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Struggling to cope with depressed DH

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Nuckyscarnation · 11/05/2019 14:40

Really could do with some advice regarding coping strategies to deal with DH and his depression.

For context, he has a history of depression, self harm etc (as do I) We have nine month old twins. They are ivf babies and we’re much wanted by both of us (or so I thought!) A year ago we moved to a different part of country to be nearer my parents. It’s been hard on DH. He had to leave a job he enjoyed and he doesn’t like his new one. It’s poorly paid and I’m not working atm so we have barely any money. He doesn’t know anyone here apart from my parents and a few of my friends. The babies were premature and spent quite a lot of time in NICU.
He’s been saying for months that he isn’t happy and it’s clear he is depressed. He has nothing to say to me a lot of the time and just stares off into space. He’s always tired. He doesn’t pull his weight around the house and I easily do 80% of the childcare. I feel like a single parent somedays...

He’s on antidepressants and has just started accessing NHS counselling. Things just don’t seem to be improving though. He says he loves the babies but doesn’t think he’s very good with them. When we argue he’ll say it was my dream to have them and that he’s always just gone along with what I wanted.

I love him but I feel so lost. The worst part of me is frankly furious with him for going on like this when I already have enough to deal with with the babies. I know that’s not fair of me though.

I don’t know what to do. I just want us to be happy with our little familySad

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Nuckyscarnation · 11/05/2019 16:20

He’s made an appointment to go back to his GP. I offered to go with him but he won’t let meSad

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Nuckyscarnation · 12/05/2019 06:12

Anyone? I really need some advice here!

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HoneyWheeler · 12/05/2019 06:21

This is so hard, especially with young babies - I really feel for you both! You both need support at this time. You cannot fix his depression, and it is an illness that he is not in control over - even though sometimes it feels like he could do more to make your life easier. Have you thought of looking for some more support? I say this as someone who lived with a depressive for a long time. In hindsight I wish I had someone to talk to about how it was affecting me, but I just ended up swallowing it and resentment grew.

I don't have heaps of advice for you, I wish I did! But I'm thinking of you and hope things look up soon.

blackcat86 · 12/05/2019 06:38

You cant necessarily help him other than offering support which is what personally, for me, makes the situation so hard (my situation is very similar to yours). What I've found is that I had to work on myself because my MH was then suffering and I was being dragged down. One thing I did was use an app called mush to meet local mums and this often led to family meet ups afterwards. This has really helped DH to meet other dads, hear how things are for them and see them getting involved. I've also asked him (told him) that in order to contribute to childcare he must do 1 thing per day for DD - this could be a bottle, nappy, dinner, bedtime, whatever. It can be at anytime of day as sometimes he works earlier or later. This has really helped his confidence and we can now split the weekends more. I've also arranged for us to do small things as a family like swimming. He has found these difficult but lots of social media pics has given him some positive reinforcement. I've started accessing a local charity that works with women struggling with issues associating with pregnancy and birth and had some therapy which has really helped me. I've also self referred to a local charity who offer parent volunteers to help with a range of things. Obviously it depends where you are but I'm sure if you have a Google or speak to your HV they'll have some local resources. Also dont ever lie for him - I found myself so embarrassed at how crap DH.was that I covered it but now I don't..I dont go around slagging him off but when someone talks about like dad of the bloody year I'm honest that actually it's been really hard and he hasn't ever bathed our baby or done a night wake since he went back to work. He's also not mentally been well. When MIL harps on about how we'll just get over all of this, I tell her I'm sure we will but we'll need couples counselling because DH has said similarly horrific things like he didn't really want our planned baby (DD nearly died as a newborn due to hospital negligence). Its really hard so please try and look after yourself to because MH can be a very selfish illness.

Decormad38 · 12/05/2019 06:49

Im helping my brother at the moment with his mental health and attempting suicide. All I can say is try not to get angry as it probably only confirms the poor view he has of himself. People in this boat can be incredibly draining so is there any way you can share out his support?

Lightsabre · 12/05/2019 06:56

There was another thread on here a short while ago about coping with a depressed partner. It had some good advice - sorry I can't link but if you do a general search it should come up.

FusionChefGeoff · 12/05/2019 07:15

Great advice from pp about looking after yourself.

