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We had a HUGE row last night.

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Flossam · 10/09/2004 14:01

OK in two minds whether to post this or not but here goes...
Me and DP had a huge row last night when he got in from work. He is an obsessional Virgo (!) and likes to come home to a spotless house. The house wasn't particularly messy, at least in my book, just a card to post to my mum on the table and something he had asked me to get him. There were a few things on the sofa next to me, and the kitchen spray was still on the kitchen side rather than the windowsill. Anyway he comes home and starts going off on one about the state of the house, how I have had some days off and why haven't I done the cleaning? Started doing his usual 'What is this doing here? Why is that there? Does this need to be here?' all shouted at me.

To cut a long story short I rose to it and ended up going nuts at him, tried to go away to the bedroom to calm down, where he came in and started at me again, cue more shouting etc. It it the worst row we have had for a long time.

He has gone out today and now I won't see him at all for the weekend as I am working and he has friends down. I think this was partly why he wanted the house to be sorted, but these are his friends, his arrangements why should I tidy up every time? He never does any cleaning, any of the washing (then complains he never has anything to wear), or cooking and I have to do pretty much all of the maintenance type things around the house because he just wouldn't ever bother to do it. I don't want to be the little woman at home who is responsible for all the household chores, at least when I am working full time as well as him.

My plan was that we could sort out the house together today. I've been off work sick and have hardly been feeling up to doing much. I'm six and a half months pregnant and I have to say this whole pregnancy malarky has knocked me for six. I'm always knackered and still trying to work full time doing 12 and a half hour shifts (nights as well) in a very physical and mentally demanding job. I also worry about the baby, rows and stress can't be good for him in there, after all that last night he stopped moving for quite a while, I told DP (as I was worried) and he told me I had probably scared him to death with all my shouting . He hasn't bothered to find out if things are ok with him today (which they are)

I have a fair idea that this argument is to do with all the stress we are starting to feel (well I know I am anyway) about trying to move house next month and the iminent arrival of our baby. When life gets a bit tougher we always seem to take it out on the other which is a shame really. What I would really like to know is would you apologise? I know I acted unreasonably but this behaviour on his part is not acceptable to me and by apologising I am letting it pass IYSWIM? It is always normally me who apologises, just because he is incredibly stubborn and I don't like to live my life this way. But I can't help feeling that it is a shame that this is the only day off we could of had together all week and he's taken himself away somewhere rather than try to resolve things.

Oh well, I feel a bit better having had a good moan. Sorry!

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Flossam · 11/09/2004 21:42

I had a feeling he wouldn't. Really not sure he'll be back tonight. It's his Birthday celebration weekend, along with a friend who lives nearby. I haven't phoned him, and as I mentioned he is very stubborn and may not come round for some time. He will be waiting for me to apologise before he makes any sort of effort to see me etc. I really did go nuts at him mind. But it's going to keep happening if I let him think he was in the right to start it all.

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eidsvold · 12/09/2004 04:02

IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT - sorry but excusing his behaviour by saying you did go nuts at him is just not right - you were right to go nuts at him and if he is off sulking that is just ridiculous...... can't imagine why he thinks he is due an apology from you..... this is not helping you - you need to take it easy and just relax - easier said than done.... but remember - no 1 priority is that little babe and your well being.. not some adult tantrum from someone who ought to know better.... sorry but I am getting so on your behalf....

aloha · 12/09/2004 10:38

His behaviour is APPALLING! How dare he not come home! Is he planning to continue these kind of tantrums when he is a father? I am also deeply pessimistic about all his promises to be an involved parent when he can abandon his pregnant partner like this, as well as treat you so badly. I am truly, genuinely shocked.

MummyToSteven · 12/09/2004 10:48

sorry to stick my oar in but I have to say that I agree with Aloha. Treating your heavily pg partner like this, and then attempting to suggest it is you harming the baby by shouting is absolutely appalling, as is disappearing off like this. I hope this doesn't sound too blunt but from what you have said on this thread and previously he does sound like he behaves immaturely when under pressure- makes life tough for everyone when the going gets tough. I would also say please, please don't do extra shifts to help him pay off debts - mothering and working as a nurse will be tough enough as it is. do you have other friends/family around to support you? your partner does sound a little controlling so i am concerned that you need more external support, a reality check if you like, and need to get socialising with other mums to be to help with that.

MeanBean · 12/09/2004 10:49

I second what Aloha said. He is behaving absolutely dreadfully. I cannot understand how he can claim to have any respect for you whatsoever if he leaves you to worry about whether he has had an accident or is just sulking when you are six months pregnant. What planet is he living on? What place is this behaviour acceptable?

moomina · 12/09/2004 11:17

Flossam - has he come back yet? I totally support what has been said in the last few posts. His behaviour is contemptible.

When my ds was a just few days old, xh and I had a (very small) argument over something I found on the computer. He walked out of the house in the middle of the night and did not come back until the next morning - steaming drunk and aggressive. He told me when he returned that he was sick of everything being "all about the baby" and told me that he didn't know why everyone was making so much fuss of me as "all you've done is have a f*cking baby".

I'm telling you this story because it was the straw that broke the camel's back for our relationship. We stayed together for another 6 months after that but from that day I knew I could never trust or love a man who could behave that way, especially at that important and difficult time. I needed support and understanding and I got nothing. (He would also tell me similar things to your dh, i.e. that the reason ds was crying or not sleeping was because I was too stressed, shouting, that my milk was 'bad', etc.)

Behaviour like this is totally unacceptable. It is selfish and pathetic and it makes me utterly furious on your behalf. I have been there and I know how hurtful it can be. I really hope you can sort this out before babe arrives. It is a stressful time for both of you but he must realise that this is not the way to make life easier. Hope you don't mind me rambling on.

