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He refuses to use the family calender

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MrsStiltskin · 10/04/2019 20:12

Most of the organisation at home is left to me. Fine. I just ask DH to include his commitments on the family calender as we're both busy people and want to avoid clashes. Also, I try to preserve 2 evenings a week for us as a couple and this only happens if I'm organised about it. DH is much busier socially and professionally than me.

I forget things he tells me verbally as I'm very busy with family life and children etc so as a way to minimise my forgetfulness, we use a family app.

DH however still isn't adding his commitments to the calender. We have had atleast 6 arguments about this I would say. Not sure if this is forgetfulness, awkwardness or stubborness. He also is not preserving time for us as a couple which upsets and disappoints me and makes me wonder if this is why he isn't using the app, because it's clear to see that he isn't honouring any "Us time."

Our relationship is very much in trouble so it's important we get time to connect properly. We were going to have some Us time on Monday evening but the children were poorly which meant this did not happen. So another evening has not been prioritised to replace it. I have also been sleeping on the floor in one of the children's rooms so we aren't even sharing a bed at night. He was out on Saturday evening, Tuesday evening and also tonight, so I am home with the children who are still unwell and my own company.

The last time we fell out about him not using the calender, he promised me he would start as he actually really likes it. He hasn't. It's as if he sees it as an app for me to inform him my plans for me and the children and doesn't realise he has to inform me his plans too.
He announced at 5pm today that he is out tonight again, he says he has told me, but I haven't remembered so it's all my fault even though its not on the fucking calender AGAIN. I was really hoping to spend some time with him tonight having had an emotional and worrying couple of days with the children, along with terrible sleep. I've also not been well myself.

He knows I'm upset but he has gone anyway. Some may not care about having an organised system like ours at home which is fine- I don't judge, but it works well for our lifetsyle and this is agreed by DH entirely. He loves the app. But he refuses to add to it, leading to last minute outings (or atleast they are to me) and not much time for us at all.

I've been really angry and frustrated in the past, but today I just feel upset and let down. Fed up of being taken for granted as being available to be here with the children whilst he pleases himself. I feel like I've had enough and to be frank, it's killing my love for him. I have told him this and the only response I've had is "you're ridiculous." He has since added his commitment to the calender under "selfish twat out tonight."

I know it sounds silly over a bloody calender but I feel depleted by it all. I am tryjng to hold the family together and keep everything organised etc and I feel I'm all alone in doing so. I am getting to a point where I want to leave him over this.
I'm exhausted by his lack of communication, lack of connection and lack of team spirit.

What do I do next?

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BlueEyedPersephone · 11/04/2019 06:06

He likes it cause it means he has full information and is therefore in control, he won't use it cause than then gives you equal information and control. Either he ops in and uses it or he ops out and you live a single life

whiteroseredrose · 11/04/2019 06:19

Like a PP we had a system that if it wasn't on the calendar it didn't happen. And things had to be cancelled at the last minute as a result. A very good learning point.

But I don't think it's about the calendar. He went out even though you were upset about it. He's left you to manage a sick child alone and really doesn't sound supportive.

You could play games and go out and leave him home with the DC (with them fed but nothing in for him - you told him. He needed to shop in his lunchtime). Or you can take a step back and think about what you're getting out of this relationship. Are you in a position to go it alone if you had to? Could you make changes now, just in case?

BookCzar · 11/04/2019 06:36

If you want things to change,I'd give up on the us time for now. Prioritise your social life a bit more, sign up for an evening exercise class or meet friends for a drink. Make sure you get them in the calendar nice and early so he can't say he hasn't seen them. At the minute you're the drudge and de facto primary childcare 24/7 so give him a taste of his own medicine and see how he likes it.

^
This. You definitely need to focus more on you and less on "us". He is horrible and completely undeserving of your attention.

category12 · 11/04/2019 06:39

He loves the app for you guys, but he's Far Too Important to use it himself.

He is a selfish twat. If he was a decent partner, he'd see your exhaustion and that you and the kids are sick, and stop home to look after you.

He doesn't give a tiny crap. And he's very confident you'll just put up with it.

mindutopia · 11/04/2019 07:13

If it isn’t on the calendar, it doesn’t happen. I would also book yourself in for evenings to do things you want 3-4 times a week. See how long it takes for that to get tiresome so he starts (a) putting in more time at home and (b) uses the calendar.

HexagonalBattenburg · 11/04/2019 07:18

DH in this house is crap at organisation... the deal is that I have a block of time once a week set aside where I update the family calendar (we use Google one) and put everything from school newsletters, random texts and emails for playdates, party invitations etc on it - so he emails me with any things he arranges during the week and I put them on at the same time. Yes it's me doing the mental load for that - but it gets it done and I just offload something I hate doing onto him in return.

KOKOtiltomorrow · 11/04/2019 07:22

My STBXH was exactly like this.....swore he had told me stuff when he hasn't. Agree with PPs - he loves it cos he gets to see what you are committing to without committing to anything himself therefore a form of control. Not nice.

KOKOtiltomorrow · 11/04/2019 07:23

Also. I bet he doesn't "forget " his nights out!

BeUpStanding · 11/04/2019 07:43

Well isn't he the lucky one? Basically he gets to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. Conveniently he knows all your plans and any wider family commitments, but gets to keep his arrangements private. The only price he pays, in his eyes, is you 'nagging' him - which he deflects with 'I forget' and 'I'm so busy & stressed'. Seeing as how he doesn't want to engage in family life or focus on your relationship of his own free will, unfortunately you'll have to make the price he pays for his 'forgetfulness' more steep. Show him there's a cost attached. Yes it's a real shame to have to think that way, but at the moment your unhappiness isn't enough motivation for him to change... He's got to feel a sting himself. And if that doesn't work, LTB.

