, but saw a statistic that said 60% of married men cheat. I've never cheated, and would expect my partner to never cheat. It's fine if a man wants to be multiple women, but he doesn't get to be my partner if he does.

I think I just feel lost because I always expected I'd meet a man and get married and that it would be a happy, healthy relationship. That hasn't happened to me at all and I often wonder, does anyone experience that or are people just pretending? All those couples I see, are the men secretly abusive and cheating behind the happy smiles they show in public? Do most women turn their other cheek and expect their husbands to cheat? Do most women just do most of the housework and accept that as their fate?

I'm wondering what my future will look like since I cannot accept the above behaviour. But it seems most men behave like this (from my experience of relationships, men in my family, and men I have met whilst dating, some of whom turned out to be married and had lied to me saying they were divorced).

I'm currently focusing on getting my career on track, on looking after myself, learning how to be independent but often think what my future will look like.

Has anyone here actually got a really good, kind, faithful, loving partner or husband? I genuinely don't know if these relationships exist and I'm trying to make sense of everything and see whether it is worth dating again in the future or choosing to be alone intentionally. I'm late 30s now so not young in the dating world, but I feel mostly at peace with that, since I've let go of allowing men to make me feel bad for my age. I occasionally meet attractive men but when I do I start thinking, what if he's abusive too? What if he cheats, what if starts stalking me if I show interest? I feel like I cannot trust men at all in romantic relationships. They just don't seem to hold up their side of the bargain at best and at worse, they abuse, rape and murder us.

People often pity single women but I am starting to think that maybe it's actually a pretty good if not best choice for a lot of women. But, it's also not easy given that society still mostly expects people to couple up. I find it lonely because every woman I know is married now so I spend most of my time alone. This is fine most of the time but it's not good at weekends in particular where I often feel low and isolated.

Anyway thanks for listening and for your thoughts and advice on this.

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Theworldcouldbemymollusc · 23/07/2019 22:46

I’m afraid I can’t give you a great answer as I’ve just fled domestic abuse after 13 years. I’m asking myself some of these same questions.

PickAChew · 23/07/2019 22:52

DH is a goodun, even in his most withdrawn, autistic moments but yes, it would be healthy to pull back and learn this is me and this is how I do things.

Bobbie3 · 23/07/2019 22:56

Speaking as a (52 year old) man who fled an emotionally abusive relationship there is light at the end of the tunnel. Just be yourself, join clubs which interest you and see where it leads. Above all be true to yourself and don’t accept second best.

SuntanC · 23/07/2019 22:59

Hi AnotherAdultHumanFemale. I'm sorry to hear what you went through, but glad to hear that you're now away! I don't know if this will help or hinder you, but I left an abusive relationship 11 years ago, and finally went NC with him 10 years ago. At first I was actively dating, but I was definitely on red alert for anything that could be construed as a red flag. After a while (unintentionally) single, I realised I was actually fine with being single. I thought back to all the things I couldn't do before that I now could, how much more time I had for friends and family and generally how much less stress there was in my life. I have not looked for a relationship since, and can honestly say I have never regretted it. Life is just nicer now. I'd give being single a try for a year or so and see how you feel. At the very least you'll be prepared to meet the right person should they come along Smile all the best to you xx

bibliomania · 24/07/2019 13:47

Like Suntan, I find that single life can be rather wonderful. I've been on my own with dd for the last 10 years, and our home is calm and happy and I love being in charge of my self rather than having to negotiate with someone else.

There are decent men out there, so I'm not advising you to avoid all relationships because they're doomed. It's fine to enjoy them while they're good and leave them when they're not. But don't overlook the pleasures of the single life either.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 24/07/2019 22:00

Thank you everyone and Suntan and bibliomania in particular, it helps to know others have embraced singledom and are genuinely happy about it.

I definitely feel most at peace whilst single, and often get a bad gut feeling in relationships, but I'm never quite sure if that's because I've unfortunately chosen the wrong men. I do absolutely love aspects of being in a relationship, such as the companionship, someone to cook and eat meals with, go for walks, go on nice trips together, chat in the evening, curling up next to someone and sex if it's enjoyable. But there are a lot of aspects that stress me out a lot such as having to deal with their family, dealing with them being sarcastic, defensive, worrying about them cheating or staring at other women etc.

I think I'll just continue on as I am and if I meet a good single man I'll consider dating him, but I'm not going to base my life around the hope that I will. I found most of my exes made it difficult for me to focus and achieve my goals, some of them actively hindered me a lot, so it's great to be free and working on achieving my dreams now. It's taken me 2 years to get over the worst of the PTSD symptoms and be able to focus again on what matters to me so I'm not going to give that up in a hurry.

