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Please help me to manage this old family friend....

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ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 25/03/2019 07:41

She's an old friend of my mum's (mum now deceased). She has been in and out of the picture for decades, even though we lived overseas and so didn't see her for years at a time; she kept in regular touch with my mum and always remained a 'current' friend rather than a past one, so to speak. She lives in the same city as me and my DH/DC, and she is a kind person who frequently offers to babysit, come round with presents, sends little nonsense messages on Facebook, that sort of thing. She has one DD of her own (who is very nice and no-nonsense), who has now gone off to work in another city.

The problem is, none of us have ever really liked this family friend. My mother used to say 'Oh God, it's her - I'M NOT HERE' and run away if the phone rang, so me and my sister had to make awkward conversation with her. My mum found her overbearing and intrusive and really wanted the relationship to just die, but was a bit passive and 'what can I do?' about it all and so it's just kept going for decades. I had to invite her and her DD to my wedding because DM insisted I couldn't not; DSis had to invite them to her wedding because DF insisted she couldn't not (DM had died by then). She means well, but none of us actually like her at all.

So my issue (which I'm aware I'm very lucky to have): she keeps on at me about wanting to meet up, and has always been desperate to babysit my DC (now aged 7 and 8, both boys). I did take her up on this a few times in the past (say maybe 5 in total over 8 years?) and the occasions varied from her taking them out for the day to her sitting for them when they were in bed. I preferred the latter as frankly I get the impression she doesn't like them very much Confused she used to be a primary school teacher and her own DD has always been good as gold, while my two are not so much (we're working on it, believe me). She has always just sounded so cross teacher around them, even when I'm there, that it got to the point where I didn't really want to send them off alone with her.

The very last time she looked after them was the final straw for me. She begged to do it (please note I only actually instigated these occasions on 4/8 times; the other times she's insisted pretty much) and it ended up being a massive deal. On the face of it she was only sitting for them on Sat evening while we went out, but: she needed dinner so arrived early and ate with us (we felt obliged to cook), we had an obligatory hour's chat before going out, we had an obligatory hour's chat after coming back, she couldn't possibly drive home at that hour so stayed the night, she stayed for breakfast and hung around hopefully until half 11 before realising that was it and then headed home. I don't want to do all that again Grin

Basically I have tried to go low contact and be bright, breezy, unavailable since then (last summer). I haven't taken her up on the many babysitting offers, I've been polite yet unavailable,. I just want her to take the hint Sad

She's now messaged this morning asking if she's done anything to upset me. I can't work out a way of responding that will leave us at low contact but not cause massive offence Confused please help!

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LumpyPillow · 25/03/2019 14:07

Exactly that, another20.

This isn't a nice well meaning person. Its manipulative, controlling, martyr shit. Seeing you have said the quote above OP, which i missed, it seems you likely will face those problems again if you leave things open to her. She's not interested in how anyone else feels. You don't needto feel sorry for her. She's not a friend, she's an obligation, as a result of her own behaviour.

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 25/03/2019 14:09

I've sent the above now so we'll see. I will find it easier to be blunt if she continues to push after this as to me it's a fairly disinterested message!

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another20 · 25/03/2019 14:12

That sounds good OP.

But what will you do or say (or not do or say ;) ) once the immediate next communication comes.

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 25/03/2019 14:14

I'm focusing on being bright, breezy, unavailable Grin will see how I go! I've been on MN for a long time so surely I must have absorbed some of the wisdom; in fact I definitely have as prior to this I'd have already answered her apologising profusely....

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LumpyPillow · 25/03/2019 14:29

Well done OP, sounds good. Continue to ignore any inevitable messages pushing for more.

another20 · 25/03/2019 14:30

I feel your pain - but I can see that within your last 2 posts you have vacillated from deciding you will be blunt and being bright and breezy and unavailable. Which way will you go do you think? This is what tricky difficult people do to us. They choose not to respect your boundaries and they ignore polite social cues that don’t suit them - causing you stress!

You have made great progress - you haven’t seen her for 9 months, she has reduced contact a bit but has come back again and you have resisted apologising and doing everything she wants - so well done. Just keep on the slow fade - ignore all the memes totally and if she asks a direct Q don’t bother to answer until she chases up again and then just respond with something vague and non commital.

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 25/03/2019 15:13

I am a bit vacillatory, it's true Blush I will endeavour to be consistent!

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another20 · 25/03/2019 15:17

Your real feelings are always consistent but your behaviour will vacillate each time you allow FOG to invade. Totally exhausting.

pallisers · 25/03/2019 15:23

Just say: “Hi, sorry but we’re super busy at the moment. Take care xx”

Just say this - maybe add "no offence at all" And then if you want to contact her during the summer you can.

Happynow001 · 25/03/2019 15:31

She is also negative and critical around your children.

Well done on sending her your last message OP. Just remember, however, if you don't stick to it you may be passing this problem to your children, in the same way you (and your sister) have inherited it.

