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DH trying to change

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Flippyfloppy11 · 24/06/2019 20:20

I'm new to MN as a user but a long time lurked.

Alot of history to condense but bear with me...

Been with DH 10 years, 2 young children.
He was a little shit, always putting himself first and partying, sometimes not coming home till 7am the next day.
I basically brought up our first child for the first 3 years alone and he now fully admits this.
It all came to a head 2 years ago, he was out every weekend, starting arguments to enable him to storm out and do what he wanted, he became verbally abusive and pretty narcissistic.
Anyway, I finally left him and it turned out that he had a cocaine addiction. Was even using at work and at home and I was none the wiser!!
He went to AA and has been sober just over a year now. And in that year we got back together.
The first 6 months were fine but I would say these last 6 months he has started to become selfish again, threatens to have sex with other people if I dont have sex with him, has stopped helping around the house and is generally moody and not nice at times but nothing as bad as he used to be.
If I talk to him, he gets annoyed and after a few weeks of moaning and arguing he does start to put in effort and is great again but then it all starts slipping back to selfish, not nice behaviour.
It is a constant cycle, round and round.

Has anyone had similar experience? Anyone give me there opinion on this.
I'm torn between keep trying for the kids or to be happy alone and focus on myself.

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caringdenise009 · 24/06/2019 20:30

Perhaps if you look at it differently and ask yourself, should I bring up my children in a failed relationship and screw their lives up, or make the break and let them grow up secure, happy and stable in a happy home, that would make the decision easier. I can assure you that from what you have said you will eventually leave him. Don't make your children suffer from your indecision. My parents staggered through their marriage until the youngest was through o levels and I cannot describe the harm those years did to us, which is reflected in all our adult relationships. End it as soon as you can and make a better life for you and your children.

MadeForThis · 24/06/2019 20:46

It's not his addiction that's the problem. It's him.
He's a dick. He only cares about himself.

Flippyfloppy11 · 24/06/2019 22:20

Thank you @caringdenise009 @MadeForThis

I think what makes the cycle so hard is the blame game, the constant tit for tat. If I mention his bad behaviour then he fires back with something I did wrong like not thank him for doing the dishwasher then manages to turn the whole point I was making to be my fault.
That I cause all of his poor choices and shitty behaviour.

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Theworldcouldbemymollusc · 24/06/2019 22:26

Abuse is a cycle - no one would stay if it was all bad - they treat you badly and then reel you back in until the next time. Narcissistic people rarely change and counselling is mostly pointless. Abusive men rarely change. How many chances will you give him?

TemporaryPermanent · 24/06/2019 22:29

Threatens he'll have sex with someone else if you font have sex with him??

That's just nasty. quick way to kill love. Do you actually still love him and if so why

RandomMess · 24/06/2019 22:36

There is nothing worth saving 🤷🏽‍♀️

altiara · 25/06/2019 00:02

Imagine your friend told you this about her husband - threatens to have sex with other people, won’t help around the house, is moody and selfish.
What would you tell her to do?
And is this a relationship you want to show your kids?

lilredrooster · 25/06/2019 00:02

Hi Flippyfloppy, I'm a new poster today too with a not too disimilar predicament, and can totally understand where you're coming from.

I think you've done well to come this far with him- you've given him 10 years of your life, children and all the security and love that comes with that. I think focussing on yourself or focussing on your kids aren't mutually exclusive - as you say, you've done most of the hard work and nurturing by yourself anyway, and they may benefit and understand things better than you think (my 5yo has been an inspiration since my recent separation).

It is easy for others to criticise and tell you to leave, but in practice the world is often systematically pitched against women, and going it alone (at least for a while) takes careful planning, and emotional strength (something I struggle with). You have already made an important step in asking for support.

We cannot change a dysfunctional partner, and though he has made a decision to change, I think addiction can take decades to overcome fully, with possible relapses along the way. You may want to support him, but you don't have to put yourself and your kids in the firing line and there is the real possibility he may never change, addiction or not. What would you lose if you stay to find out?

I think there is a better life out there for you, and if you need a bolster or a rant (I do!) you are welcome to PM me.

