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Is my wife losing interest or playing away?

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ScotsGuyNorthSea · 28/04/2019 09:59

Crikey - where to begin?

So - my missus and I have been together 20 years. We're early 40's) We have two lovely well adjusted, happy kids in their early teens, who are no bother at all and they're doing really well. I think we're good parents. As a family unit, we're solid and happy. We're all fit and well people.

I work away, on a vessel in the North Sea, I work 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. We're all very used to it, and it seems to suit us. It means that every month, I have 14 days off with my family. So, although being away isn't 'easy' overall we get a lot of time together, as compared to somebody who works 9-5 say.

When I'm home I absolutely share the housework, in fact, I probably do about 60-70% of it when home. I'm up for the school runs, do the shopping and cook most nights and do the bulk of the washing when home too. In fact - I can't remember the last time she cooked me a nice meal?

I earn good money, and my money all goes into the joint account and covers 95% of the bills. I take some money out for me, for a bit of pocket money, but not much. Because of my work, she works as and when really - for an agency, but certainly isn't a slave to a job or anything like that.

Her money pays for her nice car, and family holidays. I don't really know what she earns exactly, as her money all goes into her account, which doesn't really bother me. She works about 5 days a month on average. Maybe 2 or 3 of those days will be when I'm home. She loves her job, and I like to think that in some respects, she has it all. She is a Mum to two great kids, and yet is a qualified professional too, and earns well, and can, on the whole, with a bit of effort, afford anything she wants really. She's got a husband who adores her.

She's got some good mates, and if she wants a night out, (once a month or so) its no bother - she goes - and I never mind - we all need a night out.

On paper, everything is fine. We're a model middle class successful family - she is the epitomy of a successful professional woman, I 'd say. She could go back to work full time if she wanted, I suppose, but is quite happy meeting the girls for a coffee or walking the dog during the days too.

Me - well, I come home for two weeks, will go out with my pals every other month maybe, sometimes less, but its a frequency I'm happy with. I'm certainly not out all the time and don't sit in front of the telly watching footy for hours on end or behave like a slob in the house. She's definitely under no pressure from me to do anything other than what makes her happy.

She just doesn't seem happy. It's hard to describe - she's not 'high maintenance' or anything - I just sort of feel like I'm in the Friend Zone more and more - almost like a house mate or something? I don't think she'd identify as being unhappy - she just hasn't got much zing anymore - certainly, not towards me.

When I'm at work, contact can be challenging, but I just get the same routine calls from home, saying the same routine stuff, nobody really says much of anything - half the time it feels like they're talking to me cause they have too - but often the tellys on and its all a bit half arsed.

Our sex life was always pretty good - sometimes a bit vanilla, I guess, (I have a slightly kinky side I suppose!, nothing nasty like, just a bit cheeky slap n tickle!)

But she always - always - cums - her pleasure is what gets me off. Generally I'll try and make her orgasm before I look for my own pleasure, and she can orgasm several times. Well - used too - she still always cums, but I think she prefers a nice lie down and her vibrator. In the past she'd maybe dress sexily for me, or play a few games, but all that's dwindling away. I knew it wasn't necessarily her 'thing', she didn't mind, but could take it or leave it.

I appreciated that.

But these last 2 years or so - I literally cannot remember the last time she came onto me. She never flirts any more at all.

Our sex life isn't dead. We'll still play together, but 3 or 4 times a week, has become once or twice a week, and the weeks where its once or not at all a week, are increasing. Usually its just mutual playing with ourselves - its kinda lazy. And the kids are at school, so its not like this is 11pm after a long day in the office. Last holiday we went on, we played a bit, but no actual sex.

But for any action at all - anything - I feel like a dog begging for its tea.

If I never asked her for anything sexual again - I wonder if she'd be bothered in the slightest. But GOD Help Me if she ever caught me masturbating. She wasn't in the mood once, so I er... carried on alone - she came in and went crackers, you'd think there was another woman there the way she erupted.

I'm not the best looking guy - I certainly never get chatted up by women, lol. I'm chubby - but I was when we met - and she fancied me then alright...

My wife is trim and beautiful and I fancy her a lot - and I fantasize about her a lot. I'll ocasionally talk dirty to her on the occasions when we do play together - lying side by side - and she'll be like 'ooh is that what you're going to do to me next time'? No. No it isn't - because next time, you'll not be in the mood, or nipping to the shops will be more urgent, or you'll only agree to allow me a quick play.

I've never played away, and have no desire too. I love my missus, but I'm starting to feel like her mate, or he PA or something.

Is it wrong that I miss her coming on to me so much? I feel in mourning for a dwindling sex life. I feel like a dirty pervert if I ever dare talk to her about her dressing up or being naughty in the bedroom.