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TowelNumber42 · 24/07/2019 22:24

I have a lovely husband. I had poor role models growing up so I am pleased it has worked out for me.

Try the Freedom Programme to gain confidence in your ability to quickly weed out the bad ones.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 24/07/2019 22:27

Thank you Towel, I have actually signed up the the Freedom Programme, a lot of people have said it helped them. I think I will start it this weekend, thanks for reminding me. Also, that's good to know you found a good man. I think role models in childhood have such a big effect on how our lives can turn out. It took me experiencing domestic abuse to look at my childhood and my family and realise it wasn't quite what I'd thought. It's been really helpful to learn about healthy boundaries, and what a respectful relationship looks like.

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motherofcats81 · 24/07/2019 23:02

I feel much the same way @AnotherAdultHumanFemale. After a string of emotionally abusive relationships (in particular one which was also financially and at time sexually and physically abusive), I am now very happy with my single life. I had a bit of an epiphany after the last one when I realized I had never been happier in a relationship than I was on my own, and thought, well why do it then? I am not totally opposed to it if I met someone who was genuinely different and added good things to my life, but I am by no means looking. I think it's absolutely great to embrace that and if you do meet someone lovely as you say you can consider dating. But you are right, for a lot of women being single is a good choice!

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 24/07/2019 23:41

Thanks motherofcats (I too am a cat mother and it's the best job in the world!) I can really relate to what you said, I have never felt at peace in a relationship. It has caused me a lot of anxiety trying to work out why. It is probably because the men were always abusive, I just unfortunately had no idea since my 'normal' was warped.

Maybe I'd be happy with a non abusive good man, but another problem is I don't tend to find those sorts of men sexually attractive. I always find the high testosterone masculine men attractive who unfortunately often tend to be the bad eggs.

I guess we'll figure it out one day. I notice that a lot of women who have achieved great things in their life, both women living and women of history, stayed single and some didn't have children. By remaining single and not becoming mothers they had more time to focus on their goals. Obviously having a great partner and children is wonderful if you meet the right man and you enjoy being a mother but I've realised since my ex that this path isn't the best for every woman. In the end it's just what's right for the individual. I always thought I wanted to be a mother but the experience with my ex also made me question that. He was trying to manipulate me into unprotected sex by saying that he was too embarrassed to buy condoms or that we'd run out (then he'd suddenly 'find' some when I said no condom = no sex). I think he was trying to trap me, he seemed to want a sex and domestic slave and maybe a 'respectable' woman to be the mother of his children whilst he continued on having sex with all and sundry behind my back.

I thought about becoming a single mother by choice but due to my circumstances I wouldn't have much money and I don't have a big support network so I think it would make me very depressed, which of course would be very unfair to a child. The jury is still out on that decision too but at the moment I'm thinking maybe not being a mother might be the best choice for me.

Thank goodness I figured him out and escaped. Being single is definitely 100 times better than being with an abuser.

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bibliomania · 25/07/2019 09:49

Amen to that!

Babdoc · 25/07/2019 10:03

OP, I think you hit the nail on the head when you commented that you are only attracted to the wrong sort of man - the aggressive, high testosterone macho type, who are more likely to be abusive.
You seem to have bought in to the patriarchy’s idea of what constitutes a man.
It would be safest for you not to date again until you have analysed this carefully, possibly with the help of a therapist. Otherwise you will just set yourself up for repeated abuse, like so many battered ex wives who get trapped in a pattern of violent relationships.
It might help you to look at what you learned about relationships in childhood. What sort of marriage was role modelled to you by your parents for example?
Some battered women crave the drama of a violent relationship, or think the violence means that “he cares”, because he’s not ignoring them. It’s beyond sad - please don’t become another domestic murder statistic.
And well done for leaving your abuser. The hands round neck situation is a major flag for future violence or murder.
Good luck with the Freedom program, and best wishes for a happy future, either single or with a loving man who does not think manliness =assaulting women.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 26/07/2019 16:30

I know you were trying to be helpful Badoc but your reply bothered me. I've already spent two years analysing this, seeking therapy and reading to avoiding 'becoming another statistic' as you state. Of course, who would want to end up murdered by their partner.

I also resent the word 'battered,' nobody is a 'battered woman,' we are survivors of domestic abuse. Most of the abuse I experience was non physical too, so it is jarring to hear it described like that.

I don't think that violent men are attractive, but as a straight woman I am attracted to masculine men the same way a lot of straight men are attracted to feminine women. I have avoided dating, but clearly I'm not going to be able to rewire myself to find effeminate men attractive.