PicsInRed · 25/06/2019 00:08

He's not trying to change.
Trying = effort.
He's not trying.

HeddaGarbled · 25/06/2019 00:11

He threatens to have sex with other people if you don’t have sex with him? That’s abusive. He is a bad person and you need to get away from him.

MsDogLady · 25/06/2019 01:56

Flippy, his behavior may not be as bad as before, but what you’re describing is despicable. He coerces you into having sex by threatening to cheat, is moody and argumentative, won’t help around the house, and if you try to have a discussion, he shifts the blame to you.

He has given you only 6 good months out of 10 years. Your children will be damaged by this toxic environment and relationship model.

Why would you choose to live with his abuse and contempt even one more day?

Shoxfordian · 25/06/2019 05:58

Doesn't sound like he's trying to change at all
He was nice for six months, now he thinks he has you back, he can start being horrible again. End the cycle and divorce him

rosemarysalted · 25/06/2019 06:49

Just end the relationship. He has proved he's unable to change for the better. Don't waste anymore time, energy or emotion on this idiot.

AnyFucker · 25/06/2019 07:00

He is an abuser. He will not change.

LizzieSiddal · 25/06/2019 07:01

He’s been beating dreadfully for years, and you’ve forgiven him all that time. You even split up and you taken him back.

He’s still treating you dreadfully. He is never going to be the husband and father he should be.

Leave him and go and enjoy your life. You deserve so much better.

user1472545917 · 25/06/2019 08:42

I read your comments with great sadness. I am in my fifties and have been married to a professional man for 26 years who had a highly pressured job but each night he came home and bullied and mentally abused me. I held it all in for years as my daughters were growing up but my family could see a change in me, the light had gone out and I was just letting him do it because didn’t want to upset our family life.
How silly was I !!

10 years ago whilst on holiday I had a melt down and told him how unhappy he made me and that he had to change or else. We went to counselling and he tried but what I realised is that after years of being treated badly I had lost all respect and although I had love for him, i wasnt in love with him and couldn’t be close to him in any way. I went completely off sex, as I didn’t want him near me.

9 years on I decided to stand up to him ( sounds pathetic because I’m a capable woman but I’ve been been frightened years). I put our house on the market after a huge battle, and this year I am moving out into a rented house. I’m hugely sad a thing leaving the family home because I’ve loved the place but but I know I can have a happier life on my own. Both daughters support me.

Sorry to have rambled but I’m trying to say even though they say they’ll change, they don’t and everyone else suffers.
Please use your energy to try to find a new place for you and your children to grow up free of this tyrant who feels he can’t just be exactly how he wants to be and everyone else just has to accept it.
You deserve better, and in years to come you’ll wonder like me why you did stay so long. I always hoped he’d see the light, but leopards don’t change their spots.
Talk to only close friends who you know fully support you, confide in your parents and see if they can help with childcare if you get a part time job. I did a computer course and got myself a new job which helped my confidence.
YOu can do this, i promise you won’t regret being in a free environment. Your children will be happier because their mum is happier. Don’t suffer any longer, start living your life.
If I can do it son can you - good luck 😘

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/06/2019 08:57

I think he's relapsed, but he's not nearly taking as much as he did before.

Or he's a selfish, abusive prick.

Or both.

Either way, cut him loose OP.

Flippyfloppy11 · 25/06/2019 12:30

You all have no idea how much I appreciate everything you say.

Its reassuring to hear that I'm not going crazy to feel that how he acts is wrong.
And I think I have some thinking to do.

In answer to some questions, if a friend was telling g me that this was happening to her I would tell her to run.
I would be utterly ashamed and disappointed if either of our children turned out anything like him and treated their partners like this!!!

I work part-time at the moment, our youngest has additional needs so I gave up my full time job to care for him but then realised that I was becoming too dependent on my husband and felt that if I ever wanted to leave I didnt want to feel like I couldn't due to finances.

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PeoniesarePink · 25/06/2019 12:32

You need to break your addiction to him, in the nicest possible way.

Don't you and the kids deserve better?