Shoxfordian · 11/04/2019 08:30

He says he likes the app but he's not using it. He clearly doesn't like it that much or he likes it for seeing what your plans are not for his.
It doesn't seem like he's prioritising time together at all, probably a bad sign.

Holidayshopping · 11/04/2019 08:33

Does he ‘forget’ to do things at work or to go on his own nights out?

MumUndone · 11/04/2019 08:42

Well, as they say - when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

StiltonVanDeKamp · 11/04/2019 09:02

Could there be an element of him not putting his stuff on the calendar as it will show up just how much 'me time' he gets compared to you? Agree he is using this as a way to see what you're up to, rather than being invested in.

It sounds like you have bigger issues than this, sorry. He's not treating you as his equal or prioritising your relationship.

Lweji · 11/04/2019 09:08

I'd say that if it's not on the calendar then he doesn't go, or it doesn't happen.
And if he does go out, he should stay out.

LordWheresMyShoes · 11/04/2019 09:16

Am I the only one wondering if him not putting his commitments on the app is potentially a sign that he's hiding another woman from you? He seems to have an awful lot of evening and personal commitments. If he wrote Doreen that he's in the pub with Fred but is actually visiting Doreen, you could potentially find out he's not in the pub. If he tells you he's in the pub, you could be gas lit that that's not what he said at all, you must be remembering it wrong.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/04/2019 09:26

The calendar is really symptomatic of other serious problems within your relationship. He has no interest whatsoever in using this, your relationship as a whole and he is gaslighting you to boot. He feels entitled to act like this and does not behave like this at work. His own needs and social life are more important to him than family life and time spent with you.

MrsStiltskin · 11/04/2019 10:11

Tried to offer a compromise so that I could atleast get to sleep earlier and he refused. I contacted his parents and asked them if he could stay there overnight and explained. I have never ever contacted them like this before but I'm desperate now.

They said he could be DH refused to stay out and returned home when he wanted and slept on the sofa.

Both DCs up during the night with temperatures several times, DC2 also feeds. I did get him up at 3am for 1.5 hours but by then I'd cried so much I had a banging headache and couldn't sleep. This morning he has woken early and informed me he has to leave early (added to the calender late last night!!) He gave me 8 minutes to get ready "you have 8 minutes to get yourself ready!!" He was roaring.
I stood infront of the door and said he couldn't leave until I was ready but he physically moved me out of the way, I sat in the car and he snatched the keys off me.

I can't shower or get myself ready without him here easily at all as DCs very young and DC2 wont be put down at all when poorly.

I'm in an absolute state today. Can barely function. I am dreading him coming home from work.

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endofthelinefinally · 11/04/2019 10:16

You poor thing. He is a shocker isn't he.
Contact Womens Aid and they will point you in the direction of legal advice.
He is just making your life harder.
Flowers

ohfourfoxache · 11/04/2019 10:18

Can his parents come and help? Is there anyone you could ask?

He is an absolute SHIT. I would LTB over this x

MrsStiltskin · 11/04/2019 10:23

We also supposedly have a system whereby if it's not on the calender, it doesn't happen. Completely disregarded by DH who still went out regardless before adding it to the calender 2 hours beforehand.

You see how difficult he is making things?

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endofthelinefinally · 11/04/2019 10:26

Do you have any friends or family you could go to for a bit of support while DC are ill? Or anyone who could come and stay with you for a couple of days?
How do you get on with your in laws? Would they come and help?
If the DC just have a virus, it is fine to give them calpol today and maybe they will have a nap at some point.

dronesdroppingzopiclone · 11/04/2019 10:26

Why do you have to get ready for him to leave? WTAF?! Your husband is a cunt. Fuck the calendar and 'us time' because he doesn't give a shit! Why are you sleeping on the fucking floor? Why are you having to get ready? Why the fuck are you with this abusive twat?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/04/2019 10:27

He will make things difficult because he is by nature difficult.

What are you getting out of this relationship now?. What is in this still for you?.

Why are you focusing on the calendar of all things?. He does not give a fig about the calendar or any aspect of home life with you and your children. You and he need to be apart; he is selfish beyond compare so neither of use nor ornament.

endofthelinefinally · 11/04/2019 10:27

Yes, he is doing it deliberately.
This is called gaslighting and is abusive behaviour.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/04/2019 10:27

Sorry but another vote that the calendar is just the tip of the iceberg.

He IS a selfish twat.

He goes out 3 nights in a row, leaving you at home with HIS poorly children? Does he contribute to family life at all?

He does not value you. He does not prioritise you. I would be feeling upset too. And then I'd get fucking angry. Tell him to start acting like a partner and a father or fuck off.

He's fully capable of using the calendar. He's just avoiding it for one of two reasons. Either:

  1. He knows it upsets you and he's using this as a way of being the one 'in control.'

or:

  1. He knows full well that's he's a selfish twat. He just doesn't want to put it in black and white because he's hoping you haven't twigged yet or have it in proof just how much he's taking the piss.

Either way, I totally agree that your marriage is in serious trouble. I think you need to start thinking about whether or not you want to continue living like this. Put yourself first for a change. When was the last time you had a night out? When was the last time you even had 5 minutes to yourself?

No wonder you're 'forgetful' - you're carrying the entire family. It's not fair and it needs to stop.