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Blotted copybook with The One - PLEASE help me fix it?

87 replies

Phoenix1971 · 12/05/2019 21:40

Hello all

Last month I made an absolutely horrendous error of judgement and wonder if anyone had any thoughts on how to win back the affection of the person who bore the brunt of it, please?

Last year, for 4 or 5 months, I was seeing someone who I loved very much, albeit it was very unusual in a number of ways. It was the only relationship I've ever had with a Muslim and the only one where we never had any arguments face to face; when we were together it was like heaven and I was on the verge of proposing to her. I know chemistry when I see it and I experienced levels of it with that woman that I had not experienced with anybody else, except perhaps my first GF. I would think something and suddenly I'd hear her saying it, like she'd read my mind. I thought I had met my soul mate for the rest of my later life (I am 49 and she is 51), which she herself had said enough in any case, hence my referring to her as The One. But when we were apart it was hell. We were constantly bickering over nothing and she seemed chronically insecure - one day I would get a Whatsapp telling me how much she loved me, followed by one a day or 2 later telling me I was dumped. I found this exasperating and would unfortunately verbally lash out with angry Whatsapps, which happened more and more the more times I got messages telling me I was dumped. She would speak of feeling 'terrified that I would lose my temper' and the whole thing looked like a vicious circle.

Eventually matters came to a head in June when I got one dump-o-gram too many and upset her with my angry response, so much so that she sent a stern message saying she didn't want any more communication with me. I did try sending her a couple of letters / emails / notes on her car to try to say 'sorry, it was said in the heat of the moment' but all to no avail, and in any case I stopped any attempting any communication when shortly after I got a message telling me that if I did she would report me to HR at our mutual workplace for harassment.

This left me in an incredibly sad place and it was months before I met anyone else - a nice person from the evening class I'd started doing that Autumn. I saw her a few times and things looked to be developing nicely.

Then, believe it or not or not, just before Christmas, The One contacted me via email, saying we hadn't talked things through properly back in the summer and asking if we could meet and see if there might be some common ground between us. So, we met. We each said sorry to each other and I could see a lot more clearly where she was coming from. I was certainly not without blame myself and I said that to her. We talked a lot about whether to pick up where we left off or not. We each said that we felt broken by what had happened in the relationship and how neither of us had ever felt so strongly for anybody else. I thought to myself 'I shouldn't be expecting anything.' She made it clear that she couldn't do it now, and that she needed more time.

Long story short - we've been seeing each other as friends (at her insistence) once or twice a week ever since then. although a few times we've kissed and held hands. I was happy to let it develop at its own pace and it was fairytale.

Meanwhile, after meeting up with The One before Christmas, I said to the evening class person who, by this time I'd met 4 or 5 times, that ours was a platonic relationship, with which she seemed OK. I went travelling for a month over Christmas and was in touch pretty frequently with her, if anything more often than The One - I guess I should have picked up on this, but thought she was just a good friend. I did not tell either woman about the other on the basis that it would lead to me being subjected to a grilling of questions and getting accused of cheating; in my own mind I was not, because there was nothing physical going on between any of us (I'll duck right now to avoid the rotten egg being thrown at my head).

For the first few months after I got back from travelling, I'd see The One once or twice a week, ostensibly as friends but understood by both of us that it was developing beyond friends, while I'd be meeting the evening class person at a similar frequency. From my perspective we were just friends but truth be known even I began to realise that she had deeper feelings than just friendship.

