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Hes definitely a narc :( now what

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Jfizz · 29/04/2019 14:43

So I posted a few days ago asking for advice about my boyfriend behaving with zero empathy towards his daughter when her dog died.

Fast forward a couple of days and my son got called for surgery for Saturday morning - me and him hadn’t spoken to each other since Wednesday and giving each other the silent treatment it seemed. I messaged him on Friday evening saying “son has surgery in the morning. Presumably you’re still huffing or whatever but just thought you’d like to know” - he replied very nicely and supportive asking could he come too and not what I expected.

Maybe the days and days of reading about narcissism were wrong after all. I had a little hope.

Saturday he sits in the hospital and I’ve just seen my little son put to sleep on a theatre bed and as soon as I come out he’s trying to get me into the bathroom for sex?? Like what the fuck!
He was so grabby with me and it didn’t feel like normal he was clearly still angry because I had called him a shit dad. It didn’t feel loving.

He was due to go watch the match that night and I was very anxious about this. Nights out for him in the past have resulted in: disappearing, strip clubs, bringing girls home if we have had an argument, lying about where he is, taking drugs, going totally MIA. I told him how I was feeling that it was a conditioned response from his previous behaviour and he asked me what he could do to reassure me when he goes. I said “don’t do those things?” He left me and my son in hospital to go for his night out at 2pm (which is pretty cunty in the first place)

He kept in touch but my anxiety grew. I knew he was getting drunk because his messages became more “soppy”- I’m so lucky to have you babygirl etc. Last message was at 11.30pm and then bang. Gone. Got a message at 6.30am saying “went a bit overboard and trying to get to sleep, can you come to my house and cuddle me when you get up”

I called him and asked had he taken drugs - he started lying and I said - I know you have and he admitted it but played it down. I told him I didn’t want my life to be sitting worried sick that my 40 year old boyfriend is out partying with people half his age and doing god knows what. He was at house parties with the little slutty girls in our city who are well known. I got up and went to his house and he was distant but wanted me just to hop into bed with him. I started crying and asked why he does these things and he said “I needed a blow out” - I said he was wearing me down and making me feel like nothing. I left and didn’t talk to him the rest of the day. He was on snapchat with girls I think before I got there as I took his phone off him and hid in the bathroom. He was pacing outside trying to get in the door and it could have easily become violent. I felt like my rib cage was going to burst and I was crying so hard. I asked why he’d deleted the chats and he said “just”.

He messaged this morning saying that his actions were because of my blaming him on Tuesday about the daughter/dog thing. Basically deflecting. Everything I’ve read and his behaviour has solidified with me he’s a narc. Now what??

I have left him several times before but he chases me back and the hard thing about this is that I actually really love him. Does he love me? Is he capable?

This has just turned my world upside down and I wonder if I’ll ever trust him or feel safe and content 😿 I feel like I’ve been living a lie for 3 years and don’t know what’s real and what’s not.

I’m quite secluded and don’t get out much. I don’t have a lot of money and I don’t like clubbing. People scare me. If I leave him I’ll just be alone 🙁 and heartbroken. Do I just shut up and put up??

How can I make him see his behaviour really hurts me ?

Is there something wrong with me? Please help :(

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jeaux90 · 29/04/2019 18:55

Let me give you some advice from someone who was with a narcissist and had a kid with one.

You say he is loving towards you and you love those times.

This is not who he is. He does this to keep you close.

The shit abusive person is who he really is and I can guarantee you he has been shagging other women.

Mine also went to therapy, and outwardly to everyone his performance parenting was flawless.

I had 5 minutes with his therapist once, I wanted to know how I could help him. I also wanted to abuse to stop and had given him an ultimatum.

She told me to take my daughter and run, don't look back. I did.

6,000 miles I went and there is not 1 minute of any day I regret it.

They are hollow shells of beings. There is nothing there but self hate and darkness.

OldAndWornOut · 29/04/2019 19:11

I know its fucked. Been there myself, although to a much, much lesser degree. Flowers

AsleepAllDay · 29/04/2019 19:15

Love, what is there to 'try longer' ? What can you say or do or be to make an adult man who doesn't respect or love you change his ways?

You don't 'make' him behave badly or do anything. You don't force him to the strip club, to take drugs, to storm out, to try and have sex at bad moments and badger you to sleep with him and drop everything for his needs

He CHOOSES to do these things

What you are responsible for and what you choose is to continue the relationship. You choose to neglect yourself and your son's welfare by staying in this man's life.

You can choose differently. That is your power. You can leave him an recognise that just as you have been single before, you can do it again

That you need a reset to take stock of your life and your baby's and start fresh.

He is your abuser. He is happy with the way things are. The longer you stay, the worse it will feel.

