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When the reasons to leave are trivial

51 replies

OkaDokey · 08/05/2019 01:11

Together 20 years (since uni) and married nearly 15 years. H is a negative, pessimistic man and very bossy.

I’ve been doing “grey rock” for the past year and had hoped to keep doing it for another 17 years until our youngest DC goes to university. At that point, I thought I could spend most of my time living in our holiday home (no need to divorce, just be apart most of the time). But in reality I don’t think I can last that long keeping the family together.

Our DC are young (currently 5, 3 and just turned 1). H is a hands on father when he’s around, but we rarely see him Monday through Friday. He works very long hours in a stressful job and I think it drains all of the niceness from him.

He helps a lot around the house when he’s here, so I don’t have any complaints about him being lazy (in fact sometimes I wish he would relax more). We don’t have financial worries and he’s generous on that front and also pays for a weekly cleaner and gardener to help me. We have a beautiful house and nice things and lovely holidays etc. From the outside, I imagine our set up looks fairly idyllic. Underneath, I don’t like him. To others, he is warm, charismatic and entertaining. To me, he’s moody, introverted and negative. I would love to be married to the “external” him, but I know that’s not real.

He’s always the victim, I’m always in the wrong. For example, if he wants a cuddle, he will never just cuddle me or say “I like it when we cuddle”, he’ll say “YOU never cuddle me”. Tonight I stayed up late to make him lunch for tomorrow. He got home at 10:40pm to find me cooking. He’s went to bed in a mood with me, because “I had made him feel bad [by being in the kitchen so late]”. I was actually trying to be helpful.

Why can’t he just be happy??!

I suppose the thing that makes me most sad is that for the majority of our relationship, he’s put a lot of pressure on me about my weight. I’m usually a size 12 (sometimes a size 10). At the moment, I’m a size 14 (nearly a 16 actually). I’ve lost no baby weight since giving birth 12 months ago, as I eat for comfort. There’s never a day that goes by without some dig or reminder that I’m not attractive at the moment. Usually it’s a comment about what I’m eating (“bread isn’t a diet food”) or serving me a smaller portion if he’s cooking (“I didn’t think you’d want x”). For many years, he has made his feelings clear if he finds me unattractive (fat) by turning down nearly all of my efforts to be intimate (I stopped trying to initiate it 4 years ago and since then we’ve had sex 3 times, youngest DC was a massive surprise!!). Since then, he’s tried to initiate twice and I turned him down both times and he hasn’t tried since. On balance, I think he’s asexual.

At the moment, I shower and dress in private. I know my face is attractive, but overall my self confidence is eroded. It is sad, as we used to have fun and be open and engaged in each other.

Yesterday, he said it is important that I lose “the weight”, as he wants us to have a “proper marriage” (sex) again. I’m really baffled. After such a long time I feel zero attraction towards him and have no intention of ever being intimate with him again!! In a weird way, I think I’ve stayed bigger just to be obtuse.

Whilst I’m very unhappy some of the time, there’s none of the usual issues you see here (like DV or affairs or financial stresses) to cause me to leave. Our lovely DC are happy and well balanced. H is fine, as I mostly don’t rock the boat. I’m 40 now. I’m happy with my DC, H isn’t around very much and on balance we have a nice life. I can make sure my 60’s are really great!

I’m sorry this is so long. I’ve never told anyone or even thought this through before.

OP posts:
OkaDokey · 08/05/2019 01:16

Just read all of that back and I appreciate it’s a brain dump of what I’m thinking and doesn’t need a reply. It helps to read more serious issues on here and realise that overall I think mine are fine. Thanks though if you have read this.

OP posts:
Floralhousecoat · 08/05/2019 01:28

You sound really unhappy op. Please don't stay together for the kids. Your happiness is important too. Your dc need you to be happy.

Also, if he now wants a sex life and you don't, you will surely have to tell him that your marriage is over?

You say you don't feel there are major issues in your marriage, but I think there are insurmountable issues. He constantly puts you down about your weight and is controlling wrt to what you eat.

I almost think he wants to resume a sex life with you because he can feel you withdrawing from him. When you wished to be intimate he pushed you away. He is very subtly controlling.

DPotter · 08/05/2019 01:34

Your comment about “hoping to do “ Grey Rock for the next 17 years is such a sad hope to have. No joy, no hope and no love for the next 17 years- bad enough for you but what a house to grow up in. There are always people worse off than you, always. That doesn’t mean you put up with a shit situation. There are other ways than Grey Rock to live a life

I strongly urge you to seek some psychological support - I get the feeling you’re already feeling very low and certainly your self confidence doesn't seem to be brimming over. Talk over other options with a therapist which don’t mean your life is grey for the next 17 years. Your personality will have leached away and there will be no one left to have fun in her 60s. Don’t give in please - ask for help to fight for yourself and consequently your children

dreichuplands · 08/05/2019 01:43

I second getting some good quality therapy for yourself. You can't spend the next 20 years like this. Use the time to work out what you do want and what you are prepared to lose to get it.
Life really is too short to waste.

MeltedEggMum · 08/05/2019 01:43

You are allowed to leave him without a big reason. But imo, you have plenty of big reasons.

He sounds abusive.

Seniorschoolmum · 08/05/2019 01:53

Staying together for the kids is just a bad idea. You’re a human, not a machine, and you can’t do grey rock for 17 years. That’s a prison sentence. You need a life and companionship and warmth.

It is no one’s business but yours if or why you decide to leave but your children need a happy cheerful mum in order to flourish. What other people think is completely irrelevant.
You could try counselling if there’s anything worth saving, but please give yourself a chance of a life x

YesimstillwatchingNetflix · 08/05/2019 02:26

That sounds really sad, OP.