Then I got ill and had to go to hospital for 10 days or so, and here is where the debacle that's given rise to this post comes from. I'd been to see my GP earlier in the day and been immediately referred to the hospital, as he didn't like the symptoms I'd presented with. Upon arrival at the hospital, they echoed what the GP had said, immediately admitted me and commenced pumping me full of antibiotics. Here's the nub of the problem - once they'd heard about me being admitted, they both wanted to see me ASAP. The One was due to go away for Easter on the very next day, while evening class girl wasn't going away, but just wanted to see me. What I did was incredibly stupid BUT if everything and everyone had done what they were supposed to do, when they were supposed to do it, the 2 wouldn't have met. The One was supposed to arrive about 3 and be gone by 6 (and had told me she had last-minute packing to do after 6, so it looked to tie in well), while evening class girl was due to arrive at 8. However The One arrived 2 hours later and showed no inclination to go at 6, on the basis that she wanted to spend as much time with me as possible - I have to admit it was absolutely lovely having her there! As 8 PM drew closer, I grew more and more agitated and The One started to ask why. I had to think on my feet and dream up some !!!!-and-bull story about having to go for an antibiotic injection later on - so what did she do, but spoke to the ward staff and ascertained that there WAS no such appointment! Coming closer to 8, she suddenly said 'OK, I'll let you get on with what you've got to do' and off she went - apparently. About 15 mins later, she called me and said 'I've bought some food for you and I'm bringing it up to your ward'. At this point evening class lady arrived and there I was like a sitting duck waiting for The One to come into the ward and for them to see each other. Which they did, and said 'hello' very stiffly and briefly before The One left again. The One was leaving anyway, but evening class lady was still sitting there and asked who the other woman was; needless to say she stormed out when she heard the answer.

Sure enough, since then I've had some very apocalyptic and richly-deserved messages from both of them and they have both made it clear they don't feel they can trust me and want nothing further to do with me. I feel absolutely mortified by what's happened. Hand on heart it wasn't on purpose, but nevertheless it happened. I look to have lost not one but two absolutely lovely women, who cared for me and did me no harm, while one of them I loved more than anyone I've ever met apart from possibly my first GF and was planning on proposing to.

I've been frantically sending both of them Whatsapps and emails, plus a letter or two to The One. Below is an excerpt/digest from the sort of responses I've been getting from The One:

I need space from all this I’m sorry. I just need to cry it out, let it out... grieve... Not answers. Not promises. I need to get over this, before I can even think about going forward whichever way. I don’t know how long it will take. So please understand no more contact. No phone calls, voicemails or emails. Just leave me be, if u have any love at all, out of respect for what I am going through. I’m sorry. If I didn’t love u it wouldn’t hurt so much
[22/04} The idea of going through all of it again is agonising. Love/dating/wherever it is we had is about feeling happy, excitement, butterflies, sensuality, euphoria... all I feel is sadness and heartache. We are dealing with big stuff, stuff that couples married for a while go to for counselling, after they’ve had all the wonderful stuff in marriage. This isn’t something I or u are able to handle on our own... I certainly can’t, the thought of going through it together makes me so anxious. There are so many emotions so much anger, questions, and I’m too vulnerable and my health is really suffering, I can’t handle this right now. We will just end up bickering... I won’t be happy, neither will you. I’m sorry. I tried but I’m not strong enough or resilient enough to overcome this. And we’re not even a couple, what hope is there later?
[23/04] Please I told you not to contact me again. And don’t ever say ‘love you ‘ to me again either, you don’t know the meaning of the word and you lost the right to say it to me. I am not your love.
[03/05, 18:45] . Hi X I hope you are well. Ive only just read through your emails and heard your voicemails - as you can appreciate my first week of my new job was quite intense and hectic, so haven't had the chance to go through your messages. It feels like ages, and the last memory I actually have seeing you was in the hospital, not making eye contact when I came by with a candlelit dinner, so I’m sure you understand my heartache, it felt like I was suddenly struck on the head out of nowhere and I still feel disoriented and in shock. Whatever your reasons, for me it felt like a cruel blow and a breach of trust and respect, you had always gone on about the importance of communication, I thought we told each other everything. So I felt like a fool, standing there, watching you both, like a stranger to your life. You say it is me you want to do all those things with and me you love, yet there I was and it felt quite the opposite. I don’t want your pity, or for you to say those things to try make me feel better about myself... I accept I wasn’t the one, and will pick myself up, at least the work is keeping me occupied. And I don’t want to hold you back either, or compete for your affection- you made a choice and I will not fight for anyone’s love, it should be given freely and whole heartedly with an open heart. So I wish you both every happiness. Life is too short for grudges, and I accept the fact that I was not enough for you, it doesn’t make me any less loveable, desirable or beautiful, perhaps in your eyes it does, but I’m sure one day I will meet someone who appreciates me for what I am. I will take the beautiful moments, and there were many, with me, Je me regrette rien... You showed me how to love, and experience such joy I am truly grateful. I don’t blame you, i just wasn’t enough or meant for you. So no point in talking or meeting, no more tears, no more lies. It’s time to move on. Stay well, and smile always, x