I guess some of the mental battle for you is to accept that he won't be fulfilling the father role he should - yet - but it's due to illness. And try to make sure you don't have expectations of him - then you can't be disappointed and resentful.

Can you try to get some help eg homestart volunteers or maybe local college for childcare students???

How long has he been on the meds? It might be worth asking for a review if he's not getting any better.

I like to idea of doing 1 thing per day to help but mainly to grow his confidence.

And ask for help!! Tell people he's ill. You have 9 month old twins you must be superwoman!! if he'd broken his leg / both arms - I'm sure people would be very willing to help and this really is no different.

Do you go to baby groups? Try to find some locally to build a network / community for yourselves and also as a distraction from the day to day, twin mums at the groups I went to always had lots of volunteers to help as we were all so incredulous that anyone could do it with two!!

MerryMarigold · 12/05/2019 07:27

You say you do 8 0 per cent of childcare but you're the one at home. And you're the one who has moved to be closer to your friends and family. He has had the trauma of moving, working in a job he hates to provide for his family then he had you bashing in his ear that he's not enthusiastic enough! Can you hear yourself?

Give him some space to adjust and hey himself together. Do the 80 per cent enthusiastically. I'm sure you get some help from family. I'm crying this as someone with depression who had twins too, and a 3yo! My parents helped. I paid someone a couple of afternoons a week so I could do the school run pick up without them and spend some time with ds1. There are ways but I feel like you're ds1 if your dh are way too high. Dh used to come in late and help with putting them or Ds1 to sleep
I was the one up in the night.

This is a hard time but you need to remember that it will pass. Let dh do what he needs to and so being so clingy and demanding.

MerryMarigold · 12/05/2019 07:29

Sorry, that should say your expectations of your dh are way too high, right now.

Stuckforthefourthtime · 12/05/2019 07:37

Its really hard so please try and look after yourself to because MH can be a very selfish illness.

My DH became seriously physically ill and the seriously depressed. Supporting a physical illness was a walk in the park Vs coping with a depressed partner.
MerryMarigold has a point that changing locations and jobs along with the stress of IVF and twins is a lot for him and he does need support too. It's great he's going to the gp again. Has he also talked to his family? Or would he let you call them to call him?

In the meantime, do you get support from your parents? Also agree with getting out to groups and using the Mush app to find others, it really helps. If money is tight, do you have a date for return to work? Or if your parents are around to help with the babies (or he can take them in the evenings) could you do anything for a few hours in the week, even if it's just a few £s from dropping pamphlets or ironing, some money can help.
God luck and don't hesitate to talk to the go on your account too, depression can be a contagious, I think...

SinkGirl · 12/05/2019 07:40

Argh, typed a huge post and lost it, dammit!

We are in a very similar boat with many similarities between our situations although we’ve now moved to toddler stage with our preemie nicu twins. In some ways it’s easier but in others it’s harder - he’s definitely doing the right thing by addressing this now.

How long as he been on the meds? If it’s more than 2-3 months he should ask to try something else. It’s great he’s going to counselling but that takes time too.

Having twins is completely different to having one child, an all hands on deck approach saves the crushing resentment that can wreck a marriage. Yes, mental and physical health issues can make that difficult but we have to do it anyway - since the twins were born I’ve had severe physical illness and MH issues related to birth trauma, anxiety, PND etc. Some days were torture but they had to be fed, changed, held etc and I had to do it. Nobody else was going to, although DH helped when he wasn’t working which helped me too. He’s also had severe bouts of depression and we’ve both had short spells on ADs. We are still together (stronger then ever now), you can get through this.

How was your communication before the twins? IME it’s the quality of the communication between partners that dictates how they get through difficult situations. We’ve had a terribly stressful years with multiple diagnoses for the twins, and no diagnoses for the health issues I’m facing, plus no sex drive for me and all sorts of other things. If we hadn’t been able to talk about all this I swear we’d be divorced now.

It’s great you’ve been able to move closer to family, I can’t tell you how much easier having family around would make our lives. Are they supportive?

Yes, he’s had to change jobs and move away from his friends etc and that’s a sacrifice he’s made for his family (although if that family is supportive and offers respite, it will be a huge help to him too). You’ve made fundamental sacrifices too to have his children (I don’t know about you but twin pregnancy has completely wrecked my body and health, and now you’re taking on the bulk of caring for them too).

