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New man very very close to XW?

73 replies

ClocloHind · 16/06/2019 18:27

Hi all, regular poster but I NC often for privacy reasons. I’d love some perspective on the situation I find myself in. Apologies for the long post ahead!

5 months ago I met a lovely man through mutual friends, we clicked and started dating immediately. Things have been lovely, we seem to be really smitten with each other and get on like a house on fire! We both feel like this has long term potential.

When we met he had been separated for 18 months and has two children under 10 with his XW. They will start divorce proceedings very soon, once they hit the 2 years separation mark. They share the care of their DC 50/50.

He and his XW are still very close.The separation was mutually agreed as the relationship had gone stale after 15 years and they had grown apart. They tried to save the marriage for a couple of years, went to counseling and they eventually decide to split. He says that while the romantic and emotional connection disappeared, they have remained “best friends” and were determined to protect their DC and put their interest first.

According to what he says, the split has been very amicable from day one, for example she helped him find the apartment when he had to move out, and she helped him build the furniture for the DC’s room in his new flat. They still sometimes go out together as a family during weekends (not all weekends though), have family meals together every once in a while and they spent the last Christmas together with her extended family in the foreign country where she is from. He left on Boxing day and then took the DC on holiday without XW at the beginning of January. They normally take the DC on holidays separately.

I don’t really know what to think about such a close relationship between him and XW. He is very transparent with me about her, it doesn’t feel like he is hiding anything from me or sneaking around, which is why my gut feeling tells me that I should not be worried. He talks about her like she was a family member, almost like a sister?

However, when I think about the fact that they were together for 15 years and presumably very much in love at some point, I get quite jealous about them still being so close.

I have not said anything to him about this yet, as I am still trying to wrap my head around the situation. I understand that it is great for their kids that their separated parents are on such good terms. Both he and XW sound like mature and great parents, and their DC seem to have adjusted very well after the separation. However, I can’t help but feeling a bit jealous and insecure about the idea of him being so close to her?

What do you all think? Does this sound ok to you? What would you think if you were in my shoes?

Thank you!

OP posts:
Yeahnahmum · 18/06/2019 14:48

You are def not a family anymore once you are split up. You are stll parents yes, that will never change. But a family? No...

I would see a res flag in them waiting to go ahead with the divorce when the are 2years apart? Why not now? Or already?

And yes also: ask yourself: is this really how you want to spend the rest of your life in this kind of dynamic?Hmm

dragonway · 18/06/2019 15:24

I think they sound brilliant. No reason why the XW can’t be like a sister to him now. When the fizz has gone, it’s gone. If he still wanted her then it would be obvious. You’ve potentially got yourself a good one there. Don’t screw it up with the green eyed monster. Just try and be normal and park the drama lama. XW could end up being one of your best mates. The only person who can ruin this is you.

TheStuffedPenguin · 19/06/2019 06:35

I would see a res flag in them waiting to go ahead with the divorce when the are 2years apart? Why not now? Or already?

Many people do this to avoid the "blame game " . Nothing odd about that .

Pikapikachooo · 19/06/2019 06:45

Honestly it sounds very healthy and sane

Think gwyneth and Chris Martin

Honestly better this than toxicity and venom

I get the jealousy but it’s sooo much better than hate and shows he is a decent non abusive man Smile

TheStuffedPenguin · 19/06/2019 06:53

Think gwyneth and Chris Martin

who holidayed all together and who has now split up with his GF who probably thought "fuck this " ? Grin

MashedSpud · 19/06/2019 07:04

Do you want kids in the future? Does he?

I know it’s only been five months but you do say there’s potential for a future together.

Riverviews · 19/06/2019 07:23

Are you my Ex-H's girlfriend?🙂

That's exactly how we are. I help him and he helps me. DIY, lifts to airport and stuff like that. Family dinners as well.

We were married for a long time. I hope she doesn't mind because I can't see this changing

DoYouThinkHeLikesMe · 19/06/2019 07:46

Riverviews Surely though, when you each move on and have new relationships that's the point - you move on.

When you each have a new partner surely those relationship/partnerly roles become the roles of your new partner??

My exh and I are amicable and supportive as far as the children go but it wouldn't occur to me to ask my exh for assistance with something generic - like a lift to the airport - if I had a boyfriend for example. Something he had an expertise in would be different and I have done that before, as has he, but otherwise, why?

TheStuffedPenguin · 19/06/2019 08:53

Some women don't want their ex Hs but they don't want their ex H to have anyone new hence all the "poor little me" stuff .

DoYouThinkHeLikesMe · 19/06/2019 09:41

That makes sense, Penguin.

It's a bit sad though. I just dont get this need some people have to keep their ex husband/wife on into their new relationship at all.

I think it's different when the exes/new partners all become friends - unusual but that is probably positive. But just needing them to help you live your life? No.