These messages have made me feel sick, they really have. There is no way I am EVER going to put myself in this position again, double-booking people like that! The One and I have had plenty of fallouts in the past, but they have been like storms in teacups compared to this, and this is the only time apart from the message in June when I haven't eventually been able to talk her round. If this was just anyone, then sure I'd be sad for a week or 2 and then I'd be over it and meet someone else. But I had to wait 48 years before I met someone I clicked with like her, and I WANT HER BACK! She is so wrong in saying she wasn't enough for me - she is the love of my life.

Unsurprisingly, she feels she has lost trust in me so I need to somehow rebuild her trust, counter her beliefs about my character, reassure her, and it is this I would welcome anyone's thoughts on.

As an aside, in June last year she cut communication very decisively, quite nastily truth be known. This year, although she (admittedly) had more of a reason and had lashed out quite extensively with texts about my actions, she hasn't so far made any threats to report me to HR again, or done so, despite me writing her a number more 'please could we give it another go?' emails and texts than the last time. There was another time last year when a friend of mine wrote her an email pointing out how much I loved her and offering to try and broker a reconciliation; to him she wrote a nice reply but to me it was more 'how dare you tell your friends our personal business.' This time around, another friend did a similar thing and although she didn't reply to him, neither did she say anything to me, whether nice or nasty. Does this mean there could be some prospect?

Look forward to hearing people's thoughts!

Cheers

OP posts:
Mummaofmytribe · 13/05/2019 01:42

Good grief

Limpshade · 13/05/2019 03:51

You played two women and one of them dumped you. How you've managed to make this into Mills & Boon is at least impressive. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's utter bullshit, but still!

EverybodysTalkingAtMe · 13/05/2019 04:11

I can always tell when a man has written a post by the sheer length of the bloody thing. You really are fond of the sound of your own voice, aren't you?

Now jog on, you cheating narcissistic twat.

ComicSans · 13/05/2019 04:16

Are you are verbose and self-obsessed in RL?

Also, nice try on minimising the two-timing and the Carry On, Nurse conclusion.

PhilCornwall · 13/05/2019 04:46

Is this even real, or was your evening class a creative writing course?

I've just read this after a nights sleep and need to go back to bed, I'm exhausted!!!

TenSheets · 13/05/2019 04:57

I can always spot a post written by a hand wringing man on here a mile away in the first few lines just by the ridiculously unnatural language used. Are you all the same person?

Here's an "excerpt/digest" (quote) of my thoughts on you - you're a creep and possibly dangerous. Hope that helps

53rdWay · 13/05/2019 04:57

I got one dump-o-gram too many and upset her with my angry response, so much so that she sent a stern message saying she didn't want any more communication with me. I did try sending her a couple of letters / emails / notes on her car

Christ.

ICJump · 13/05/2019 04:57

LT;DR
It’s over. Both of them.

cantfindname · 13/05/2019 05:44

If there is any truth in this sorry saga then it has to be said that you, OP, are a first class, prime example of a pillock.

Your 'two women' have been nothing more to you than an ego-fuelling device. Not certain which of the two I feel sorrier for. I certainly do not feel sorry for you.

You reap what you sow.

Now leave them both alone to find some peace and hopefully they can move on to a brighter future. Use the time to have a long, hard look at your behaviour and true motives.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 13/05/2019 05:48

What a load of old wank. Seriously mate, you're 51 years old. Grow up!