You should absolutely seek counselling for yourself and then if you plan to stay in the marriage long, seek to do couples counselling with him. He needs to learn some communication skills because the way he is speaking to you now is frankly abusive.

Google emotional abuse. See if you recognise his behaviour there.

Get legal advice about your rights to the asset pool in the case of a split. Make sure you know what/where all the income and assets are. If he's manipulative and mean he might try to hide money from you if you split.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 08/05/2019 03:04

It doesn’t sound great and he sounds a bit of a baby tbh...

Do you think there is any point trying counselling?
Either for yourself only or as a couple?

17 years like this isn’t really sustainable....

Nat6999 · 08/05/2019 03:30

Putting yourself forward to having 17 more years of unhappiness isn't going to do any of you any good. The longer it goes on, the more you are going to resent your husband, your kids will pick up on the signals sooner or later, there must be an atmosphere when you are together. Either seek counselling or help to repair your marriage or end it before it destroys you both & makes your children's only memories of their childhood unhappy ones.

ChristmasFluff · 08/05/2019 07:28

this is so sad, and your reasons aren't trivial. It feels to me like your soul is crying out to you that this plan of Grey Rock for 20 years is a waste of your time on earth.

What if this is your only life (which is very well could be)? No reincarnation, no life after death - just this one wonderful fleeting and precious opportunity? Do you really want to spend your time like this?

madamedeluxe · 08/05/2019 07:37

That’s a really bad plan. How can you plan to stay until your dc are in university when you have a 1 year old? That’s madness. You need a rethink.

caringdenise009 · 08/05/2019 07:45

My parents made me endure their shit marriage until I, the youngest , was 17 and just about to go to university. I think they were selfish cowardly morons for not having the courage to face up to their problems and do the right thing for their children. That's quite a common reaction from children whose parents "stayed for the children". Stop using your children as a shield from reality.

Harsh but true.

Connieston · 08/05/2019 07:49

I agree couples counseling may help here. You may just need to reconnect. But if you really are unhappy you can separate and still be great co-parents. Separation doesn't have to be acrimonious.

category12 · 08/05/2019 07:56

You mustn't do this to yourself.

You're not modelling a good relationship for your dc - would you want them to grow up to endure relationships? They'll pick up on the dynamic and your underlying unhappiness.

category12 · 08/05/2019 07:58

Also, your dh's plans evidently don't include a sexless marriage for the next 20 years. What if he jumps ship? It would be better to be in the driving seat of any split than to find it happening to you.

DontCallMeDaisy · 08/05/2019 08:01

They really don't sound trivial reasons.

Interesting that his horribleness has put you off intimacy, but to him, the reason you're not intimate is your weight. What a self obsessed arse.

Make plans to leave while your kids are still young. It will get harder as they get older.

8FencingWire · 08/05/2019 08:03

OP, your happiness does not depend on him, it depends on you. Why are you waiting for him to fix things?
You know, we’re being sold this disney romantic bullshit as to what a relationship should look like, when it’s actually down to a simple thing: respect. Respect towards yourself/each other.
You seem dependent on him and his moods, his opinions.
I get that having 3 small children grinds you down and turns your brain into mush. Top that with your H’s behaviour and it’s a recipe for disaster.

You’re focusing outwards too much. Focus inwards.
Make a list with things you’d like to do/work on yourself. Be a bit ‘selfish’, find yourself again. Stop waiting for him to fix things.

rupple · 08/05/2019 08:08

You cannot do Grey Rock for 17 years without turning into a Grey Rock.

Don't do this to yourself OP, don't do this to your children.

CodenameVillanelle · 08/05/2019 08:11

Do you honestly think that your children will thank you when they realise you stayed miserable and oppressed for 20 years so that they could live in the same house as their moody, critical father?
For goodness sake, you only have one life. You're in a great financial position and could easily start a new life apart from him. What's holding you there?

Mummaofmytribe · 08/05/2019 08:15

grey rock for 17 years
This actually made a tear come into my eye. That's a really, really sad thing to say. Surely you don't deserve to write off 17 years of your life

rumred · 08/05/2019 08:24

He's horrible to you and offensive about your body. That's not trivial, it's soul destroying. Get planning and get out. Life is way too short to stay with a horrible partner

GummyGoddess · 08/05/2019 08:34

I'm pretty sure constructive desertion for imposing a sexless marriage is a reason to get divorce. The withdrawal of love is not a silly tiny reason. It's a huge flashing sign.

Start quietly looking into it. You don't have to divorce, just get information for now and then you can make an informed decision.

Shoxfordian · 08/05/2019 08:38

Make sure your sixties are great?! This is no way to live. You're wasting your life being married to such a miserable man. Live now, not in 17 years!

TheNavigator · 08/05/2019 08:39

OP, you cannot effectively give up on happiness on your 40s and 50s in order to be wealthy and content in your 60s. Think about it - you have no idea what your 60s will be like, but you are healthy and well now, but just drifting through your life on the promise of a better long term future that may never come.

This is your life, what is happening now. You are not happy and see no way to be happy in the current set up. So I think you must know deep down you need to make changes, which is hard. Could you go to Relate together as it sounds like there are years of buried resentments that need to be unpacked before you can both decide whether you have a future together or apart?

Could you get a job and your DH reduce his hours? Building a life and career outside the home can bring intense personal satisfaction that sound so missing from your life.

foreverhanging · 08/05/2019 08:47

Op I think you know deep down this isn't sustainable. As a pp said, it's a prison sentence. And it's not a good example for your kids.

It's never a good idea to stay for the kids. I was one of those kids, and it was awful.