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Porn - Any scientific data

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ALovingSpirit · 20/05/2019 07:50

Like the Brexit debate the perennial MN porn debate seems to always descend into its bad v it’s ok with the same old arguments axiomatically wheeler out

I’m wondering if anybody has any recent, peer reviewed, scientific papers on the subject?

Specifically

  1. Most porn female actresses are doing it against there will
  2. Porn is extremely damaging to relationships
  3. Porn is damaging to society
  4. Porn is damaging to men

Pretty much all discussions are based on anecdotes rather than hard, scientific research. If anyone has links to papers I’d be interested to see them.

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TheSecondMrsAshwell · 20/05/2019 12:56

Try the NSPCC's "I wasn't sure if it was normal to watch it" about the effect of porn on young people.

www.mdx.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0021/223266/MDX-NSPCC-OCC-pornography-report.pdf

ChuckleBuckles · 20/05/2019 13:06

www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/

Has links to peer review research that may help OP.

Shinyshit · 20/05/2019 14:52

Nothing "anecdotal" about it at all, my marriage is in shreds because of porn, as well as countless other women's here too.

Maddy762 · 20/05/2019 15:04

Failed research here - Attempted study investigating young men who have never watched pornography and they were unable to find any:

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/08/18/research-suggests-all-men-watch-pornography_n_930349.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKTuhGz95C1K4S9TcjBUSUNNKwnnGN6DK3TWU73JzK5B3LKxK1MMmIf8KXHUfH-m7unVY8V78FCjTT2y9gENOJ7NJN7i_gt5V3V30m-ZwySaRM2EyUo8lPX-mLmy7Qn-ePMXodUvnA44UNgNcDCNIkRQpvmNVeefIkerBVrEjyhf

Sassandfaff1 · 20/05/2019 15:26

porn is damaging to men

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GodDammitAmy · 20/05/2019 15:28

Porn is extremely damaging to relationships

It certainly significantly contributed to the breakdown of my marriage.

bigbadbadger · 20/05/2019 15:34

I went to see Jon Ronson talk about porn last night. It was shocking. 1000% increase in erectile dysfunction in men aged 18-24. His pod cast is enlightening. He has huge sympathy for the women who work in the industry and empathy for their lives, which are often incredibly depressing.

Sassandfaff1 · 20/05/2019 15:34

fightthenewdrug.org/get-the-facts/

AsleepAllDay · 20/05/2019 15:37

Can't see how chronic porn viewing helps anyone. I watch it occasionally but have noticed many men who try to replicate it in bed / have their tastes completely shaped by it. Like anything, you can get addicted and the younger the men are who watch it, the more it's their one reference for what sex is

LexMitior · 20/05/2019 15:49

Well it can be good or bad but critically the men who watch a lot are selfish and rather bad in bed!

It’s s bit like dating a man who only likes eating microwave meals. Limited. It’s technically food but it’s not good food, you’ll never remember it as a source of pleasure and it’s for lazy buggers who can’t be bothered to learn.

Mummytoonlychild · 20/05/2019 17:56

I watch porn, my ex when we were together watched porn, we even watched it together I think it's not damaging to relationship's but that's my opinion

Michaelbaubles · 20/05/2019 18:00

I think all or most men watch porn BUT in my experience there is a huge difference between those who see porn as their sex life and any RL experience as an attempt to replicate it (bad in bed, no emotional connection, no real attempt to pleasure a woman) and those who see porn as an “it’ll do” in times of need when no real sex is on the table - those guys maintain their enthusiasm and preference for real sex and love an actual body, squidgy bits, smells, tastes and all. They’re good in bed!

Michaelbaubles · 20/05/2019 18:02

Try asking a guy you’re sleeping with what they think about when they’re masturbating - good lovers usually say “you!” without hesitation or guile and a grin on their face. Bad ones are not so forthcoming because they’re thinking about something they’ve seen online instead. Their heads aren’t in the game and that’s why they’re bad in the sack.

Sassandfaff1 · 20/05/2019 18:07

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Deathgrip · 20/05/2019 18:21

I was in a relationship with a porn addict that absolutely destroyed me - my self esteem, my self worth, my understanding of relationships, of sex.

I also had a few casual relationships with men who watched a lot of porn - the majority of them resulted in me being sexually assaulted and, on one occasion, raped.

Porn might be a fun little thing you watch from time to time for some people. For others, excessive consumption or consumption from an early age can be beyond dangerous and damaging.

Your Brain On Porn and Fight The New Drug are excellent resources. For anyone where I was, you might be hearing that this is the norm - all men watch porn, what are you moaning about, god you’re so controlling...