Moondancer73 · 19/06/2019 12:18

I understand how you feel. The thing is, I think actually that these situations are rare however much we might like them to happen.
Maybe give it time and ask to meet his ex wife, build a friendship of some kind with her. It must be difficult for you and I think others have have been a little harsh in their replies to you but if they are happy and harmonious then trust me this is a great deal better than at each other's throats - my oh and his ex and horrendous and the vitriol from her aimed at both him and myself (totally uncalled for) on occasion is something to behold.
I think it's something that will take time but go with it :)

MyCatHatesEverybody · 19/06/2019 13:54

It's one thing to remain amicable and co-parent well but they still seem to be in relationship but without the physical element. You don't have to be sleeping together to be in a relationship (hence emotional affairs). If your BF and his ex want to remain best friends that's up to them but whilst they do so it's unlikely they'll achieve the emotional distance required for them to truly move on. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I would say neither of them is in a position to be in a serious relationship with anyone else until they start taking a step back from each other.

Btw I say this as someone whose DH remained on good terms with his ex - I even went to family celebrations at her house. But you wouldn't have described them as friends.

DoYouThinkHeLikesMe · 19/06/2019 14:17

I'm not saying it's wrong, but I would say neither of them is in a position to be in a serious relationship with anyone else until they start taking a step back from each other.

Totally agree.

SandyY2K · 20/06/2019 00:55

This wouldn't be a relationship for me. I totally understand that it's good for the kids, but you can be amicable and co-parent well, without being this close after a split.

I would just find it all too much too deal with and if I considered myself a pretty good catch with options, then I don't see why I'd sign up for this tbh.

A man with kids is enough baggage, without him still playing happy families with the Ex.

That closeness is fine when they don't have new partners, but after that...na. Not for me.

All that aside...my thoughts would be towards the future. Do you want children? Would he want more...bearing in mind he's 10 years older?

Bignicetree · 20/06/2019 01:04

Sounds like mature adults.

And of course they are still a family !

UnRavellingFast · 20/06/2019 01:40

@NannyRed do you know my ex? 😂

Pikapikachooo · 20/06/2019 06:33

TheStuffedPenguin

Well Gwyn went on to remarry and dakota is still with Chris Martin ! Per the oracles that are Heat Magazine and Grazia !

I don’t know OP I read so many toxic stories on here about abusive
Men , Abusive exes and the horror it is for the kids . They had their chance to fuck each other’s brains and they both walked away from the marriage . They are showing such a good example For the children who will have far less trauma as a result . And who are very very young .

You have to listen to your own instincts here of course but on the basis of what you share I am reading Co parents and friends who want their kids to be happy . Read some of the horror stories here and in relationships when parents don’t do this . It’s horrible reading .

If you can’t stomach it that’s fair enough . I wouldn’t judge you . But the benefit for their kids is immense

DoYouThinkHeLikesMe · 20/06/2019 13:50

And of course they are still a family !

My exh is not still part of my family. I am not part of his.

tinyvulture · 20/06/2019 14:38

I’m another one who has this sort of relationship with her Ex - it’s great for DD. We didn’t achieve it at first, and everyone is MUCH happier now we have. And I have recently really needed his support with some problems I had - he has been great. Because ultimately, he wants his dd to have a happy, healthy mother - she is the most important thing in his life.

My boyfriend seems fine with it on the whole, though when I mentioned that ex-h had suggested he (ex-h) and I take DD camping, boyfriend did say he wouldn’t be happy about that (and on reflection, I agreed that would be going too far, and would be disrespectful to both our new partners).

My boyfriend is also pretty close to his ex wife (I get on with her really well too, tho I admit I was jealous when we first got together - I can’t defend that rationally, but sexual jealousy often isn’t rational. But i worked on that - with my counsellor, actually - and have been able to let it go.)

Ex-h’s girlfriend doesn’t like me and never has (she was the ow), which is a shame but i’m Not gonna let it get to me. And i’m pretty sure that, if she gave him an ultimatum, he would choose to continue to be supportive to me, and she would lose him over it.

TheStuffedPenguin · 20/06/2019 17:43

Pikapikachooo Dakota and Chris no more it seems

Pikapikachooo · 20/06/2019 20:47

Ah well ! Dakota is too young for that shizzle anyway . It’s OPs call really but I say well done for keeping the kids happy , to anyone that does

Cheeseandwin5 · 21/06/2019 11:57

You dont have to be happy with the situation and if you are not, than maybe you should leave and find someone with less baggage. As it is he is being clear with you and you understand the reasons for it. She is not some random lady but the mother of his kids. As time goes and the kids get older and you become more involved things will change. You just need to decide if your willing to put the effort in.

Horsesforcourses23 · 21/06/2019 16:39

There is another post similar to this and I think the general consensus is, healthy / friendly and amicable is great, boundary crossing like sleeping over are not... so I think you need to work out what boundary lines you have. An earlier poster said about a camping trip with the ex, that would bother me I think but that's obviously where my boundary line is, I wouldn't be bothered about him having tea at the house if it was just like birthday tea or tea to discuss things etc.

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