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New man very very close to XW?

73 replies

ClocloHind · 16/06/2019 18:27

Hi all, regular poster but I NC often for privacy reasons. I’d love some perspective on the situation I find myself in. Apologies for the long post ahead!

5 months ago I met a lovely man through mutual friends, we clicked and started dating immediately. Things have been lovely, we seem to be really smitten with each other and get on like a house on fire! We both feel like this has long term potential.

When we met he had been separated for 18 months and has two children under 10 with his XW. They will start divorce proceedings very soon, once they hit the 2 years separation mark. They share the care of their DC 50/50.

He and his XW are still very close.The separation was mutually agreed as the relationship had gone stale after 15 years and they had grown apart. They tried to save the marriage for a couple of years, went to counseling and they eventually decide to split. He says that while the romantic and emotional connection disappeared, they have remained “best friends” and were determined to protect their DC and put their interest first.

According to what he says, the split has been very amicable from day one, for example she helped him find the apartment when he had to move out, and she helped him build the furniture for the DC’s room in his new flat. They still sometimes go out together as a family during weekends (not all weekends though), have family meals together every once in a while and they spent the last Christmas together with her extended family in the foreign country where she is from. He left on Boxing day and then took the DC on holiday without XW at the beginning of January. They normally take the DC on holidays separately.

I don’t really know what to think about such a close relationship between him and XW. He is very transparent with me about her, it doesn’t feel like he is hiding anything from me or sneaking around, which is why my gut feeling tells me that I should not be worried. He talks about her like she was a family member, almost like a sister?

However, when I think about the fact that they were together for 15 years and presumably very much in love at some point, I get quite jealous about them still being so close.

I have not said anything to him about this yet, as I am still trying to wrap my head around the situation. I understand that it is great for their kids that their separated parents are on such good terms. Both he and XW sound like mature and great parents, and their DC seem to have adjusted very well after the separation. However, I can’t help but feeling a bit jealous and insecure about the idea of him being so close to her?

What do you all think? Does this sound ok to you? What would you think if you were in my shoes?

Thank you!

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TheStuffedPenguin · 17/06/2019 00:29

There will always be a very significant bond between them as they share children. I am amicable with my exh (most of the time) and have been known to ask for his help with car advice or even flat pack building etc because we will always be linked by children and he wouldn't want to see me suffer.

Sadly some women play on this , not saying that is the case with OP. It's amazing how an ex wife needs to have help like this. You don't get to get divorced and carry on using your EX H as an H .Sorry . I know you won't like this . Time to be independent .

RantyAnty · 17/06/2019 03:07

What is the age difference between you 2?

SuePerbly · 17/06/2019 03:42

My ex and I are great friends. Totally amicable split. Helped him move. He gets on well with my new fella to the point of the two of them going to gigs together. He is coming away with us all on a big family holiday in August.

Why not? Better than my DD having parents who are at loggerheads. Ex now has a new girlfriend too......actually been seeing her about 5 months and she sounds lovely (ps if it is you, my mum plans to invite you to hers for Xmas along with ex Grin)

ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 07:22

RantyAnty he is around 10 years older than me.

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ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 08:09

I suppose what confuses me is that it feels like they are still very much each other's family, as oppose to leading separate lives and sharing the care of the DC.

For example sometimes he still refers to their finances as joint, ie "this month we'll have big outgoing because this and that bill". A few days ago he mentioned she was going to buy a house, and after a while he specified that she was buying alone, not with him! I would have thought that was pretty obvious Hmm

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SuePerbly · 17/06/2019 09:59

If they haven't split finances yet that's a bit weird, but they WILL always be family. That doesn't mean that it isn't possible for him to love you. I love my ex like a brother, and DP like....well, a DP. Still feeling love towards my ex doesn't diminish the love I have for DP. We will always be a form of family to each other, despite divorcing, as we have chosen to be. We like each other, we share a daughter, he is one of my best friends.

What is better for his kids? Them being part of a family that still like each other, and view themselves as a family they have made, irrespective of the split, or parents that don't get on.

Yes the finance thing is a bit odd, but is is obviously something they haven't finished splitting yet, and so will still be working together on. To be honest, at five months into the relationship, that really is none of your business.

Everything you are describing makes your DP sound like a good man. If he and his ex wanted to be together, they would be.

I feel a bit sad that you can't see how well they are treating each other and their kids. One of the reasons that DP fell in love with me, is because of how I approached my divorce.

TheStuffedPenguin · 17/06/2019 10:16

He will have a joint account to take care of kids' things . That's normal and it will continue .

TheStuffedPenguin · 17/06/2019 10:25

OP I assume that you have not met the children yet ? You are not living together ? I don't think I would be happy with him calling her my "best friend " - that should be you although it is early days and that may well/should change . Sometimes the "best friend" status starts to deteriorate of its own accord when ex W finds that ex H has moved on and she starts to get a bit more testy ...Hopefully she will be one of these wonderful exWs on here but be prepared for the fact that she may not be .

ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 10:50

Of course I have not met the DC yet and we don't live together, I think meeting them may happen one day if things continue progressing, but definitely not anytime soon.

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ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 12:18

For context, he is in his mid 40s and I am in my mid 30s.

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diplodoco · 17/06/2019 13:11

I think it is a good thing for you. Would you prefer it if they had split for horrible reasons, like him being abusive or her cheating. It proves that the guy you're getting involved with does what's right for his children and is a stand up guy. Win win!

Smokesandeats · 17/06/2019 13:19

Does his ex know about you? THe reason that I ask is that my DH’s ex stopped being friendly once she knew that he’d moved on and he wasn’t available all the time to help her every time she asked.

Personally, I would tread carefully until he is divorced because you don’t want to get mixed up in his finances until he is free. Keep the relationship fairly casual until he has his decree absolute.

ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 13:33

Smokes what do you mean with keeping the relationship casual?

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RagingWhoreBag · 17/06/2019 13:34

Thank you all for your comments. It sounds like the general consensus is that the situation is not worrying at all and quite positive for everyone involved. I might just need some time to get used to the dynamic, as that is quite new to me!

You don’t have to be comfortable with anything that isn’t right for you. As someone with DCs myself there’s very little chance I would get involved with a man with his own DCs again, it’s too much of a compromise. If I didn’t have DCs then it would be 100% no!

I agree that it sounds lovely for the DCs but there also need to be some boundaries so that they understand that mum and dad have moved on. I’ve struggled with this for several years as my BF doesn’t believe in boundaries and he and his ex have a very free and easy relationship. The subtle language of “we” and “she and I” can chip away at the feeling of partnership that you want to build with him.

When DP had been invited to things by his family and assumes I’m not on the invite, then his DCs want to know if their mum can come, it just feels like I’ll never be his family.

I know I have issues with jealousy but tbh dealing with the emotions of someone having DCs is hard enough. Add in an over familiar ex and it takes a bigger person than I am to be happy with that. Good luck with it! Flowers

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 17/06/2019 13:40

Op please read @RagingWhoreBag post carefully. As she says, if it isn't right for you - it isn't right. The current dynamic could well chip away at your self esteem.

ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 13:47

New man seems to be absolutely crazy about me and makes no secret about that. He is extremely complimentary and makes me feel desired and loved. As I mentioned up thread, he is also very transparent about XW and the time he talks to her or spends with her. So I rationally don't think I have anything to worry about.

It is just that this is such a new dynamic for me and I have yet to fully understand how I feel about it, and if this is something I can live with long term.

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LL83 · 17/06/2019 13:52

The people I know who co-parent very closely/amicably genuinely aren't in love anymore. Usually it is more awkward/difficult if someone still has feelings. Try not to worry.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 17/06/2019 14:03

It is just that this is such a new dynamic for me and I have yet to fully understand how I feel about it, and if this is something I can live with long term.

It's good you're putting how you feel about the set up first. So many women put themselves and their feelings last just to cling on to the 'status' of having a man.

Good luck, whatever you decide!

ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 15:33

Thank you Queen!

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BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 17/06/2019 15:36

I'm surprised by the responses to be honest, I posted something similar a few months ago saying my bf was upset that I invite my ex husband over christmas day, and got ripped to shreds lol.

I can't see the wrong in it OP, it's nice for the kids and I don't see why a frienship should end just because the romance has gone.

ClocloHind · 17/06/2019 15:39

Betty in what sense you were ripped to shreds?

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BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 17/06/2019 15:46

Cloc people pretty much telling me that they wouldn't put up with it, BF should dump me and that obviously I can't let go. Actually it was food for thought and I'm glad I posted as I got some interesting responses, got a load of old bollox as well too though.

Bluntness100 · 17/06/2019 17:26

Betty I remember your post. And it was a very different scenario, you were inviting your ex to spend time with you socially, it wasn't about kids it was about you and him, inc Xmas day and your new partner was understandably upset about it

It's very very different scenarios. And not really ok to pretend it's the same.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 18/06/2019 13:16

Yes bluntness I invited him to spend christmas day with me and our son (and my bf) so a pretty similar scenario really so I actually think it is ok to make comparisons but I guess we all have our own take on things.

Pinkmouse6 · 18/06/2019 13:24

You’re allowed to be uncomfortable with this, I don’t really know many people who would be fine with their partner spending lots of time with their ex tbh. It obviously changes the dynamics with young children involved but you can stay amicable and civil without being each other’s best friends following a split...

I couldn’t be with a man this close to his ex personally but then, I don’t think I’d be with someone who had children if I didn’t have children myself either.

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