But worse, I;m starting to wonder if she's taking her pleasure elsewhere.

It's the little things. I can phone home, and she's not in when I might expect she is. She's working out more. She gets her hair done - always when I'm away. - She goes to work in nice make-up, but never wears any when I'm around. When I'm at work, and we speak , I'll ask what her days been like - 'housework' is the reply. (our kids are tidy, how much housework is there in a week when you're in on your own all day?). In the past when I got home from work, she'd be freshly showered, legs shaved - you know the score ladies (!) now she's sat watching telly in a big dressing gown and slippers, and often the house is a tip. I used to get a smooch - now I get a 'hiya love' and the telly doesn't even get paused. If I pressed the matter, I might get a cuddle and some romantic action - but again- I'd feel like a dog asking for his dinner, its all very task orientated and perfunctory - however gently I try to seduce her. Mutual Hand job - lights out - and thats your lot mate. (As happened on holiday last summer for two weeks. One fumble. I was gutted.)

Deep down I don't think she's having an affair - its almost like she, consciously or otherwise, might be open to one if it came along - because she's just not that into me. But increasingly kind of mardy with me too. I daren't say anything - handles will be flown off.

I sometimes wonder if she;ll bugger off when the kids are old enough?

I think - I hope - I'm a decent husband - but I'm f*cked if I want to spend the next 40 years living with someone who just doesn't fancy me at all - or apparently seem to want me as anything other than a flatmate.

I know womens libido dips - and I don't expect to be hanging off chandeliers every night till I'm 90.

But I miss feeling like her fella. I miss feeling close.

Maybe I'm missing something ?

OP posts:
palahvah · 28/04/2019 10:03

Have you said anything to her about this? That you love her and fancy her and miss your sex life?

ScotsGuyNorthSea · 28/04/2019 10:08

I've tried to talk to her - she just gets annoyed... :(

OP posts:
madroid · 28/04/2019 10:08

You need to tell her all this. You could even show her your post.

It must be hard to stay feeling connected when you are away so much. What do you do when you come home? Do you ever arrange a date? Or say how much you've missed her? Or arrange something good for her?

it might be that you both just need to reconnect as a couple. Or it might be something more. The only way you'll find out is to talk to her.

SignedUpJust4This · 28/04/2019 10:08

Do you bring her home flowers? Send her something while you are away? Do you take her out and get dressed up yourself? I have to admit I would hate her life. You make it sound good that she has a lot of money but in reality she is alone for 2 weeks, taking care of all that mundane bullshit and trying to make it sound interesting on the phone to you. Then for 2 weeks you come home and expect her to be standing there in a fur coat and lingerie waiting for you like a show pony. The only way I could cope with this lifestyle is to find a way to comfortably live without you around and carry on like that when you were home. Not chopping and changing all the time from domestic drudgery to sex bomb.

opinionminion · 28/04/2019 10:09

She could be depressed. Not bothering with herself and the house - changes in her normal behaviour towards these things.
Perhaps she is resentful of your work / life balance. Perhaps she feels trapped.
Just wondering.

Kiwiinkits · 28/04/2019 10:25

Google perimenopause

ScotsGuyNorthSea · 28/04/2019 10:26

Wow - some good insight- which is what I was looking for. Thank you :)

I assume she's happy overall with her lifestyle - she's never hinted its mundane, but I guess it could be? She says she likes not having to work unless she chooses.

I find it hard to see it as domestic drudgery, its a small house, easy to look after, kids are out all day, she meets her girlfriends, works out, has nights out, goes to work pretty much when she wants too and enjoys her work. Evenings and weekends her and the kids do loads of fun stuff.

So, she't not doing 40 hours a week in a factory, or spending all day in some sort of domestic service. She basically does as she pleases to a degree.

(OMG just read that back, it sounds really disrespectful, it isn't meant to be).

I am conscious that she needs a break, so yep - we do do stuff together, nights out, and I try to smarten myself up bit ;) occasionally we go away, etc. And its why I feel I should pick up the hoover, do the washing and cook the tea when home.

But yes - maybe expecting hr to go from Mum to Sex Bomb is a bit much?

She used to look forward to me coming home....

I wonder if I changed job and came home every night would it be better? Or would it be boring and mundane for her - in a different way?

I do send flowers from time to time, but she said not to do it too often - or it lessens the impact if its just a routine! Lol

Maybe I just can't win.

Definitely appreciate a womans view - already people are saying things that I'm not sure are hitting the nail on the head - but you're definitely getting me thinking. And thats appreciated.

OP posts:
SignedUpJust4This · 28/04/2019 10:29

I have 2 small kids and a 3 bed house. I am currently home on mat leave. I am lucky that I have a lot of help. The older child is t school.

