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I need help

63 replies

Robbie316uk · 08/06/2019 21:38

My fiancé of 5 years rolled over at night and told me “I am done” this was a week ago and was a shock to me and both of our families, nobody saw it coming. We have kids together, a house, joint accounts, loans etc. She has asked me to leave as I didn’t want to upset her I did but I also asked for a chance to fix whatever I had done, she said I wasn’t trying hard enough and was done, we have had several chats and all I want us to do is get back together but she said she needs space and to be on her own, does this mean their will never be a chance or should I try and give space and see what happens? My kids are begging me to come back and it’s heartbreaking but she has bagged up all clothes opened a sole account and already sorting out benefits and this happened just over a week ago, I feel I just need some help as all family have no idea because it came as such a shock

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Thedilemma111 · 08/06/2019 23:53

Who does the house belong too ?

I don’t trust this woman.

Robbie316uk · 08/06/2019 23:59

Her friend is a female and I have asked her straight if there is anyone else and she has said no, despite all this I do still trust her on that, the problem is I can’t look after the kids I go to work before they go to school and I get back well after so I have no way to do it, we have always been so open with each other and have said before no matter where we are we will always work it out and I never had any reason to doubt her but she doesn’t even seem cut up about any of it, if you saw her she seems fine nothing troubling her while I didn’t eat for 9 days and have barely slept in that time either, I just feel to break up this relationship without talking when 2 kids are involved is just madness....she will now be a single mother of 3 and I don’t want her to struggle...I asked her about putting the kids best interests to the forefront and she just said no she needs to do this for herself she is fed up of trying but I don’t know what she means!!!

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Robbie316uk · 09/06/2019 00:00

The house is in joint names (rented) but without my name and income they would not let her stay there anyway

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Kelsoooo · 09/06/2019 00:19

You sound like a bit of a douche tbh.

"After all I did, she owes me now"

"She never had time to herself"

"I'm better cause I kept the house cleaner than she did"

I can see why she left you. It's insidious living with someone who holds that attitude.

"Make a plan to get her back" she's not your property to "get back"

You live your life and give her what she wants. With space she'll decide on her own what she wants.

Whilst she's doing that you also get to decide what you want, if you both come up with the same answer...great.

If one wants to stay together and the other doesn't, well someone gets hurt don't they.

BlueJag · 09/06/2019 00:29

@Kelsoooo why are you being so insensitive and insulting to someone that is asking for help.
Have some compassion and try to help not just offer criticism.
The OP deserves minimum an explanation it's common decency.
You don't just put them out like you would a cat. He is the father of two of her children not just a casual boyfriend.

Thedilemma111 · 09/06/2019 00:49

Look . He’s desperate to have her back . In that frame of mind one will day and do all sorts of things .

OP , I’ve read the other posts , and I can see it’s unlikely that she is seeing anyone else , or trying to do you out of your house ( because you don’t own the house ).

So , as I said before , stick to just communicating over the kids , and finding ways to relax . Don’t make any plans to do anything . Let this all play itself out . Tell her you are all ears if she wants to resolve things ONCE only . Don’t beg don’t plead . Don’t think about it . Focus on the kids only . Try to limit any other conversation with her to the essentials .

Give her the space . Find a new hobby of you have to .

Let her come to you . If she doesn’t , then consider whether she doesn’t want to be there anymore .

BUT you need to be PATIENT and WAIT to give her that space , and to give things time to work themselves out one way or the other.

Robbie316uk · 09/06/2019 01:03

The person who commented all that stuff about me being a douche well I am not perfect by any stretch of imagination but after a long time together kids and everything else I did think i deserved a better explanation after all I am the one now living in a single bed in the spare room of my mums house, I am going to try and give her space and everything but it’s just so damn hard and also when I say make a plan to win her back I don’t mean as property I mean as a kind loving person who just wants his soulmate back!!!!!

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Thedilemma111 · 09/06/2019 01:12

I get that OP don’t worry . Good luck !

Sadiesnakes · 09/06/2019 01:39

Agree with @Kelsoooo,

She didn't just break up for nothing and op sounds entitled. We are clearly only hearing half the story.

FuriousVexation · 09/06/2019 02:15

I am going to try and give her space and everything but it’s just so damn hard and also when I say make a plan to win her back I don’t mean as property I mean as a kind loving person who just wants his soulmate back!!!!!

Would that be his soulmate who is "a female"?
I'm out, sorry.

Graphista · 09/06/2019 02:22

"We had an argument last September" about what?

"but other than that it has just been the usual couple bickering" so she DID tell you HAS been telling you and you've just ignored her and carried on regardless, leaving the bulk of the childcare, housework and mental load to her!

"In terms of parenting I admit not much" translation you did sod all!

"however in terms of housework it was a different story, when I got back I would do the stuff that needs to be done and tidy up the mess that was left despite her being at home all day" wow! Do you REALLY think she was doing nothing all day?! How old are the DC?

"step daughter of 8 and then own kids 3 and 1" so 3 kids inc 2 very young ones to run after (does the 1 year old even sleep through every night?) and you're criticising if the house isn't spotless when you get home from work?!