Please do not let him tell you that having babies was your idea so it’s your responsibility- unless you obtained his sperm under false pretence or threat of violence, he knew that ejaculating inside a vagina could result in becoming a father. This sets alarm bells ringing for me to be honest. No matter what his MH difficulties, he can’t opt out of the life choices he’s made. I also assume you didn’t force him to move at gun point? If you look back objectively at your relationship, are you so really so dominant and he so passive? I suspect not, but I may be wrong. If not, does he say things like this a lot?

I think what you need is a child free few hours to discuss things properly, if you have family who could facilitate that. Of course as we both know, severe depression makes it incredibly hard to function but I’m certain that if it hit you to the same extent tomorrow, you wouldn’t stop parenting. We don’t get that option - even mums in my area with the most severe MH issues go into a mum and baby unit because continuing to parent your child is important and beneficial for your mental health.

You need to go over everything that’s causing issues for both of you. Of course you need to be sensitive and understanding of the health issues he’s experiencing, but at the same time you shouldn’t need to break yourself because you want to remove every ounce of pressure from him.

Try and find solutions together - if he hates his job, can he find another? Does he have any friends at all where you live - could you each go out once a month even while the other holds the fort? Could you get a night out together once a month?

Don’t say things like “you aren’t pulling your weight and I’m not coping”, say “I’m not coping with never having a break, what can we do about it?” or “I’m struggling to keep on top of the housework, could we afford some help?” or whatever the issues are.

If he hates his job, Is he looking for a new one?
If he feels he’s “not good with the babies” (who is, until they learn? I wasn’t!), what proactive steps is he taking to get better with them?

I know I was guilty of taking everything on, especially in the early days after we got home. But very soon, one of them was readmitted to paeds HDU and I had to stay with him for nearly 2 weeks while DH had the other twin at home. It was a baptism of fire for him - he didn’t know how to make bottles, how to store the breastmilk I was pumping, which clothes would fit them, how to sterilise, etc. I realised pretty quickly that I wasn’t doing either of us any favours, but when I got home I slipped back into it anyway because it’s hard not to.

Every parent needs to know every aspect of caring for their child just in case, especially with twins. Doing that will also help him gain confidence and bond with the babies.

Can you afford any childcare? One morning a week at nursery even, it’s worth the money and great for their development too. Looking back that’s the one thing I’d change about what we did - I wish we had prioritised that because a regular scheduled break of a few hours would have been very good for my own mental health. In that first year I felt like I was on a hamster wheel and I could not keep up - I never had a moment to breathe.

It’s hard to say too much specifically as depression varies so much - if he really physically can’t cope with taking care of the children then that’s different, but if he’s being proactive about getting better then I’d give him some time until things improve. However, if he’s managing to go to work every day then it seems he should be able to manage to do more parenting.

Of course, if he’s suicidal and bedbound that’s a very different scenario than if he’s using relatively mild depression to shirk responsibility. I don’t know which it is. Regardless, medication should help him get to the point where he can be more objective and see more clearly. I do think that spending time caring for the twins will help him though - it’s how we bond with them, and that won’t happen without him doing the work.

SinkGirl · 12/05/2019 07:44

You say you do 8 0 per cent of childcare but you're the one at home. And you're the one who has moved to be closer to your friends and family. He has had the trauma of moving, working in a job he hates to provide for his family then he had you bashing in his ear that he's not enthusiastic enough! Can you hear yourself?

I am gobsmacked - can you hear yourself?!

Her DH works full time while she’s at home. Do you think 80% of caring for twins happens 9-6 Monday to Friday? If you’ve had twins I am certain you know it doesn’t.

You’re calling moving house and jobs trauma, to a woman who’s given birth to twins and seen them through NICU and now says she often feels like a single parent despite being married?

Wow.

Stuckforthefourthtime · 12/05/2019 07:48

And also MerryMarigold - I did agree with some of your points but seriously...

He has had the trauma of moving, working in a job he hates to provide for his family then he had you bashing in his ear that he's not enthusiastic enough!