For those of you in this boat, I’m wondering if any of this sounds familiar: encouraging you to dye your hair / wear different make up and realise he’s styling you after whichever porn actress he’s obsessed with that week, wondering what’s the next thing your partner will do to you to try and make real life sex interesting again, your partner only being able to climax from masturbation and this taking up to an hour while you lie there being stared at (not allowed to make eye contact or any noise), having to do things you find degrading and humiliating and your partner actually wanting you to feel like that as it’s then only way they can get aroused, finding out your partner is secretly filming you around your house, suggesting you get new breasts or remove all of your pubic hair or learn to deep throat because that will be the thing that gives him the ability to ejaculate, being blamed for his inadequacies (not firm enough, not perky enough, not thin enough, not enthusiastic enough, not willing to do the latest thing they’ve seen on the internet, or that your very small vagina is not small enough), expecting you to have theatrical orgasms within 30 seconds of seeing his penis and getting very angry when you don’t, their only interest in your orgasms is trying to make you ejaculate and berating you when you can’t, etc.

It doesn’t have to be like this, I promise. This is not all (or even most) men.

I realise some will read this and think I was just with a psychopath. Nope. I joined a lot of support groups for this issue when I left and heard almost identical stories to mine hundreds of times. I saw elements of it in the earlier shorter relationships with other porn users.

I get the rage when people dismiss the harm that porn can do. There’s plenty of evidence but people who like it don’t want it to be true and will bend over backwards to defend it.

And that’s not even getting into the accounts of female performers who’ve left the industry - there’s a lot of them out there, some projects have even gathered accounts. The physical injuries, mental health issues, suicide attempts, drug abuse just to get through the next scene... and all the while people are getting off to this footage. Lovely.

What about the GPs in naice areas reporting on the increase in sex-related injuries (especially anal injuries) to teenage girls?

I often wonder if people who ask these questions have seen the content of mainstream porn these days? Seriously, go to pornhub and look at the videos on the home page and the most popular searches and then tell me that porn is a healthy thing.

There’s plenty of proper scientific evidence but all you need to do is look at it.

Deathgrip · 20/05/2019 18:42

I think all or most men watch porn
No, they don’t. I suspect almost all men have seen porn at some point or other, especially those who grew up with access to the internet, but there are plenty of adult men who dislike porn, just as there are plenty of men who dislike lapdancing clubs. Just read the screenshots posted above. Anyone who knows that the women in the footage they are watching are being physically injured, mentally damaged and dependent on drugs to get through it, and can still get aroused by that... well, they should see a therapist, stat. Of course that’s not all women in porn, but you don’t know which they are. I have several Male friends who are open about the fact that they watched porn in their youth when they didn’t really think too hard about the reality of it but once they were aware of it they could no longer watch it. This shouldn’t be news to anyone, but of course some people don’t want to hear it.

BUT in my experience there is a huge difference between those who see porn as their sex life and any RL experience as an attempt to replicate it (bad in bed, no emotional connection, no real attempt to pleasure a woman) and those who see porn as an “it’ll do” in times of need when no real sex is on the table - those guys maintain their enthusiasm and preference for real sex and love an actual body, squidgy bits, smells, tastes and all. They’re good in bed!

I’m afraid this is a very simplistic view. Men who start out using porn to get by because they’ve got no others offers can end up with it being their real / only sex life, and that in turn can influence not only their idea of what sex is, but how their body functions in response to sexual stimuli. They can’t get the novelty, immediacy and heightened nature of porn with a real partner. They don’t see women’s enjoyment as an equal part of sex, or what it takes to give actual enjoyment. They get used to the sensation of masturbation and everything else becomes less effective or completely ineffective. This can happen on a large and obvious scale or a much smaller subconscious scale.

Some men (probably the majority) need to learn that masturbation and porn use are not inextricable - one does not need porn to masturbate, and that actually it can be seriously detrimental to their sex life, relationships and enjoyment of sex altogether.

SignedUpJust4This · 20/05/2019 19:05

Porn is so prevalent amongst teenage boys I seriously worry about what my daughters first sexual experiences will be like if this is what their boyfs have been viewing for years. Porn addicts make shitty lovers.

ALovingSpirit · 20/05/2019 19:17

Thanks for all of the replies. From what I’ve read there doesn’t seem to be any causality proven between porn consumption and society?

I think the MDPI Behavioural Studies paper is the most interesting. It suggests a string link but nobody has proven one yet.

The rise in ED is certainly interesting data, but it could be caused by the same issues that have caused a rise in food allergies too.

I guess it’s a “watch this space” until the link is proven?

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