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How does your DH talk to you?

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Merchant · 14/05/2019 11:36

I’m really struggling with my marriage at the moment. It’s been bad for a couple of years and due to all the stress I’ve developed anxiety and sleep issues. I’ve sort of lost sight of what’s normal. Can I ask those in a long term marriage how does your OH talk to you? Tone of voice etc? It feels like my DH pushes back on every single thing I say. Holding any sort of conversation with him has become impossible. It’s led to me being incredibly unhappy. I used to love a good old chat. Shooting the breeze but now with him, whatever I say gets challenged and shot down and pushed against...I don’t know if I’m being too sensitive but it’s led to me not telling him things. For example, if I wanted to go swimming in the sea one morning I simply would go and not tell him. I’d say I’m off to the gym (as that’s my normal expected routine) but I wouldn’t say “hey I’m off to swim in the sea”. If I told him that’s where I’m going I’d get an atmosphere back and questioned and some sort of low level undermining. I find him over-riding me. He’s very sure of himself and competitive and has to know everything and be right all the time and it’s led to me taking a back seat in our marriage. We live near his family, his friends, in a house he wants to live in. Put simply, he’s always got his own way and my needs don’t seem to count. It’s impossible to express my needs because he becomes very defensive. However, for me, the worst thing is the daily pushing back in any conversation. Does anyone else get this? I’m having my own counselling at the moment so I’m trying to work through all of this as my self esteem and self confidence are at an all time low.

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Sarcelle · 14/05/2019 11:56

Sometimes he does it, but I pull him up on it. I think it is like they take you for granted. My DH is not a misogynist but I just think by the length of time we have known each other, familiarity has set in and we all know what familiarity breeds.

In a lot of situations he thinks he is right, again, I let him get away with so much and then snap. And then he stops for a while and then the cycle begins.

I am beginning to resent all this though. I just find it tedious.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 14/05/2019 11:56

He sounds massively controlling and if he's got you second guessing every single thing you say, then I think he's probably emotionally abusive too.

You say it's all on his terms; how does he behave if he doesn't get his own way?

It's horrible to feel that your needs don't count; they DO. Why would he even care if you're swimming in the sea or in a pool? How does that affect him?

I think it's great that you are already having counselling. Please do not have joint counselling with him. For the sake of your self esteem and your self confidence I would seriously consider leaving. Do you have your own finances? Do you have any kids with him?

cakecakecheese · 14/05/2019 11:56

I had an ex who if I said something that he didn't know about he'd say I was wrong or making it up so I'd end up Googling whatever it was to prove it to him, like the time he didn't think burpees existed Confused It was exhausting and really irritating.

It doesn't sound like your husband is being very respectful towards you.

Has the councelling helped at all?

Strugglingtodomybest · 14/05/2019 12:04

DH and I have been together for almost 18 years and talk to each other like normal, I guess like friends? Sometimes I get snappy with him, but I will quickly pull myself up on it because I don't want to turn into my mum!

Your situation sounds awful, it's no wonder you've got anxiety and low self-esteem. What would happen if you sat him down to have a proper talk about it?

Merchant · 14/05/2019 12:05

I’m early days with counselling so it’s wait and see but in the few sessions I’ve had it’s definiteky helping me to have somebody to turn to. I feel utterly run down. We have small children and I am independently financially secure so no worries there. I’m just anxious, unhappy and feel like I’m walking through treacle on a daily basis. It’s got to the point where I don’t even want to talk to him which leaves me feeling incredibly lonely. I used to have a brilliant life before I met him. Lots of friends, happy, lived in an area that I loved. Now I’m stuck somewhere I have no support system and he’s holding all the cards. I just don’t know what to do for the best but feel like I’m being slowly run down more and more. Just wondering if anybody can relate to that feeling?

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Chamomileteaplease · 14/05/2019 12:09

When I was married I remember realising that the feeling I often got from my husband was that of being bulldozed. I always felt bulldozed into doing something. It took a while to realise it and then to challenge each episode.

It sounds like you are waking up and starting to realise that things are not right.

It is great that you are having counselling - sometimes it is hard just to find the time to just think about these things. Once you have had that, you can then take some sort of action. Best of luck.

Merchant · 14/05/2019 12:13

Everything you said chamomileteaplease resonates with me. I feel like I’m being bulldozed constantly. I can’t ever just express my feelings or wants/needs/opinion. It’s exhausting.