She's had the trauma of IVF, carrying twins, giving birth to twins, caring for twins all day (and not all babies sleep enough to do household jobs while caring for two crawlers) then finding that once DH comes home he doesn't want to help out with housework or childcare, he husband is saying he never wanted the children. You assume her parents help, and use the example of how you could pay for more help, which op clearly can't
Most importantly though, have you ever had a seriously depressed partner? It's like doing all your regular work, plus theirs, plus trying to be Pollyfeckinganna, all while wearing lead shoes and under a constant raincloud

To quote you, "can you hear yourself?"

Op it sounds like you're both having a hard time, hope you can get more support and soon the sun will come out and this will be an exhausting blur of a time, you'll look back and wonder how you made it, but you will Flowers

Ash559 · 12/05/2019 07:57

I wanted to say, first of all i do feel for you both in this challenging situation.

I almost had a child with my ex, as she really wanted children, but in the end i just couldnt do it as i knew it was not the lifestyle i wanted. Did you discuss in real depth with your husband if he wanted children because he wanted them?

SinkGirl · 12/05/2019 08:03

Discuss in real depth? They had IVF. Do you know what IVF entails? Do you know what shes had to go through physically and mentally in order to get pregnant in the first place, let alone since?

If he didn’t want a baby, he shouldn’t have continued with invasive fertility treatments.

OP, please do not let him make you feel like he only had babies for your sake - not only is that bullshit, but if it weren’t then I could have spoken up before you were painfully having eggs extracted and injecting yourself, couldn’t he?

NabooThatsWho · 12/05/2019 08:15

Do you think if he was in a job he enjoys he would still be depressed? Would that make the biggest difference?

blackcat86 · 12/05/2019 08:52

I'm going to go against the grain here and share that what actually helped me and DH (having been where you are albeit with one baby and starting to come out the otherside) was brutal honesty and no sugar coating. I'd taken on all the childcare, his moods, him moaning about how tired and awful he felt despite me doing all the nights and having a PND and PNA diagnosis and I figured it was do or die really because if that was it, then I'd rather divorce. I just couldn't do it anymore. So I starting losing my shit and 3 evenings of blazing rows ensued. I said everything I had bottled up. I told him how fucking dare he say that he had never wanted the baby we nearly bring home because she deserves better than that. How dare he write on Facebook what a great dad he was and do nothing for our baby. How dare he ignore my diagnosis and the advice I was given to have 1 hour a day to myself. Do you know it bloody worked and things started to improve because its easy to wallow if no one challenges but also nothing will change if you continue to protect him from the reality of life with twins.

Nuckyscarnation · 12/05/2019 09:20

Thank you for all the replies. I will answer ASAP. On my own at the moment with a hysterical teething baby, so hands are rather full!

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avocadoincident · 12/05/2019 10:40

Here is a thread where you might find support from people in the same boat

Is there a thread on here for support for wives and girlfriends of people suffering from depressi... http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3478324-is-there-a-thread-on-here-for-support-for-wives-and-girlfriends-of-people-suffering-from-depression-anxiety

Nuckyscarnation · 12/05/2019 14:29

Thank you for all the replies everyone. It’s much appreciated.

We have support from my parents. My DM drives me to baby groups (neither of us drive, but I’m learning at the minute) and helps get our shopping as the village we’ve moved too is quite isolated public transport wise. She will also take a bag of washing for me, watch twins for a few hours with DF etc. DH parents (divorced and remarried respectively) visit when they can but both live several hours drive away.

I try to offer him support, but I will admit so do end up just getting exasperated a lot of the time. Then I feel guilty for getting so exasperated. I suppose I’m still in shock at the fact that the childcare is falling so relentlessly on me. I plan and make every meal for them, I wash all their clothes. He’s taken them out in the pram on his own twice and given them breakfast the same amount of times. We discussed this a few days ago and he said that he feels I’m just better with the babies and he doesn’t really know what he’s doing. Yet ironically it is me who has zero prior experience of babies. He’s got a little brother, friends with children etc. I thought I’d be taking his lead not the other way round! I can’t leave the babies with him. I went out for a 90 minute driving lesson this week and came home to my little girl in hysterics and DH nearly in tears saying she hates him! I’ll admit I got annoyed because I get so little time to myself as it is. He lost his temper back and later went and punched himself in the foot (I saw the bruise later that evening)

@sinkgirl I’m sorry to hear of your own experiences (and everyone else here living with a partner with depression) He’s been on his meds for several months now and they clearly aren’t working. He’s just started his therapy but it’s CBT brief intervention stuff which I’m really not sure is right for him.