Why were the children at babysitters if she isn't working in the day?!

"I would say from a percentage point it would work out very close to 50/50" bull!

"I do that on a weekend when she also works" I'd bet good money when she's looking after DC she's also doing loads of chores, admin etc whereas you're ONLY looking after the kids and not eg getting laundry sorted and done, chasing up admin enquiries, cooking, shopping, dusting, hoovering, doing dishes, cleaning kitchen, cleaning bathroom, making beds...

Graphista · 09/06/2019 02:23

"and get us back to who we are"
That's not what she wants! "Who we are" is you leaving everything to her to do!

"I have up playing football on a Sunday" that's big of you!

"and then in the summer I play abit of cricket and her and the kids come to watch"

What does she get to do that is just for her? Anything?

I've just posted similar on another thread about another lazy partner

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/amp/

You need to read this and this too

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/amp/

Graphista · 09/06/2019 02:23

"the problem is I can’t look after the kids I go to work before they go to school and I get back well after so I have no way to do it" there is plenty else you could be doing.

"to break up this relationship without talking when 2 kids are involved" THREE there are THREE kids involved - seriously I'm surprised she didn't do this earlier!

"she will now be a single mother of 3 and I don’t want her to struggle" and yet she's doing it! I strongly suspect she has less work now not more.

"without my name and income they would not let her stay there anyway" well they can't evict her for being a single mum! And by the sounds of things she's switched on financially and has got herself organised so quite possibly she CAN cover the rent.

Frankly given that op's tend to write in such a way as to favour themselves and yet it's clear from what op themselves has said that they weren't pulling their weight at home, was overly critical of his ex, didn't listen when she did tell him what was pissing her off and had until now (now that shit got real!) not even considered how life was for her!

She's got 3 young kids, an entitled unsupportive partner, works part time and NEVER gets a full day off nor even support to do anything for herself of an evening if she's not working (if she even had the energy she must be knackered!) and yet apparently she was unreasonable to say "enough is enough"!!!

Op an oft used cry upon hearing of such setups on mn usually from your partners perspective (seriously HUNDREDS of threads like this) is "does he think it's the 1950's?"

When actually you're not even doing as much as a 1950's husband and father would.

Honestly, read those links I sent you, read some threads on here from posters in the same position as your partner, grow up and stop pestering her to take you back when fundamentally you don't want anything to change.

You want to carry on only weighing in minimally of an evening and on a Saturday, doing whatever you like on a Sunday and leaving everything else to her!

She is absolutely right not to put up with that and if she posted on here she would indeed have been told that unless you changed your behaviour and attitude drastically & permanently (no just for a few weeks/months to get her onside!) to get rid!

Genuine questions:

How much were you expected to do in your childhood home growing up? Did your mum do the bulk of household chores and responsibilities or was she a single mum? Have you lived on your own and thus been responsible for all chores, bills, admin etc? When your 2 dc were young babies did you do night wakings, early mornings, teething & colic duties, nappy changes, bathing etc? If the kids are ill what do you do? What do you do if she is unwell? Do you take any responsibility for the admin relating to the kids? To the house? (Think I can guess the majority of the true answers to these).

She DID tell you, you just weren't listening.

OldAndWornOut · 09/06/2019 02:25

I think its reasonable to feel entitled to an explanation as to why this is happening, and why he has been turfed out of the house.

Sadiesnakes · 09/06/2019 03:09

It's no wonder men get away with the bare minimum of decency and acceptable behaviour in relationships judging by the naivety of some posters here.

babbi · 09/06/2019 06:22

I agree with PP ... she has been telling you .. you just weren’t listening...
you sound incredibly lazy

prawnsword · 09/06/2019 06:49

I agree you sound a bit deluded about how much you actually contributed to family time. I mean if you go to work early & when you come home the kids are at babysitters, why are you even ‘bickering’ (as you put it) about who to put the kids to bed? I don’t have kids but can only imagine her frustration to have to beg you to tuck your kids in at night. What you see as bickering was her telling you. It’s not healthy to argue over the dishes. I bet she did most of the cooking & you didn’t want to do the dishes, otherwise you would have likely mentioned how you did most of the cooking.

With 3 kids how clean are you expecting your house? Do you do washing, deep cleans etc? Some light surface
cleaning when you get home from work is normal. That’s what single people have to do. Just because she is home with the kids doesn’t =spotless house. Lots of chores are invisible...

