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Affair just started, is it ever OK?

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Allinadayswork3 · 22/05/2019 21:09

Hello everyone,

Hmmm, I am the wife struggling with infidelity. It is me that is resorting to doing anything I can to cope with my marriage / other stressors and not break up our family of 3 little ones, I know that sounds completely counter intuitive.

DH was really into me when we met, as you would expect. But we moved quickly having spent hours discussing how we would like life to be when we got married. Since babies and in between there is no motivation on his part to be intimate. And when I initiate I am often rejected. Not great for self-esteem. I love intimacy and he seemed fairly tactile when we met, enough so. He doesn't like it if he has to change anything or give up the things he might have done before marriage, as so I no longer make the suggestions which means I resent every minute he sits in front of the TV not helping with the house or children. He is the main bread winner and I though that was is as he pushed hard for me to go back to work becuase his wage doesn't quite keep us afloat. Now I work 4 days and he is worse becuase he has to look after the children for 2 days and work a high level job for 5. Some restbite in that he works from home many days and have time off to run a club which is allowed in his work contract.

DH is very grumpy and rather than discuss any issues that crop up he basically ignores me, no matter which tac I take. Even if I just let everything go and am considerate, polite, affectionate with no sexual tone, he would take that and perhaps return a foot massage if I ask. But nothing is coming from him. He had been under immense pressure but is succeding at work, he also has not enjoyed early years of children and I resent him stonewalling me so much and making me fee like I am the problem that I have become angry and resentful with him. He was drinking too much and has it underconntrol with the odd wobble. He also is overweight and suffers from gout, but anything I do to try and ask him about or support a healthier life is snubbed. So meal times have gone, bed time, intimacy, doing date night which I had set up or they don't happen, all of that has gone and on top of that me working and getting us out of a tight money spot had taken it's toll. Non of these things excuse him getting angry and being awful to the kids, and rude to me. I really love him and am very attracted to him but am no longer entertaining him. He started getting angry that I am not about anymore and I explained that I didn't think he wanted me to be about anymore....I don't like just sitting on the sofa becuase it always leads to us falling asleep and him staying there. I explained I needed a little compliment here and there, some positivity and intimacy regulalry if I was to cope with the way we have set up our lives at the moment, and to stay together happily. But he still just hits a point after maybe a day of trying that he has to retreat into the man cave. Flowers, they were regular but stopped. He doesn't return calls, but can be incredibly romantic, and that hurts now he isn't. I looked it all up and feel like it is emotional abuse, and my response has been abusive when I have got the the point of feeling he is giving nothing. I hint at things to help himself kickstart a new way of living, take some space if you need it, go away and stay with a friend, live with your folks, rent a carvan, whatever, go on a lads weekend. Whatever! I even try saying nothing. It is so hard, then one day someone in a nightclub (not my usual habitat) started dancing with me. We danced ceroc, and after a few hours of non stop dancing we took water, and saw that we actually found each other attractive, so danced some more. Then it was late and we didn't want to say goodbye after so few words and such an amazing connection. We were both attached and in the end he lived abroad so we decided to just walk about hand in had and say goodbye. That made me think. But then I boxed it up and talked with hubs about taking up dancing or something and he tried but then dropped out. Then another club and I actively engaged sharking brain, for my sister who was single, and it was me that attracted a couple of seemingly decent chaps. One wanted to be in touch as we had had a great natter. So we just added each other on FB. We met up the next day, I was not interested in an affair and had said that, and we just thought it would be nice to finish our conversation less drunk. DH saw that addition on FB and basically looked up the guy and told me that if I went anywhere near him he would call the police saying I was an unfit mother! Brilliant. Then I realised his strategy to keep his life in control is to undermine, he decides to pick a fight as soon as he wants a drink, or to do his own thing, which is a few times a week. Just bowled me over to have identified the behavioural pattern. We spoke and he feels bad about it and feels worse if I raise it, but I asked how else can we get around and along with it if we don't understand it and what we might be able to do to support each other in tricky times? So, it is continously in this loop and having said I am too tired of it to keep bridging all the gaps and firefight all the time I explains I don't know what I can do now...how do I feature in all of this, I can be kept in a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation forever. He also does 'take my offer on this or I will retract more than the offer' bargaining with me which is humiliating. So I have made myself independent, and no longer consult him on things except some kids things. We function and I am polite to him in front of the children, sometimes we laugh and smile and have really nice days to and the kids obviously love that, but I'm sad about the undue level of tension they will be absorbing, it isn't what I want.

The most recent thing has been my idea to seek an affair online. To regian some intimacy whilst I work out what to do, also to give me some much needed attention. I have met someone also married with 2. He has explained fully his situation which is similar, controlling partner witholding affection and being unkind. And interstingly offered me some understanding of my husband becuase we both think that after some time partners might come around and our support for each other might give us the zest to turn things around. It is working in that I now feel better and feel generally more loving and tolerant (ps we are starting to fall for one another but have not been particularly physical yet, a kiss at the end of the short times we spend in a pub, we are being very cautious in case it isn't what we actually want to do, testing the waters so to speak).