He will not change. He has no reason to. He has his girlfriend driving herself crazy but putting up with being treated like shit, he can walk out and sleep with another woman or go on a bender whenever he feels like it. He knows you'll be waiting, that he has broken down your self esteem and self respect that you will take it and call it love

He has no shame. He will NEVER be the man you want him to be. Not even if pigs could fly. Is this the example of manhood and treating women that you want your son to learn? Because children are sponges, they will copy it all. He will see how he treats mummy and before long he'll be disrespecting you too. It's all he knows

leomama81 · 29/04/2019 19:50

@Jfizz no need to apologize at all, I didn't mean that :) just wanted to explain why it might seem harsh.

I hope you come to see that there is nothing you can do or say that will change him. This is who he is. Honestly I get it, I tried for so goddamn long. The abuse turned physical in the end, and I still tried. As people have been saying there is no fixing a narcissist. You sound like you have a lot going for you - narcissists quite enjoy breaking those who do - just run and I promise as hard as it is your life will be so much better.

leomama81 · 29/04/2019 19:52

And as Asleepallday says, there is nothing to try longer. Look back, you've been trying all this time, have things improved at all, or have they just got worse and worse and you've lost yourself more and more?

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 29/04/2019 20:17

I would say I would get anxious about his behaviour about once a day or every other day.

Sad Oh, that is awful. I was thinking from what you were saying that it was maybe once in four months!

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 29/04/2019 20:17

bolding fail

bobstersmum · 29/04/2019 20:20

Sorry I lost interest at strip clubs and drugs.

Jfizz · 29/04/2019 20:38

ITeaForTheWin* I think I trip myself up frequently in life by trying to see the good in people 😣 I’m really not a weak person

jeaux90 well done for your strength. I’m stuck in a bit of a shit one as have no money or family to help and my business is failing 🤮 I’m glad you got safe. X

asleepallday I’ve taken a lot of strength from this thread and realise how abnormal his behaviour is. I’ve messaged him today and he said he sometimes gets confused with what “comfortable” is. I told him he should be ashamed of himself and that I was disgusted with him and now he’s crawling after me and calling me. It’s literally like games. Your message has been especially useful for me as I hadn’t thought of it this way. Thank you.

Leomama - thank you. Xx

Charlotte - I’ve literally turned into a nervous wreck. I have a fitness class and I feel so shit about myself that the thought of getting up in front of fifty people makes me feel like I’m suffocating and yet a couple of years ago I was walking on water. I have the shits constantly 😫 (tmi)

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potatopeelings · 29/04/2019 20:45

The thing with abusers, you see, is that you can't change their abusive behaviour.

Because they enjoy it.

You can't make them realise how much they hurt and upset you.

Because they already know, and they get a kick out of doing it to you.

What kind of despicable low-life tries to make a woman have sex with him in a hospital bathroom while her child is on the operating table? This is utterly horrifying. Please listen to all the good advice you have been given on here. Get rid of him. And the next time you find yourself missing him, think about that moment in the hospital, when you needed kindness, comfort and support, and all he did was grope you.

Flowers
AsleepAllDay · 29/04/2019 20:51

It's not him mistaking what's 'comfortable.' That would be a partner who 'forgot' their wallet or didn't text you back for a day or two, or said something thoughtless

He's WAY beyond that with his behaviour.

Listen to yourself: he is disgusting and disrespectful and bad for you. What do you want from a man like that? Don't you know that you can get hot sex anywhere? Don't you realise that there are so many men besides this PRINCE CHARMING out there - who won't cheat? Who won't treat you like shit on their shoe until you give a hint that you might just leave

Believe in yourself and your ability to have better in your life

Jfizz · 29/04/2019 21:10

AsleepAllDay - that’s really good advice thank you x

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CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 29/04/2019 22:04

It is all games, as you say. It's all rather tedious. Like the lame justifications... "comfortable" Hmm That's why I said three weeks no contact helps (and then the rest of your life). Gets his warped mindset out of your brain a little. (It really takes longer than three weeks, but it's a good first target!)

TeaForTheWin · 30/04/2019 12:07

I trip myself up frequently in life by trying to see the good in people 😣 I’m really not a weak person

It's not about being weak. People forgive narcissists time and time again, trying to see the good in them - but not usually people who KNOW about narcissistic personality disorder. If you truly believe this person is a narcissist it is...nuts, to want to be anywhere near him! I mean once you know, everything really should be clicking into place and you should be out the door running! Ok, maybe it takes a few weeks to sink in to be fair, to truly understand the nature of the beast you are dealing with.

I know they do a right number on our brains but once you know...Well, no more excuses! Get yourself and your child out of there asap!

Shoobopbop · 30/04/2019 12:53

You don’t want your son growing up thinking it’s ok to treat women like that. You deserve better and so does your little boy. You’ll be amazed at how your confidence will soar once this utter douchebag is out your lives.

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