BonAccordSpur · 25/06/2019 12:40

What the hell are you&yourDC getting out of this'family'set-up? It sounds hellish..literally the behaviours being modelled in your house-hold are so damaging to children.Narcissits never change-he's proved he's one consistancy is his damaging&manupulative behaviour.

Flippyfloppy11 · 25/06/2019 12:40

And in answer to other questions the reasons I stay are:
I love my house and could never afford it alone so would have to sell and would loose money as we would have to leave our mortgage deal early.
And I worry the kids would hate me if I left there dad.

I care for him but I'm not in love with him, I resent him and I wish I could forgive and forget but I struggle and it's all the guilt I feel trying to keep everyone happy. No matter what decision I make someone will be upset with it

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Shoxfordian · 25/06/2019 13:02

You need to make the best decision for you though. Don't stay with him

AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/06/2019 13:20

FlippyFloppy11,

re your comment:-

"And in answer to other questions the reasons I stay are:
I love my house and could never afford it alone so would have to sell and would loose money as we would have to leave our mortgage deal early.
And I worry the kids would hate me if I left there dad"

Frankly these are terrible reasons for staying with your abuser. You're citing losing the house that you love and losing cash if you were to leave your mortgage deal early!. C'mon get your head out of the sand here!!!.

And no, they will instead come to despise you over the forthcoming years for staying with him. You have a choice re this man, they do not. You can choose not to be abused by him any longer.

Re your kids also they certainly won't stay "thanks mum" to you if you choose to stay with him. They could well accuse you of being weak and putting him before them.

Your own relationship with them as adults could be affected if you stayed, whose sake are you really staying for?. Its not for your kids sake, it could be argued its really for yours.As our children grow older, they tend to replicate relationships similar to what their parents modeled. As parents we’d never say we want our children to suffer or struggle in their relationships. Yet that’s the greater likelihood. It’s not what we say, but what we do that matters. Telling our children they deserve healthy, respectful, and loving partnerships isn’t taken to heart if we don’t have the courage to live up to our own words. What we model for them is very much what we might expect for them in their future relationships. From this perspective we might question the sincerity of the expression “for the sake of the children.”

If we want our offspring to have joyful and successful relationships, we need to provide them with the best example we possibly can. Living in mediocrity or worse burdens children with very confusing messages about relationships and happiness. It certainly instructs them that loving marriages and partnerships are not their birthright.

Your house is not a happy home nor a sanctuary for your children (it is akin to a warzone) and besides which it is but bricks and mortar. None of the above are reasons for staying with your abuser, a man who you have also stated that you do not love.

Do you want to teach your children that a loveless relationship will be their norm too?. I ask that because that is what you and he between you will continue to show them. And they will also see you as their mother continue to be abused by him. Both of you between you will inflict a lot of damaging lessons on relationships and its no legacy to leave them.

"I care for him but I'm not in love with him, I resent him and I wish I could forgive and forget but I struggle and it's all the guilt I feel trying to keep everyone happy. No matter what decision I make someone will be upset with it"

I would put your own self and your kids first, why should he at all get equal billing here. Let him be so called "upset". He will be "upset" mainly and simply because if you leave he will then lose direct control of you. He will still try and control you and the kids post separation but that in itself is not a reason to stay with him either. Sod feeling guilty; guilt is truly a useless emotion. What are you feeling guilty about?. He has not ever regarded you as an equal and also targeted you deliberately to abuse as he has done to date.

Your mental and physical energies are currently being poured into this man at your kids overall expense; you are not fully available emotionally to your children and they will pick up on all the vibes at home both spoken and unspoken here.

You are likely also codependent in this relationship (infact alcoholism and codependency go hand in hand) but that state of yours is really not doing you or your children any favours.

Please contact Womens Aid and have a chat with them. CODA are also worth looking at and do read "Codependent No More" by Melodie Beattie.

FlibbertyGiblets · 25/06/2019 17:15

@lilredrooster great post.

And what they all said. Good luck.

Flippyfloppy11 · 25/06/2019 20:12

@user1472545917 thank you

@AttilaTheMeerkat wow!! Thank you for such a great post.

I will keep reading and re-reading. It feels like it gives me strength and courage to move forward and make decision finally

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