I want to hear from any people who aren't going to just try and shoot me down for fun / personal gain here becuase I'm just interested in some perspective and hearing of some experiences that might offer useful tips on how to navigate, work through how to go forwards becuase I am enjoying feeling cared about again, but not the dishonesty. I think if DH started to enjoy marriage and kids and intimacy without the need to defend his freedom so much we could have it all. I don't like feeling like I am not important to 2 men when it is tricky for the affair to find a time to get together. Basically I have no problem with my situation but I am unsure of how that might change going forwards. Obviously I could hurt 2 men and be alone, I could just get on with leaving my husband. But I don't want to leave what we have if he simply is just having a tricky time temporarily! HE won't talk to me about any of it. He literally walks out.

OP posts:
Theredjellybean · 25/05/2019 15:59

JsKu

please stop now.
I am not the morality police , i had an affair, met online for the purpose.
I was in a very sad and unhappy marriage with a man who denied his sexuality , no intimacy at all for years and i , like you wanted some 'fun' and that would be ok and i could then cope with staying in the marriage for the sake of my children.

It is never ever that simple.
yes it worked brilliantly at the beginning, i blossomed and became confident and happy again...BUT we fell in love, and then it became harder..because we wanted 'normal' not an affair.
We got more and more into our 'fantasy life' and of course acted like a couple, went out a lot , dated etc and of course he got seen by someone. ( at this point he lived in london and i did not so i was very unlikely to see anyone)
what followed was devastating for EVERYONE.
Long story short after trying hard to fix our marriages ( my exh did not know about affair) we couldnt and left to be together.

5 yrs on , we are very happy, he was / is indeed the right man for me and my dexh is happy with his soon to be new husband.

but in the wake of this is my dp exwife who has never forgiven us,
my dp elderly religious parents who have never forgiven me

our 4 children ...all now adults..who actually are very accepting and my dds do not know how we met, but his do...his eldest remembers the fallout from the discovery of our affair, and has to deal with her mother's venom when daughter spends time with us.

luckily for me, his daughters forgave me and we have a fabulous relationship , and they happily acknowledge their dad is so much happier and thier parents should have split yrs earlier.

But oh the heartache, the years of tears and angst, all that time in the affair and the aftermath when we would try to not be in touch and then did and then stop again . His exwife who must have thought she was going mad at times .

i am still wracked with guilt, even though i know their marriage was 'dead' and i did not wreck it.
and while the start of an affair does boost you, it soon makes your self esteem issues worse..

user1471453601 · 25/05/2019 16:32

I find the Its "never ok to have an affair" very simplistic.

To give an example, friends sister was having an affair. Friend confided in me. I knew the sisters circumstances, though didn't know the sister. The sisters husband had been in a catastrophic car accident. He was brain damaged and was no longer able to have a "normal" married life. There was a child of the marriage. Friends s sister thought it better to continue to care for said child and brain damaged husband, rather than leaving.

Her outlet was to have an affair. It kept her sane and helped her care for her husband with the kind of compassion he deserved.

Some will say, yes but that's a one off. Everyone's life is a one off

Personally, I wouldn't presume to give advice to the opening poster.

As long as she is trying to minimise others pain, she has to play the hand she's been dealt. Which means taking care of herself and her loved one(s)

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 25/05/2019 16:52

User, I had an affair when I was younger, with a married man. I'm quite tolerant of what other people do and whilst the example you've given might be valid, it's extreme. Most people are not contending with this, with a brain-damaged partner or someone with advanced dementia, they just have an affair because they actively choose it.

I think it's disingenuos to suggest that it's all one big melting pot because it isn't and on a case by case basis, most affairs are the result of people wanting to straddle their relationships with somebody 'better'. It's not honest and pretending it is in any way acceptable actually diminishes people who would have an understandable reason (for most) as you gave in your example.

Affairs are not good, they cause misery. That said, if they were never discovered and there is no chance that people would get hurt, then a) we wouldn't know about them and b) I wouldn't have an issue with them.

Takes all sorts.

user1471453601 · 25/05/2019 17:06

@Lying Witch inThe Wardrobe,as I said, my example is extreme, and I agree that most affairs are because of c choice I may also be disengnous. Who knows? Not me.

All I'm saying is that one shouldn't judge, until one has was had walked a mile in their shoes.

Just saying

Jsku · 25/05/2019 22:57

@Theredjellybean

Not sure what your exact point is....
You chose the path OP is considering and it lead you to meeting the man you are happy with.
It wasn’t an easy path and there was hurt involved. Ok, get that.
Maybe in another life he stayed and both of them continued to be miserable till the end of days... and their kids would have grown up in that mystery.
Or, maybe he would have left and she’d have been as angry at him anyway.
We would never know.
You didn’t end their relationship - it ended before he met you. There was no happy end there regardless of what you did.

I do agree with you - an affair to boost self esteem is stupid. It needs to come from some internal sources.

What specifically do you disagree with in what I said? I am just living my life the way that works for me. I don’t make decisions for others and don’t judge them.