He always says afterwards that he doesn’t mean it when he says having babies was my idea and that he loves them. Yet he also says that he never saw himself having babies and he doesn’t know how to be a father to themConfused He worries we’ll always have no money and they’ll be disadvantaged because of this. He is looking for a new job in a very half hearted fashion. He says he needs my help doing applications etc, but I just don’t have enough hours in the day! I used to do all these things for him once upon a time but now it’s just not as easy.

We can’t afford childcare unfortunately. My parents do take them sometimes but only for a few hours. I get anxious if I’m away from them too long and I’ve never left them on an evening etc. They are ebf so leaving them has never been easy.

I’ve never thought to ask about homestart etc. I always assumed I wasn’t eligible. I’ll ask my HV. I do have some good mum friends that I’ve met at my groups. No twin mum friends though.

I just feel myself getting so resentful. He’s in bed now sleeping his eight hours before his night shift. I’ve never slept more than three hours straight since my babies were born. He came in this morning, hovered over me making breakfast for babies and then went to bed. I can’t imagine that degree of freedom!

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SinkGirl · 12/05/2019 14:56

I’m not surprised you feel resentful - I feel it a lot too (eg if DH is sick, he gets a sick day and gets to rest, if I’m sick I have to push through, and it really pisses me off sometimes!).

I don’t mean to sound insensitive because I know how hard it is to keep going through depression but he really really needs to step up. I’m sure mumsnet is full of mums who are continuing to parent through severe depression.

What would happen if you were hospitalised? Or one of your twins was admitted and you had to stay with them - how would he cope? Of course the babies like you more - he does nothing for them in direct terms. I’m completely with the PP who says you need to be firm on this.

He needs to be more proactive in getting help - if he’s too unwell to parent at all then he needs to go and discuss a change of medication. That’s the very least he can do. If he can hold it together enough to work, he can hold it together enough to parent. He doesn’t want to do it, so he’s not.

I realise this will all sound so heartless and I don’t mean it to be - I know how hard it is to look after twins when you’re suffering from depression, but most of us don’t have a choice but to continue. He’s being let off the hook because you’re a good person who doesn’t want him to suffer. That’s lovely to read but I don’t think it’s helping either of you.

He needs to bond with his babies. He needs to be able to look after them alone. You should be equal parents.

Nuckyscarnation · 12/05/2019 15:09

@sinkgirl I’ve actually mentioned to him a few times about wtf would happen if I was hospitalised. He wouldn’t be able to look after the babies. Even now If I say I’ve made (rare) plans, he will always ask if my dm is coming to look after the babies. I actually stormed out and left him with them for four hours on mother’s day (he’d left me to wake up with them first as always and I just snapped) when I got back they were all still in pyjamas! He’ll admit that he has no idea how I manage to get dressed and function while caring for them.

I don’t know if I am a good person tbh. I feel like I spend half my days losing my temper with himSad

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Nuckyscarnation · 12/05/2019 15:13

I should be fair and say he does do some things for the babies. He changes nappies, helps get them dressed/ready for bed etc. He plays with them and our little boy thinks he’s the bees knees.

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Bluntness100 · 12/05/2019 15:13

What was the driver for you moving closer to your parents, what has caused him to agree to this? It does seem it's not working, he's in a job he hates, feels socially isolated, and is struggling with parent hood.

So what caused him to agree to move? He has to take responsibility for his decision but there must have been a reason he thought it was a good idea?

MerryMarigold · 12/05/2019 15:20

Sorry, didn't mean to did too harsh, just that 80 per cent of care seems ok for someone who is home. My dh was ou from 7.45am to 7pm so he probably did about 15 mins /24 hours in the week. At the weekend, we'd split the load (one with babies, one with toddler) or do things as a family but not really one of us having a break. It's difficult if dh sleeps in the day. Sounds like he needs more confidence to handle them, especially if he's feeling useless. If they cry, he probably feels he's doing something wrong rather than they're teething. I think he just needs to do it alongside you /your mum for a bit to gain confidence.