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EKGEMS · 14/05/2019 12:39

You don't have to live like this! You can walk away from the relationship at anytime if you're miserable! You can be happy again with someone who loves and respects you

Merchant · 14/05/2019 13:01

I’m too old and run down for that EKGEMS! I’m on the wrong side of 45, flabby, exhausted, shy and not really a looker. I’m ok but to be honest, I’m not the sort of person people look twice at. It’s ok I got used to that. I was the only girl at my secondary school that none of the boys ever tried flirting with. I didn’t lose my virginity until I was almost 20! The boy thing just never ran smoothly for me. If I leave my marriage then it’s with the knowledge that I’ll be alone and pretty certain he’ll end up with a prettier/younger GF to rub my face in it with for the rest of my days. Pretty impossible to win in my situation I’m afraid. I’m sort of resigned to sticking it out the best I can so that I at least get to see my kids every day and don’t have the pain of hearing them ever call somebody else Mum

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chestylarue52 · 14/05/2019 23:40

*Merchant

I’m too old and run down for that EKGEMS! I’m on the wrong side of 45, flabby, exhausted, shy and not really a looker. I’m ok but to be honest, I’m not the sort of person people look twice at. It’s ok I got used to that*

Wow this really stuck out to me. 'I xajt leave my awful relationship because I'm not a looker and not the sort of person people look at'.

You know that you don't exist to be looked at, right? You exist to live your life, fulfil your own goals and dreams and objectives. To do and to enjoy.

Trust me there's nothing wrong with being without a partner. Sounds like you're entirely lonely at the moment.

I don't have a partner and my life is full of love and friendship and family (kin or not) and joy. You can win.

Teddybear45 · 14/05/2019 23:44

My DH was like this. So I did it back to him both guns blazing and he hasn’t done it since. You need to be assertive.

FuriousVexation · 15/05/2019 01:42

I absolutely repeat what Chesty said.

If your H is speaking to you disrespectfully, is that because your self respect is so low in the first place?

You're a human being, and worthy of all the love and respect that we all are.

MrsTeaspoon · 15/05/2019 06:04

We talk to each other like best friends as that’s what we are. We are rarely cross with each other so for large majority of the time Talk is softly-spoken, mannerly and courteous, considerate. We both listen.

Your children are growing up hearing you being denigrated and your views dismissed...I really hope they choose not to be like that/partner up with that when older.

madmother1 · 15/05/2019 06:15

45 is nothing!!! My exDH and I split up when I was 49. I had 5 years on my own and then met my lovely DP of 3 years online. He is completely different from my previous DH. We chat and chat about nothing. He is very encouraging.
I remember waking up every day in the latter years of my marriage, feeling utterly lonely and miserable. Although painful to live through, splitting up left me feeling relieved and happy. You need to sit down with your DH and explain how you feel and either try to rekindle your relationship or leave.

Icandothisallday · 15/05/2019 06:47

OP, it was the type of behaviour that made me realise I was being abused

I was married at 20. At around 34, I remember mentioning a story I saw on the news to (now ex) DH. He didnt even let me finish the sentence, told me how it was all bollocks and I was thick for believing it. I remember just standing there, feel like a piece of shit. I cant remember what the new story was and I wasnt expressing an opinion it saying it was correct. Ibdidnt even get that far.

We owned a business together. A few days after the indicent above I remember listening to him talking about how his role was so much harder than my role and my team should count themselves lucky. Again I just agreed. I knew, if I countered it there would be a huge argument.

A few days later we had an argument about it anyway. He obviously wanted a reaction to first time. Didnt get it so carried on. I snapped and told him he was talking rubbish. He came back with 'well you agreed the other day. Were you lying? Are you a liar?' I remember shouting that yeah I did lie. I lied all the time to him, that I pretend to not have an opinion, nor disagree with him because he throws tantrums, makes me feel like shit and has such ego he cant stand anyone to disagree with him.

After that I changed how I acted. I refused to rise to it. Ignored his attempt at manipulation. His parents lived a 2 hour drive away. One morning in the school holidays he got up at about 10am, I was up with the kids. He came and said 'we could have gone to mum and dads today....but.....' . I know for a fact that he wanted me to say 'let's go then'. So that when ds (4 at that time) started playing up on the way home it would be my fault for suggesting it. Kids dont want to spend 4 hours in the car for a 2 hour visit to grandparents who expect them to sit quietly while the grown ups talk. Instead of saying 'let's go'. I just said 'oh'. As predicted later he had a go because i didnt suggest it. I pointed out he didnt say 'shall we go?'. I told him he needed to stop playing fucking games.

From that point our marriage went down hill. I gave my opinion and when he spoke to me like shit I would say 'ok, I thought you wanted my opinion. This is one of the converstations where you donr want my opinion. You want me to lie and make myself a liar to make you feel better?'.

Eventually he got counselling. It didnt help. He told me what he was telling the counsellor and everytime I had to point out he was wrong. What he had told her had not happened. Like he told her his behaviour started when we has briefly split up 7 years before. I pointed out that, this behaviour actually split us up and gave him several examples of it. So her advice that it was based on him feeling I would leave again, was bollocks. Because she hadnt got the whole story.

He changed, but got worse. He said the right things. But startes going through my phone. Linked my phone to my laptop, so he could track my movements. I left the business and got a job so I had my own money. He would park outside work, because he was convinced I was going to hotels in the middle of the day. He told me he found a receipt for condoms on the floor in the house that had fallen out of my pocket. He wouldnt admit he had been through my pockets. I got the receipt out and it was for petrol and milk.