Robbie316uk · 09/06/2019 06:57

I am certainly not entitled and if some people here are mixing up my words that makes it even worse, I am not saying I expected the house clean when I got home from work I just answered a question on what I do round the house and I answered it. I did washing, I did hoovering, I did the pots, I dealt with the kids, I changed beds as well as the jobs she labelled man jobs (garden, bins etc) I am not moaning at her contribution at all we seemed to have struck a balance and our kids sleep through every night, never had an issue with them but when they were young yes we took turns, when the kids are ill depending on the circumstances I would go to work but if I needed to take the day off I would, I clearly made a typo when I put 2 kids I have raised my step daughter since she was young and so see her as my own!!!! I certainly do not leave everything to her, the house admin do you mean paying bills and stuff, if you do I would sort out all of that, I would do the shop as up until recently she couldn’t drive, I would balance the finances because by her own admission she hated doing it and knew she wasn’t that good at doing it. Of course you are only getting one side of the story you couldn’t possibly get anymore unless she posted, I am not saying I am blameless because clearly I am not or else she would not have left but I am confused and reached out for some help and advice so trying to attack my character isn’t going to help, and yes I have lived on my own and yes I know how to look after myself

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Robbie316uk · 09/06/2019 07:05

When I said we had little bickerings about putting the kids to bed it’s because most nights the kids would want her to put them to bed, again I would say the majority of time I actually put them bed, in terms of the cooking yes she did do most of it and the bickering about dishes was more to do with leaving them everywhere (next to her bed, on the table behind our sofa) rather than her doing them, again I wasn’t expecting the house to be spotless far from it when I understand it isn’t easy, I wasn’t even trying to imply that she didn’t pull her weight with doing stuff round the house, she is absolute perfection to me in everything she does so I want to make that very clear now I am not slagging her off one bit!!

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dottiedodah · 09/06/2019 07:51

When you say you were "rubbing her back", asking if she was going to sleep ,and looking forward to your nice usual "Adult time".Presumably you were expecting sex?.If this is most evenings, then I would guess she is probably tired from Childcare/evening job etc.Maybe she feels you expected too much from her?.Many ladies are often shattered by the demands of caring for a home /children ,and an job as well and dont feel like DTD TBH!

Pinotjo · 09/06/2019 07:54

I wouldn't take any notice of the harsh replies on here if I were you, some people are sat behind their screens just waiting to pounce, stay on MN a while and you start to recognise their names.
Anyhow, dont want to add to your pain but it does sound like shes probably got an OM. Hope I'm wrong.
The only thing you can do is give her space.
She says shes done, if she means it and you push for a reconciliation and she gives in to pressure, do you really want to be in a relationship with someone who really doesn't want to be with you? Neither of you will be happy and you will probably find yourself in this same situation. Personally I couldn't live like that. My advice is give her some space, set a time frame in your mind how long you are prepared to wait to see if the situation changes (dont share this with her, it will sound like an ultimatum) then if nothing changes, move on. As painful as this is, you will get over it, its human nature to survive. DONT answer the provacative posts on here, it just feeds them! Good luck Flowers

Mummadeeze · 09/06/2019 08:12

Judging on your account, I don’t think you not pulling your weight is the real reason she has instigated a split. Sounds like she has fallen out of love with you (although weird that you didn’t detect that or feel it) or fallen for someone else (could it even be the female friend). I don’t think it is fair that you are being shut out with no proper explanation or communication given the seriousness of your relationship however. Can you ask someone to look after the kids and try to go somewhere neutral for a proper chat. You may not get the answers you want but at least it help clarify what is going on.

TheStuffedPenguin · 09/06/2019 08:21

*Interesting double standard here. If this were a woman posting there would be gazillion posts saying ... expect the OW to appear any moment..

Just saying...*

Exactly ! Men ALWAYS get the " you aren't doing enough in the house "posts . She sounds as if she has already moved on in her head .

Robbie316uk · 09/06/2019 08:26

No when I say asking if she was going to sleep I was referring to putting on an episode of the series we were watching, our sex life was fantastic and I was more than happy with it, it was varied and interesting and fun...I honestly believe she hasn’t got anyone else and she has promised me of that fact, I am now in the part of giving her space, it isn’t the female friend if anything it may be her son who used to be a mutual friend however I trust her. I just hope the space works before we were such a good couple, I know everyone says that but we really were described by many as made for each other and we would bounce off each other so well

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Graphista · 09/06/2019 08:27

I am certainly not entitled

Ahem: your own words!

"all I want us to do is get back together"

"I had no idea I wasn’t ["helping out as much as she wanted"] I could have done more but I was certainly doing things" FYI it's not "helping out" 2 adults in the household = 2 adults running the home and raising kids.

"In terms of parenting I admit not much"

"got in to bed starting rubbing her back asked her if she was going to sleep" translation - having done nothing that day to ease her load still expected sex ie her meeting your needs despite you not meeting hers.

"I would tidy up the house as the day went on on a Saturday," meaning in all likelihood you were only dealing with mess made that day.

"I do that on a weekend when she also works" but then it emerged that it's only on a Saturday. That you were pleasing yourself on a Sunday.

"I would say from a percentage point it would work out very close to 50/50" really even though you work?!

"I feel this is totally out of proportion" one oh those articles I linked to explained this not that you've read them obviously. The constant expectation that the woman if not doing everything is certainly responsible for everything at home grinds them down. It's the "drip drip drip" effect of their partner/husband repeating bad or lazy behaviour that builds resentment.

"I feel that kind of stuff would at least afford me a chance to improve to where she wanted me to be" and she's done nothing to support you in all that time? Apart from run the home and raise the kids...