As to the men on the websites for married people. Someone who said ‘they’ll just sleep with you and move on’... That made me smile. So many women on those sites are unloved and untouched, and they come there for exactly the same reason as the men. They want to have sex. And most do not want to develop emotions and complicate their lives.

Theredjellybean · 26/05/2019 07:07

It was to caution you that it is rare to be able to have a physical affair only.
You already say you are falling for him.
I wanted you to know just how painful it is not for the wife or husband if they found out but for the people in the affair.
Once you start to fall in love the lows outweigh the highs, affairs are like drug addiction.. You need more to get the same high.
I spent many years so desperately unhappy, it drove me crazy, constantly thinking about him with his wife, what they were doing, whether he was thinking about me.. Birthdays, Christmas, holidays, anniversaries... Without the man I was deeply in love with.
And while in the beginning I was a happier person at home, the angst and unhappiness when we had not seen each other or he hadn't replied to a txt or he was away with his family made me snappy and distracted with my family.
I guess what I am trying to say is your plan to use your affair to get you through a loveless marriage is likely to cause you more heartache in the long run.

Theredjellybean · 26/05/2019 07:09

JsKu... Sorry, I got you muddled with the OP.
My post/comments were for allinadayswork3

Jsku · 26/05/2019 12:00

@Theredjellybean

It makes sense now. And I agree with a lot of what you say.
It’s true for many people - and I have spoken to a fair few on those websites - I am a curious sort.
And it is true - many (not all but still) do go on to develop attachments to the people they wanted to have as FWB. Happens to women, but also men....
But I didn’t sense a regret in that. Mostly because their home lives are so dead and emotionless. So - feeling something, anything is better than being numb inside?

As to me, I have been seeing my friend for a while now. And yes, he makes me happy in many ways.
However, I am not thinking of a life with him. I am doing what I am doing for myself. Planning a life on my own and waiting for my freedom when divorce finally goes through.
If he decides to join me at some point in the future - it’ll add to my happiness. But I don’t need him to make my life full. It already is.

I don’t obsess over what he is doing with his W. One day the duality we have will end one way or another. He gives me what I need at the moment - on emotional and physical level. I don’t want any more than that for now. If in the future that changes and I want more than he can give me - i’ll leave. It’s simple really. I am too old to have my life and happiness depend on a man.

I never had a fantasy of a happy married life for myself. Was always imagining myself with a child, on my own. It was a surprise to me to marry. Maybe I wasn’t ever meant to be a wife to anyone.

Everybody is different in what they want and need.
I hope OP will find her path.

daniel44 · 22/06/2019 00:04

I find the hardest issues can feel impossible, but with effort (real effort not fake effort) they can often be resolved. The problem comes when you guys don't follow basic 'rules of the road' for a relationship. Having an affair is a bit traffic violation. It's not the answer. I agree with above that 2 options exist: fix it and end it. It does seem like fix it is still possible. Though you won't know unless you (really) try. This article had a good way of framing the path forward for fixing a relationship.

LittleDoll · 22/06/2019 02:06

Its not OK on yourself never mind anyone else.

You do not know that this man is telling the truth. You are clearly vulnerable due to your husbands treatment of you. You need to leave this man for you, value yourself and then find someone who values you equally.

Your husband values you just as little as you value yourself. If you valued yourself right now you wouldnt be doing this.

LittleDoll · 22/06/2019 02:32

One thing I will say is. I've not had an affair as such. I had sex once with my now fiance and ended my relationship 3 days later.

Firstly I want to mention the all consuming guilt I felt over that. It was not worth doing it that way. I punished myself for a long time. Even though our relationship genuinely was in pieces and we both knew we didnt want to be together. I have hundreds of messages from our conversations where we spoke about how unhappy we were with each other. We were just more scared to leave each other. We wasted 30 grand trying to distract ourselves from how unhappy we were. There is proof of absolutely everything I say. And although it might seem like justification at the time, it did to me, once you cross that line you cant take it back.

I felt so guilty I actually couldn't remember that until a few months ago and only because my partner mentioned it a couple of times and described some of it and then it came back.

It wasnt worth ruining the fact I'd never been unfaithful. It wasnt worth the guilt. The horrible dizzy feeling in my head constantly. Not the good kind of dizzy you're imagining right now.

Secondly, I want to point out that if you cant leave him, what on earth will you do if he finds out? You will potentially have to live with him even for a short period after.

Like I did. For 3 months. And it was hell. We were both miserable and bitter as sin. Our children suffered quite a lot. We couldn't function as adults or parents. My mental health went way dow hill because of how I felt about myself mostly. I couldn't say I'd never been unfaithful anymore. All for the sake of a few hours pleasure, which was ruined by the guilt anyway,which I couldve waited for until I'd ended the relationship. Which I clearly could do because I did it 3 days later. And I cant justify that. We weren't right for each other but he didnt deserve the be deceived that way.

Claiming you cant leave is the cowards way out IMO. If he finds out you may have to. Would you really rather live with the dread of being forced?

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