I also don't 'crave drama.'

The reason I ended up with these men is because of, in my therapist's words, Repetition Compulsion. My brother is a classic narcissist and was abusive to me growing up, mainly emotionally. My mum adores him and I always thought I was annoying and desperately wanted him to like me. So I subconsciously sought out men similar to him to get that approval I craved. This is similar to how women with alcoholic fathers often end up dating alcoholics.

I do appreciate you were trying to help but the misconceptions around domestic abuse bother me and are frankly very insulting to survivors because they make us sound like sad loserish women who crave horrible violent loserish men when that is far from the truth. It is usually rooted in psychology from our childhoods and what our 'normal' was growing up. If your normal was warped in some way, then it causes you problems later on until you seek therapy.

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Babdoc · 26/07/2019 17:10

OP, you have astutely identified the likely causative factors in your own childhood, but you cannot extrapolate from that to saying that all women in abusive relationships are the same as you, or that none crave drama or seek repeated violent relationships.
I have seen plenty of patients, and indeed some of my own relatives, who absolutely do fit that pattern.
And I was not denigrating them in any way - they are the victims of their early programming, just as you are, and they are just as much in need of the help that they often, paradoxically, refuse to engage with.
The police domestic violence staff will tell you that their biggest problem is often victims withdrawing charges and going back to their abusers. That is certainly something I’ve seen in my own experience - it can take women years of repeated abuse before they accept the advice to leave.
I hope you manage to find your way to a happier life - whether on your own, or in a healthy relationship of mutual respect and love. Best wishes.

funnylittlefloozie · 26/07/2019 17:25

Just FYI, there are a lot of men on the continuum between ""aggressively macho / testosterone-hyped" and effeminate. Lots. Most if them, in fact.

Nothing wrong with staying single if that what you want. But there are good decent men out there, again, if thats what you want.

Antibles · 26/07/2019 18:26

Hi OP. Realising you have been in a relationship with a psychopathic type is a very frightening experience and I think it can actually leave people highly traumatised Flowers. It does turn your perceptions on their head in a very shocking way. You are to be congratulated on working out what you were dealing with and getting out. It's no wonder you're on high alert with potential new partners.

I don't think you're wrong at all to be cautious. I think the patriarchy still sells very successfully the lie that we must have a man and chldren to be truly happy and fulfilled in life and that we are somehow lacking if we don't. Yet research says that, in general, women are on average happier unmarried, and men happier when married. Which is hardly surprising when research also shows who bears the majority burden of childcare, housework and 'wifework'. And don't get me started on porn. What's the chance of finding a man who doesn't fuel the porn industry and have a vested interest in supporting the argument that their partner has no right to feel betrayed by him gawping at multiple other women's breasts and vaginas online but should be fine with it? Sad

75Renarde · 26/07/2019 18:37

OP. I commend you, you brave and intelligent woman. You are SO on the right track, it's frankly frightening.

Presumably, you have worked out on your own, that you are not safe. You're not. Not until you become 'weaponised'. And you're half there already.

My recommendation is that you keep your powder dry, I did this for seven months myself, and learn from the expert. narcsite.com - HG Tudor.

You won't be disappointed! And Flowers

I do adore freethinkers!

75Renarde · 26/07/2019 18:37

Oh and Empaths! Which you are clearly one.

iklboo · 26/07/2019 18:43

There is light at the end of the tunnel. I was in an abusive relationship (in every way) from 14-28 years old. He left me for someone else after many cheating episodes.

I've been married to DH for 15 years who hasn't so much as raised his voice to me, never mind a hand. He has totally helped me rebuild myself and my confidence. There are good people out there.

userabcname · 26/07/2019 18:54

I can only speak for myself but my husband is definitely not like the ones you describe. He's kind, caring, easy-going, does more than his fair share around the house, hands on dad, quite a gentle soul really. I feel very comfortable with him and we rarely fall out / argue. When we do there is no name-calling or threats. We are good friends as well as husband and wife and definitely feel like a team. Of course, I don't know what he does behind my back but I don't believe he has cheated on me and I certainly haven't cheated on him. I also don't know what the future holds but we've been together 7 years and I'm hoping things continue as they are. I think it is very much possible to be in a happy, functional relationship but honestly I think a lot of it comes down to luck - I happened to meet DH online and know so many horror stories from OLD yet it worked for me.

MollyButton · 26/07/2019 19:00

I think do the Freedom Programme and work on yourself - and then see what happens.
You don't have to make a decision today for the rest of your life.