MummyToSteven · 12/09/2004 18:55

flossam, wondering how you were today

Heathcliffscathy · 12/09/2004 19:07

flossam, i don't think anyone can see into a relationship and judge it accurately from the outside. having said that, from what you've said, i think that your dp has behaved terribly, most especially as you're pregnant and tired and it should be his priority to make things easy for you not the opposite. i really hope that when he comes home, you are able to talk this through and that he undertakes to change his behaviour. i'm so sorry that you're having to go through this right now. pregnancy is a stressful time for some relationships...but after the baby is born is a real crunch point for most. aloha is right, you need to try and get this sorted before the baby arrives...

i hope things are better for you today.

Flossam · 12/09/2004 21:29

You've all been so lovely I feel like I might cry! I have just been trying to stay focused on getting to work and back for the last couple of days, I've had to put it to the back of my mind a bit really. Plus I thought he would be here when I got back tonight, but he's not. Dosen't look like he has been back at all today either. It just feels like this has just become a bit of a game, either that or he really is intending to leave me, I just don't know really. I won't find out till he gets back. I really don't want to be the one to phone. He should by now want to check that I'm ok, if only for the baby's sake not mine. It's his birthday tomorrow and I kind of hoped we could of sorted it by now... can't see that happening somehow. Even if he does come back he will be steaming drunk. This is starting to get to me a bit now really.

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MummyToSteven · 12/09/2004 21:31

oh flossam I think you really need to explain to RL friends and family what is going on, and line up some moral and practical support for you. after a baby that never goes amiss, even if DP is back, contrite and pulls his weight. and keep on posting here of course.

Flossam · 12/09/2004 21:36

He has just walked in. I don't know what sort of state he's in, I can't bring myself to look at him. This has really wrongfooted me, IYKWIM. I don't know what to do. I think he quite possibly is pissed, and if not he intends to be, lots of clinking of bottles... took him several attempts to get the door open too. I'll let you know! Thanks so much for all your advice and help.

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MummyToSteven · 12/09/2004 21:37

take care flossam and hope you are not tempted to cave in and apologise. post when you can to let us know you are ok.

moomina · 12/09/2004 21:37

Flossam, I really hope it goes okay for you tonight Thinking of you.

coppertop · 12/09/2004 21:38

Best of luck, Flossam. xxx

EvesMama · 12/09/2004 22:11

Good luck... Ingnore him tonight, not to be funny, but he's probably in no fit state to have a proper conversation. Let him come to you, you havent done anything wrong.x

libb · 13/09/2004 08:42

Flossam, how are you this morning? I will mail you my number - or you can mail yours and I will call you if you like. xxxx

motherinferior · 13/09/2004 09:03

Flossam, I've only just caught up with this thread. Everyone is right! He's wrong! Big hugs!

Galaxy · 13/09/2004 09:16

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Flossam · 13/09/2004 09:37

Hi there again! Well he's snoring away in bed still (!) was drunk last night. But he did try and make up with me in a drunken clumsy way. Things are a little easier. I did manage to get some things off my chest although as you've said I don't know how much will be remembered! We will have to have this conversation again, hopefully on Weds when we are both off together.

I think I made him understand a bit more about the whole pregnancy thing! I told him I was really knackered and was finding the motivation to do anything hard and he asked me why I was finding it so tiring!!! I think it made him think and he conceeded that it must be pretty tiring.

It's his birthday today, and I know I'll probably be chastised for this but I really don't want it to be a bad argumentative negative day. So things are going to have to be put on the backburner for a bit. I wouldn't want my birthday to be ruined if it were the other way round! But I do appreciate there are a lot of issues I need to address here. It seems a shame cause I've been in a nice little bubble thinking that everything between us was fine. But hopefully it will be. Libb, thanks for your offer! I'm ok this morning thank you but I still want to have that email off you soon!! Thanks so much to everyone for listening to my whines and being so supportive of me, you've all been lovely.

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Heathcliffscathy · 13/09/2004 10:22

floss you haven't been whining!

have a good day if you can. but make sure you don't lose sight of the fact that things have been pretty unacceptable and really really need talking about.

i hope everything goes easily for you and that he sees the error of his ways!!!

Papillon · 13/09/2004 10:28

Enjoy your day Flossam and good luck with talking to him... remember now that you have all this advice from MN he will need some slow patient training

Bibiboo · 13/09/2004 10:55

Flossam, have skim-read the whole thread and am apalled at your dps behaviour/attitude. You are a saint in my book and being pg isn't easy and won't get any easier. I am 8 months now and exhaustion is my middle name!

I have a plan for you though: If he wants to know why you're so tired, fill a hot water bottle, stuff it in a cushion and strap it to his belly then make him wear it all day. Force feed him uppers and downers so her can experience mood swings. Make him drink several hundred pints of water so he too can experience to full-bladder phenomenon, and strap sand bags to his ankles to simulate water retention.
Make him sleep on the floor so he can have backache, bind his wrists so tightly he gets the numbness and tingles of carpal tunnel syndrome and feed him anything that gives him terrible indigestion.

That should do it

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but from what you've said, he hasn't realised just how hard being pg can be.

Flossam · 13/09/2004 13:03

Thanks Bibiboo I've been sat here giggling at that and he's completely confused as to why! poor thing, if only he knew....!

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Bibiboo · 13/09/2004 15:31

Oh, and selotape a big bunch of grapes to his bum-hole and tell him that if he squishes one, he's in for some serious, throbbing discomfort

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