TemporaryPermanent · 13/05/2019 06:11

I'm 50 and don't want a big relationship, and this sort of thing is the reason why. I just don't understand how you are all managing to generate so much drama about so little. You wanted to propose to someone you argued with constantly? why? you don't have to marry people just because you get on and fancy them. You put letters on her car?? There is no such thing as The One - and that's particularly clear in your case.

I say to you what I would say to a woman - ah no, a bit different. Find a men's group. I actually think that 1:1 you are so dysfunctional that even with a male therapist you might struggle to cope, though if you can't find a group it would help. But a robust, challenging men's group and a bit of male company would do you good I think.

DameSquashalot · 13/05/2019 06:11

WTF

MeetMeInMontauk · 13/05/2019 06:28

Speaking as a guy, I find it a huge source of embarrassment that 90% of the threads started in Relationships by males seem only to reinforce the MN narrative regarding the proliferation of one-dimensional, useless men roaming free, more or less everywhere. As mentioned upthread, I hope am pretty sure, actually that this is someone's amateur creative writing effort writ large /poorly. If so, well... a few more sessions needed, I'd wager. If not... fuck me, I've seen better situational awareness in my toddler.

AfterSchoolWorry · 13/05/2019 06:39

I lost the will to live about halfway through and had to abandon the post.

MudCity · 13/05/2019 06:50

Sounds like you, and possibly ‘The One’, are addicted to the drama OP. When things are going well, one of you has to throw a spanner in the works. I’d say you need all this to massage your ego...enjoying having two women ‘caring’ about you. Is it not enough to have a normal (perhaps slightly mundane at times) relationship?

Seriously you are way too old to be behaving like a teenager. This should be posted as a warning to other middle-aged men about the risk of keeping your options open and enjoying the drama that unfolds.

ShirleyAvenue · 13/05/2019 07:28

Even The One is only your number 2- you keep mentioning how you don't like her quite as much as your first girlfriend. Why do you feel the need to rank your girlfriends like this?

It all sounds very juvenile. You and The One both seem to enjoy pointless drama. Just go your separate ways and stay away from relationships until you have got some emotional maturity.

sackrifice · 13/05/2019 07:38

Jaysus.

DameSquashalot · 13/05/2019 07:59

I lost the will to live about halfway through and had to abandon the post

😂

Loopytiles · 13/05/2019 08:01

Lost me at “The One”

DoctorManhattan · 13/05/2019 08:02

Guy here too. Can’t believe you made it to the ripe old age of 51 with such a limited amount of self awareness. Between the Mills/Boon inspired ramblings and the fact that the whole story could have been written in one paragraph, there is a sense of a strong tendency to severely overthink things in your part. Put simply, you’ve got a drama filled connection with one woman and are leading another on. You fcuked up, own it and leave them both alone.

Gamble66 · 13/05/2019 08:08

Fuck me - Here have a grip to go with your lama

PeakedTooEarly · 13/05/2019 08:15

I lost the will after a few paragraphs too sorry. Your thinking seems quite disordered in that you seem to see no middle ground in these people. They are either perfect or the devil incarnate. Try to start seeing people as human beings with flaws and attributes.

Miniloso · 13/05/2019 08:19

You’ve shown yourself to be deeply untrustworthy and played two women. I’m afraid that behaviour has got you what you deserve. Should you meet another woman you value I hope you don’t play her.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 13/05/2019 08:21

Leaving notes on her car is fucking creepy. You've probably really scared her.

She'll have seen the note, had a heart sink moment, wondered if you're watching her right there and then, been really uncomfortable and tried to spot you peeking out behind bushes/cars/whatever, driven off, wondering if you're following, trying to spot you in a car three behind her/flying a drone overhead/whatever, gone home, locked the doors and been peeking out behind curtains looking for you turning up as she phoned her mates to say "he's leaving notes on my fucking car now".

Her mate/mumsnet will have advised her to log this behaviour, tell you she wants no more contact, and if you do it again, to seek advice from the police.

All of this behaviour of yours is very silly, borderline criminal, and deeply, deeply unattractive.

Behave yourself.

PeakedTooEarly · 13/05/2019 08:25

Next time you go to hospital tell no-one.