ScotsGuyNorthSea · 28/04/2019 10:30

I should add - I've made this sound a lot like its just about sex, It's not.

Sometimes fellas just want a hug too. Or a peck on the cheek...

Its all dwindling.... That can't be cause I didn't send flowers can it? :(

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SignedUpJust4This · 28/04/2019 10:33

Sorry posted too soon...

Basically I get the housework done in 2 hrs and have the rest of the day to myself. It is still drudgery. It is boring. It is the exact same shit every day. Picking up and cleaning the exact same pants. Cooking the same food. I make myself go to various groups or see friends just so I don't go insane but i cannot wait to go back to work for some mental stimulation. My point is just because her life is relatively easy don't think it can't be extremely boring and tedious.

WaterOffaDucksCrack · 28/04/2019 10:37

In the past when I got home from work, she'd be freshly showered, legs shaved - you know the score ladies Reading that made me feel a bit sick tbh! And how you talk about her not doing her makeup for you etc. I had a boyfriend like that once, expected certain makeup/clothes/high heels/whatever. One day I almost woke up to it and from that moment he made my skin crawl. Maybe your wife feels like that?

But at the end of the day no one knows how your wife feels except her so you best ask her!

SignedUpJust4This · 28/04/2019 10:37

Let her know you appreciate all she does when you are away. Cuddle and touch her with no expectation for sex. There's nothing worse than feeling like you 'should' have sex with your husband because he hoovered. Take sex off the table for a bit completely but keep affection and physical touching up to 100% so she doesn't feel like she owes you anything. She'll come round.

Notjudesmum · 28/04/2019 10:39

I don’t have any advice really but I just wanted to say....I think you sound like a lovely, caring husband. Sometimes I think a bit of spontaneity helps. A change from the routine, something to remind her that she’s your wife and not only a mum. Whatever you do, I hope it works as you sound like a great partnership

SignedUpJust4This · 28/04/2019 10:40

Agree with Water. That bit about expecting her to be done up for your arrival really leaves a bad taste OP. She's not a blow up doll you can pull out the cupboard every fortnight.

stucknoue · 28/04/2019 10:44

Once a week in your 40's doesn't sound bad to me, read other threads it's really common for life to get in the way, and perimenopause means women do loose interest sometimes (I consider 5 hours sleep now a lot so I'm knackered, and the hot flushes...)

Senseiwu · 28/04/2019 10:47

I think it's just the reality of a long term relationship. 20 years you've been together! Congrats on building what sounds like a stable and well functioning life and raising happy kids. She sounds like she's eased into the comfortable part of her life - perimenopause might be affecting her libido and she just wants to lay around in her dressing gown with her partner when he's home. I see absolutely nothing wrong in what you've written.

I also think a different job that meant you were home every night would mean boring in a different way. People get comfortable very quick when together all the time. I'm 99% sure this wouldn't improve your sex life.

I think the only thing you can do is say to her exactly what you've said in this post but I really wouldn't expect much change. If you're still having "mutual playtime" even once a week I can assure you that this is good by married-20-years standards. I wonder if you need to adjust your expectations going forward. Perhaps focus on how you'd like a cuddle and a chat with her more than on the sex bit, which is bound to make her feel criticised or unappreciated.

Feckers2018 · 28/04/2019 10:52

You seem to have a traditional mindset and preconceived ideas about what fellas and missis roles are. That would put me off straight away.

ThreeRandomWords · 28/04/2019 11:08

I am in a very bad place with my marriage right now - it's basically over - so I might not be best placed to advise. But one thing that has struck me recently is my dh telling me " why did you never tell me what was wrong? Why didn't you say you were unhappy?". Because the thing is, I did tell him, multiple times, but he wasn't listening.

So my advice to you would be to try to talk to your wife and more importantly, really listen to her. Is she happy with being alone for two weeks out of every four? Would she like to work more? Does she feel loved, or does she feel like someone who is obliged to have sex every once in a while?

You sound like a decent bloke to me. I hope things can improve for both of you.

Whatsforu · 28/04/2019 11:16

It sounds like you are doing all you can. I think you need to sit down and have a frank discussion and lay all the cards on the table. Your wife is coming into that tricky age which can play havoc with sex drive etc. You sound like you adore her but you are going to resolve this without laying or all out.

ScotsGuyNorthSea · 28/04/2019 11:22

Thanks - again - good tips - following the replies with interest, and taking some of the advice seriously.

As I say though - its not just about sex - I can't even get a cuddle these days - and I'm not talking about trying to get up close as a way of nagging for sex. She'll literally bugger off to the other sofa,

And to the lady who said I made her feel sick - wow - lol - I didn't mean I wanted her in a fur coat and no knickers at the door when I got in.