Fingers crossed for you. 🍀

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 25/03/2019 21:52

Ooh, I've had a one-word answer - 'Ok'. She's good at this Grin

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NWQM · 25/03/2019 23:02

Maybe she's on Mumsnet.....seriously though take the win. No reply necessary so don't over think it.

LumpyPillow · 25/03/2019 23:18

Ah yes, the wounded, one word answer. She really is annoyed she isn’t in control. You’re free from smothering!

I would advise to maybe put her as an ‘acquaintance’ on fb and when you post any status stuff set to ‘friends except acquaintances’ on anything you don’t want her to see. Just in case, I think ‘upsetting’ people who are like this can sometimes ramp up their obsession and determination to know anything possible and even try to ‘bump into’ you. It will also help her in detaching and forgetting a bit. Of course if you hardly post on fb, disregard this!

stacktherocks · 26/03/2019 07:45

Great!

Best way to deal with the passive aggressive ‘okay’ message is to take it at face value.

She said it’s okay. Therefore great! It’s okay. You’ve communicated your need, she’s accepted it, move on.

Hopefully she’s the type to bear a grudge and will now stay away. But even if not, no worries. You’ve set a boundary and you can maintain it despite whatever she thinks you should be doing instead.

Well done OP. This stuff gets easier every time.

another20 · 26/03/2019 07:46

Yes she is in a huffy sulk now. Classic response from a selfish person.

So another step along the way - well done.

As PP has said expect something else, bumping into you, things in the post etc and be ready for that......it might go on for sometime. The frienemy that I discreetly faded out of my life sent me a vitriolic character assassination by text 10 months later! Unhinged

DarklyDreamingDexter · 26/03/2019 08:10

I think your eventual response was spot on. If she's chosen to respond with just ok, leave it at that. Great, job done. Move on, forget about her until she gets in contact again. The PA mind games only work if you let them. Don't rise to it and don't follow it up. You've done nothing wrong and said nothing wrong. If she chooses to get the hump, so be it!

FriarTuck · 26/03/2019 08:29

She really is annoyed she isn’t in control.
Or maybe she's genuinely hurt.

bluejelly · 26/03/2019 08:29

I had a similar issue with one of my mum's friends. She was very kind to me growing up but we have nothing in common and she is very overbearing. I decided three years ago that I would have lunch once a year, and no more. She always says things like 'that was so lovely I wish we could do it more often' and I nod and smile. Every other overture she makes though, I politely decline. She seems to be getting the message now!

ivykaty44 · 26/03/2019 08:34

She's now messaged this morning asking if she's done anything to upset me. I can't work out a way of responding that will leave us at low contact but not cause massive offence confused please help!

Take the opportunity to say

Well I find the pressure you put on me to babysit very overbearing and I don’t like it, so probably try to keep contact to a minimum with you due to this. I’m being honest and it’s probably not what you want to hear, but you have asked

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 26/03/2019 08:40

I think she may be hurt, yes, but I am going to leave it at that. If it's a choice between her mithering me and treating me like another one of her children in terms of contact frequency or her leaving me alone, I will choose option B any day.

Honestly, I think with her it's a mixture of well-intentioned checking in on me and also self-interest in terms of seeking out social interaction. I get that, I do. But over the years we've known each other I've sought her out far less than she's sought me, and I don't think I've ever indicated that I want the level of contact she perpetuates. Anyone else in the world would have got the bloody hint by now!! Her DD doesn't do this at all; she politely contacted me a while back for help with a work thing (which I'd offered to provide) and I gladly helped her out. She thanked me and then went away. AND THAT WAS IT. That's my preferred level with their family. I wish her mum would get it!

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another20 · 26/03/2019 09:28

Next thing might be the DM manipulating her DD to get in contact with you about something - flying monkey - be ready to handle that one as well.....

LumpyPillow · 26/03/2019 10:12

Yes, she may be genuinely hurt, but the OP isnt being cruel or malicious. She has tried to assert boundaries and had them trampled over. If you steamroll over people for 60 odd years with little to no self awareness, you are going to get hurt eventually, when someone decides enough is enough.

Also, the ok wasn't an 'ok!' because of the lack of any other words like 'yes im fine thanks' Its a classic passive aggressive, 'chase me' manipulative move.

juneau · 26/03/2019 10:23

Well done OP. I suspect she's just lonely and that's why she pushes herself into your life more than you'd like (and did the exact same thing to your DM). If you and all your family find her consistently pushy and irritating, then probably everyone else in her life does too and so she probably struggles to fill her days. That's not your fault though and you shouldn't feel like you have to be the one to provide her with entertainment. I think a lot of annoying people get to a similar point in their lives, but self-reflection is beyond them. I have an aunt who has lived in the same place her whole life and who has no more friends than you can count on one hand.

Lemoneeza · 28/03/2019 08:45

hurrah!

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