Jaffacakesaremyfave · 26/07/2019 20:05

OP, I really can identify with everything you have written. I too have only ever been in abusive relationships and have been stalked and harassed in the past with police involvement.

I'm actively deciding to stay single for the moment and have done alot of work to find out why I keep 'attracting' abusive men.

Things I've realised which may resonate with you are:

  • I'm definitely an empath and codependent. My father was emotionally abusive to my mother and I grew up feeling ignored unless I achieved success academically (resulting in low self esteem, perfectionism and a harsh and critical internal voice)
  • I sought out 'macho' types as I believe on a subconscious level I was trying to fix childhood wounds by being with a harsh and critical man (like my father)
  • Because i had grown up around abuse, i found it very difficult to spot red flags early in a relationship (almost like i was immune to them) and learning about these and also about narcissism and psychopathy has been really empowering as I'm starting to feel more confident to date again as I hope I would be able to see them much earlier now. Like you, what puts me off is that even if you spot them early on, you run the risk of being stalked for ending things and I guess the only defence against that is not revealing anything about yourself (your address, workplace etc) until you have had time to assess things.
  • Most of my friends and family members are with abusive men, so it can feel like they are all like that sometimes but as the mother of 3 DS and knowing some genuinely lovely men, I know that this isn't true.

I found once I really learned what motivates abusive men, I became instantly repulsed by red flags because I know they really are just a warning sign of what is to come. I've also realised that i wasnt ever really in a place myself to be in a relationship because i had to heal those past wounds to be able to see the bigger picture.

I now try to practice self care as often as possible, invest more in my non romantic relationships which are alot more fulfilling, challenge my negative inner voice (that was likely learned in childhood and reinforced by abusive men) and create clear boundaries and assert them, no matter how uncomfortable it makes me feel (that's the people pleaser in me).

I also fight the urge to be in a relationship until I am ready because I know that alot of my lonliness is deep rooted in codependency and I refuse to be that person anymore. Essentially, I refuse to ever be in a relationship again that is anything but mutually loving and respectful and I've made peace with the fact that even if I never find that, I would choose to be alone a million times over than be with an abusive man again.

I think the freedom programme is great and theres also some really good videos on youtube about narcissism and codependency. Lisa Romano is my favourite as well as little shaman and Derril Jaxn.

You sound like a really lovely person OP and it sounds like you have finally become more aware (you are no longer 'beneath the veil) about the reality of society. There are some truly evil people in this world but also some truly amazing ones too. You need to learn to cut out the bad ones at the first sign of trouble and hold on to the good ones.

Jaffacakesaremyfave · 26/07/2019 20:15

P.s healing from a narcissistically abusive relationship (narcissism is one of the elements of psychopathy so they go hand in hand) is much more complex than healing from one where things simply didnt work out.

It can really shake you to your core so you need to give yourself time to heal. Healing is never a linear process and you may at times feel hyper vigilant as you do now, but I promise this eases over time and soon you will find the confidence and trust in yourself that you will not fall for the same patterns as before and that you will be OK no matter what.

I believe my DC's father is a psychopath (highly abusive horrible man) who made the best part of my 20's a living nightmare. At the time, I really couldn't see the purpose of any of it and I never thought I would be able to live with what happened to me and my DC.

Since being no contact for 3 years, I can see how surviving all of that has made me a strong person and I now trust myself that I can get through almost anything. Women who have survived abusive relationships are some of the bravest people I know. You survived and learned some very difficult lessons but dont let it define who you are in the future because if you do, ultimately he will have won by stopping you from enjoying life and putting him firmly in the past.

Theworldcouldbemymollusc · 26/07/2019 22:41

@Jaffacakesaremyfave -very insightful posts. Also very helpful for me personally so thank you

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 28/07/2019 01:11

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all of the kind insightful replies.

Jaffacakesaremyfave it sounds like we have lived really similar lives, I'm sorry you've been through it too but it's comforting to know others can relate and are also reading similar things about narcissists and psychopaths. So many people think you're crazy if you say you dated a psychopath, they don't realise these people exist in real life and look and sound completely normal. If you've not read it yet I highly recommend the book Psychopath Free by Jackson McKenzie as well as Why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft. I really like Lisa Romano! I haven't head of the other two you mentioned so will check them out. My favourites are Thrive after Abuse channel (run by Dana, who survived two horrendous relationships with narcs and also used to work with DA survivors), Chris Godinez who is a US therapist who totally understands narcissistic abuse, and Inner Integration channel. I must have watched hundreds of these sorts of videos and they really have helped. I'm doing a similar approach to you with self care and focusing on friendships instead, it definitely feels more peaceful that way. I will never use dating sites again, they always make me absolutely miserable and they are choc full of predators. Someone online pointed out that predators on dating sites look amazing because they are surrounded by men who write vulgar things in poor grammar. It made me laugh and I thought it was a really good point. My ex appeared exactly like that - he was clean, shaven, polite, educated, had a good job, dressed nicely, smelt nice and had showered and was very friendly, sociable and enjoyable to spend time with at first, before his true colours showed and I realised it was all a frightening false act of normality. I hope your healing continues to go well and feel free to send me a message if you want to talk more about it.