And I'm not talking about getting her dressed as a tart every other day - I just want to be close with my wife.

I just want to feel loved and not like a housemate.

Time for another chat I think....

OP posts:
Lillygolightly · 28/04/2019 11:35

Sounds like you’ve worked offshore for a long time, and I assume in early years you both couldn’t do to be parted and absence made the heart grow fonder and all of that.

Then the kids came along and your working away became less about just missing you but more about logistics surrounding the kids and coping without you. More years have passed, the kids are older and more self sufficient and she has gotten entirely used to your absence.

My first thoughts are not that she is having an affair at all. I think she’s got herself a routine of having learned to be alone and so have the kids (every time you come you disrupt this, not your fault I know, it’s just the circumstances) and when you come home everyone is adjusting to you being back and your trying to just slot back in picking up where you left off.

To be blunt I imagine when the kids were small they were excited for you to be back and to see daddy, but now they are teens and growing their own social lives and independence and you coming back is likely to be met with a shrug of the shoulders and a passing comment of Dads home. That’s teens for you and coupled with similar from your wife I’m sure it’s all rather hurtful to you.

Your kids have become teens and more independent, your away offshore so I’m sure this has created somewhat of a hole in your wife’s life also. Your wife has chosen to fill that with working out, seeing friends an maybe when she feels like it taking an interest in her appearance for her, not you or anyone else. As a woman is lovely to sometimes just dress up just for yourself with no expectations from anybody, and if your feeling low it can help perk you up.

As for the sexual side of things it sounds like it has stagnated into the perfunctory act you describe. This happens to lots people in long term relationships/marriages, things are never going to be as exciting 15-20 years down the line, it’s life.

You can’t push sex on somebody who doesn’t want it. You are at least still having an intimate relationship albeit not the one that you would like and I think you have to accept that may be out of reach for a while. Also asking you wife to dress up or even hinting at it at this juncture in your relationship is only ever going to be met with an internal eye roll and dissuade her from sex even more.

So what do you do? Well I would start with taking the pressure and expectation for sex of intimate activities right off the table. Instead I would focus on reconnecting with your wife on a non sexual level. Try and find something you can do as a couple that you both could enjoy and bond over. This could be as simple as doing the weekly pub quiz when your home, or taking up an activity together. Hopefully she will let you into the life she’s built when your not home, it might take a few attempts to find the right way to reconnect and doing that isn’t always easy with kids in the mix, but you can try.

I know it all sounds like a bunch of airy fairy twaddle but your choices are simply these:

  1. Stay put and carry on how you are
  2. Try to reconnect and improve things
  3. Leave

Maybe no 2 doesn’t work and you end up leaving anyway but at least you tried.

Hope that helps.

SignedUpJust4This · 28/04/2019 11:41

Lilly said what I was trying to say in a much much better way. I think she's hit the nail on the head there. This is how I would feel in your wife's situation.

Overmaars · 28/04/2019 12:05

I agree with Lily too. It may be that the relationship has gone a bit stale in terms of feeling connected. I think relationships need activities and time together that isn't just family related to keep fresh.

Common interests that are just you two and not the kids. Maybe walking together, going to the theatre, weekends away, a sport, a hobby, comedy nights. Anything that is a shared activity you both enjoy. It allows you to build up shared memories and things to talk about which glues you together.

You don't talk about joint friends. Do you have any couple friends you could spend fun nights together with?

It sounds like the intimacy has gone out of the relationship but it's possible to get it back, provided both of you is prepared to work on it.

Also read about the five love languages. It may be that your wife feels more valued by a different way of expressing love than you do.

Good luck OP.

Howlingatthesun · 28/04/2019 12:06

You do have to talk. A friend of mine is a saturation diver and similar set up to you at home but slightly younger kids

As much as they seem to love each other his wife is at home, alone,30 evenings in a row and there is no question she gets lonely as she has to be there for the kids.

He is going to stop next year as he has seen too many relationships fail because of the month on/off working pattern.

WaterOffaDucksCrack · 28/04/2019 12:25

I didn't say you made me feel sick, just what you said. The way your attitude towards women seems to be from your post. The fact that you made a point about doing household tasks adds to that. I don't understand why some men list the housework they do like it's something special, when the reality is it's a very basic part of life.

May I ask why you feel your wife should put makeup on for you? Is she not attractive enough without it? How would you feel if she wanted you to cover your face? Surely she should only wear it if she wants to.

I know you keep saying it isn't just about sex but that seems to be your main focus. You seem as though you both have different sexual preferences to some degree. Maybe she's just decided not to have sex she doesn't want any more.

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