I left. Less than a year later he was living with his new girlfriend and her kids. I was single, in a home I bought just me and the kids. And life is amazing. I am, now, seeing someone. He is brilliant. We dont live together and have no plans to. We have been together almost 2 years.

It was hard at first. But writing this post reminds me of how bad life was. My life is hectic. Up early. Kids ready for school, me to work. Dp works nights sobhe pops in before his shift. The kids look forward to his visits. He stays when the kids are at their dads. I have my best friend, round the corner. Have friends that live on my street. It's hard. But brilliant.

No matter how bad you think it will be to split. It will be better than it is now. You wont be alone forever, unless you want to be. He is abusing you. Your kids will see this. It's not the life you or them should have.

user1479305498 · 15/05/2019 09:48

Like the lady above, we too work in the same business, a combination of ‘spoke too like shit’ and good friends. I would never advise anyone again to work with their partner, I think if you have a guy who is naturally a bit bossy, but if a control freak you will end up feeling like a bit of a wayward employee and it’s very hard to get them to switch off

Merchant · 15/05/2019 10:35

Thank you everyone who has taken the time to reply. I really appreciate it. I’m reading every reply and it’s helping.

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HollowTalk · 15/05/2019 10:40

If your H is speaking to you disrespectfully, is that because your self respect is so low in the first place?

What an awful thing to say. Don't you think being spoken to disrespectfully has caused the problem?

billy1966 · 15/05/2019 17:17

He's a bully OP. Awful to live with.
The good news is you are not financially beholden to him. Thank goodness.

Life is too short to live in such a miserable, stressful environment.

For you or your children.
Ducks in a row and make a plan.
Best of luck to you.

ravenmum · 15/05/2019 17:33

What kind of counselling are you doing? Is it helping? You sound so down on yourself.

If I told my exh something he didn't know he'd reply "Maybe" or, like a pp's ex, act like I was making it up. Got worse when he had his OW, presumably as she was a source of great wisdom (like everyone else but me!). The last time I Googled something as proof was shortly before he left. Current bf doesn't require proof.

I was 45 when I left, have never been attractive and was VERY shy as a youngster - I lost my virginity at 23, to my exh. He thought he was the world's greatest lover, and told the OW that he felt like he had taught me as best he could, but I wasn't going to learn any more.

After some comparison it turns out that he's at most an average lover.

RamblinRosie · 16/05/2019 01:06

My normal, at the end of the day is:

6pm watch Eggheads, mildly competitive question answering.

6.30 cook dinner, usually I cook, he sous chefs (chops, peels and washes up), we discuss stuff we’ve seen in the paper or online, with an occasional google to confirm details, if we disagree.

Also currently discussing how to vote and why, we’re both tactical voters so quite intense but we both LISTEN to each other. We often vote differently.

He’s recently been doing some financial planning for retirement, at every stage he’s wanted my input and has taken any of my concerns very seriously.

We both value each other’s opinions, neither of us would dream of taking a major decision without agreeing it with the other.

In over 35 years of marriage, he’s never talked down to me.

You don’t deserve this

Pinkarsedfly · 16/05/2019 01:24

DH talks to me with love in his voice. Gentle and kind and affectionate.

My XH argued the toss about every fucking thing. Exhausting.

iwunderwhy · 16/05/2019 01:46

I love the advice you've been given today.. really smart stuff. Your financial independence is your freedom key. If you get your head around the belief you deserve better and you MUST set that example to your kids by doing, you will walk. And as these lovely people are telling you, then new opportunities and real love will follow.

Shitonthebloodything · 02/06/2019 07:59

We very rarely have anything that looks like serious conversation (unless there's something we actually need to be grown up about). Most of the time we just take the piss out of each other and a lot of what we say to each other is made up of in jokes, we laugh a lot together. We don't make decisions without each other - although I'm the adult decision maker, and it's each of our jobs to be the kind ear or voice of reason for each other.
What we have is a world away from my previous marriage where I spent years walking on eggshells so as not to upset or undermine my overly sensitive ExH who would not be questioned or disagreed with. There's better out there, honestly.

Ohyesiam · 02/06/2019 08:12

My husband is a teacher and house head. So used to bossing teens about, taking responsibility and being in charge.
He can have trouble stopping at home, which fucks me off no end. If he questions me unnecessarily, micro manages or sticks his oar in, I push back . I try to start with “ your not at work now” but usually go in with “ piss off!” . It’s akways worse when he’s stressed, but there’s an off switch when he relaxes.

But your situation sounds different. It sounds like he really wants control. I’m glad your having counselling, you deserve an equal relationship, to be heard.

My mum was very controlling and I found it really hard to know who I was, as I was just a minion to her needs. You really lose your identity don’t you?

Sending you strength op. Flowers

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