75Renard thank you so much for your kind comments, it cheered me up when I read them after a difficult day. I do think I'm on the right track, it's just a slow process, slower than I expected really. I guess it takes time to heal after being involved with a psychopath due to the trauma they cause.

Antibles thank you for your kind words. I totally agree with you about healing from psychopaths and also about porn. I used to just block out the thought of my exes watching porn, I think women worldwide are gaslighted and coerced into 'accepting it as normal' when in reality it's abhorrent that our partners are getting off to explicit videos of often very young women who are being abused on camera. I read their average life expectancy is aged 37 which I think tells us everything we need to know about the porn industry.

To the ladies who have met and are with good kind men, I'm genuinely happy for you, it is lovely to know. Enjoy. I do think good men exist, there is just maybe not that many of them, but then again I have a biased mindset due to the men in my family and all of my exes being narcissistic in various ways.

I do definitely feel more at peace being alone forever, as I've learnt there are always compromises in relationships, and I think some compromises make me very unhappy and ill at ease.

Finally, I couldn't let the misinformed comments about domestic abuse survivors go unchallenged. I know a lot of survivors after joining another forum and they helped me massively when I first left, and now I help women who are still trapped with abusers and confused or who have just left. Like another poster said, survivors are incredibly strong as a result of what they have been through and these are some of the best, strongest, most courageous women I've ever met so I can't have them be spoken about badly on here.

It's true that it takes on average a victim of abuse to leave 7 times and it is also true that police find it hard sometimes to get statements out of victims and survivors. There are many reasons for this including:

  • Trauma Bonding/Stockholm syndrome. Of all of the reasons, I'd say this is the no 1 reason having heard lots of victims share their stories whilst still trapped. They are gaslighted and brainwashed by the abusers to doubt themselves, their own perceptions, and also feel incapable of surviving by themselves. They often feel sorry for the abuser and worried he will go to jail - they remember him during the honeymoon period and feel guilty. Abusers use FOG - Fear, Obligation and Guilt very effectively to keep a victim trapped and thinking of his needs over her own. They also use the mean-sweet cycle - nobody would stay with an abuser if he was nice all the time. Abusers are often the most charming people when they want to manipulate you.
  • Fear. She knows her partner may hurt or kill her if she tries to leave or succeeds in leaving.
  • She knows her partner may stalk and harass her for life if she leaves and the law is still more on the side of the abuser than the survivor in this area (she may have to leave her job, home and change her identity to escape from this).
  • Money. Abusers isolate their victims and encourage them to quit their jobs, "I'll look after you" they say. Abusers also often control household money, so the victim has no job and no savings making it extremely difficult to leave.
  • Children and pets. She worries for the safety of her children and pets, abusers often threaten to hurt them or take them, and also she'll need to find a new place to live. It's frightening and daunting and feels impossible.
  • The abuser threatens to report her for perceived crimes so she stays by him, silent and in fear.

These are just a few of the reasons women stay. It's nothing to do with 'craving drama' or 'being difficult' or 'liking violent men.' Nobody goes on a date and gets hit and thinks 'wow he's great.' Abusers never start abusing at the beginning, they are always extremely charming and appear to be the man of your dreams when you first meet. They do this by mirroring the victim, using flattery, lying, attention, gifts, intense focus etc. It's intoxicating, gives the victim a dopamine high like taking cocaine and for the rest of the relationship she is chasing that dopamine high, not violence.

The police, social services and counsellors should be better trained in working with abuse victims and survivors so that they understand the dynamics better so they don't continue perpetuating these myths and misconceptions which only work to continue to taboo and stigma victims and survivors experience. Much of it is simply victim blaming, the same way some people talk about rape victims saying things like "well she was asking for it, she was wearing a short skirt" they say "well she craves drama, she loves violence, maybe she winds him up, what does she expect."

No, just no. Anyone who speaks of victims and survivors in this way is indeed denigrating them and could do with reading more about domestic abuse to update their archaic, misogynistic and patronising attitude.

Thanks to everyone else for being awesome and understanding.

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