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So, my husband is having an affair ... with our friend

79 replies

maskingtherealme · 21/03/2019 01:21

Two fucking years ago!

Camilla WAS a close family friend. I saw her as a sister, best friend and children saw her as an Aunty. She came (on too many!) holidays with us - actually, all but one in 7 years, days out, stays over etc. She was once married to Andrew but she split from him in March 2017. Since then, Camilla and my husband Charles have had a make-over with the clothes they wear! They began a diet regime - TOGETHER! They started a new hobby - TOGETHER! They made household decisions in my home - TOGETHER! She insisted on sitting next to him on the same sofa rather than the spare, she would strip to her thong and bra to weigh herself in front of him - it's endless! I suspected something as far back as July 2014. But I wasn't overly concerned. She is an exhibitionist and also Charles was NOT one of those blokes who would look and chase - GOD, how wrong I was! But during that time, my depression took hold. I became withdrawn, used my smart phone as a release from the world around me - Charles and Camilla ignoring me, forgetting i was there and USING ME! Charles claims he feels on a high with her and not with me. he loves us equally - which hurt. We have been together for 14 years. I compared us to sweets; standing in an aisle not knowing whether to buy the smarties or the rolos. The Bastard was loving the pull from us both!

Anyways, here I am on day 5 now (early hours). I had a solicitor appointment yesterday which was EXTREMELY positive in my favour. I told the solicitor that Charles wants to; sell Camilla's house, give me £200,000 and move Camilla into our martial home - with his mother in the annexe and our children aged 7 and 4 sharing their time between 'home' and 'mummy's little house'. He laughed! I am entitled to FAR MORE than what he realises due to the massive imbalance in salaries between us plus a hefty child maintenance and a share of his pensions.

In 48 hours, Charles had ended it with me and asked to try again a total of FIVE TIMES! During that time, which was also a catalyst for him back and forth with his indecisiveness, Camilla apparently slashed herself - but not hard enough - and told him. the final time came when he went to see her to end it. Apparently a GP was being called by her friend because she was 'in a state' yet 24 hours later shes at work grinning like a Cheshire Cat whose got the cream!!! Not sure the slashing happened OR this GP was being called. Also apparently another guy left his wife for her last week when she had a choice between him and Charles and asked Charles to go with her!

Charles said there's been nothing sexual. Not convinced. Getting myself check out.

But stupidly I want him back. I think Camilla is manipulative, controlling - more so than Charles - and he lied about sex. Because he lied, I think Camilla has used that as a noose and said (slyly) that she (me) will find out and now he feels he has no choice but to be with her because I won't take him back - but I would!

One last chance! If he admits to sleeping with her prior to Tuesday 19th March and that this was all planned, I would want to save our marriage BUT on my terms. At least if he IS being controlled and felt he had no way of coming back, he may just?

I would give him 48 hours to consider and if I get a reply of 'no' or no reply at all, i am willing to go for full divorce procedures and I have a LONG LIST of unreasonable behaviour but also my solicitor said I could go for adultery.

Helpful advice would be welcome. I know many will think I am bonkers taking back a man who potentially has lied about the length of the affair and the nature of it, but I love my family. I want us to work. I don't want that home wrecker, narcissistic, man eater, selfie obsessed, control freak having my family.

How dumb of me to trust her.

OP posts:
Springwalk · 21/03/2019 05:56

I am with you op. I am sorry this has happened to you.

Yes your old friend has screwed you over, but if it wasn’t her it would be someone else.

If you want to continue to have Charles creeping about behind your back to see Camilla or someone else, then by all means hang onto him.

However you may just ‘win’ by leaving the grubby pair to it, tell Camilla she is welcome to your washed up left overs and take him for every penny he has. He moves out. Not you.
You get to go on and have a happy ending. Unfortunately he can’t leave himself so he is buggered.

You deserve so much better. Throw out his stuff, change the locks and book a holiday. Charles is soiled goods now, but decent men exist and that is your future.
FlowersFlowersFlowers

OohYeBelter47 · 21/03/2019 06:47

You can take him back and spread the pain out over years or hit it now and be free to have a trusting life much quicker. He will go back to her when she clicks her fingers /puts drama on hold.

The very point that he even needs 48hrs to consider if you are his better option annoys me! It should be the other way around - he is begging you and you want 48hrs to consider. He will come back to you to save money (then squirrel it away for the next time!), he /they will be at it again, don't give him a chance to get his ducks in a row for your divorce. Get in the driving seat and stay there.

Ignore all the idiots that don't get the camilla and charles bit! God forbid you are able to be a little humorous in your time of need...

Shortandsweet96 · 21/03/2019 07:01

@purplepears I cottoned on straight away and I'm too young to even remember it.

Serin · 21/03/2019 07:06

Just get rid of him.
You dont need him in your life.

sagradafamiliar · 21/03/2019 07:13

She's just named them C+C that's all. It's not actually about them lol.
OP you deserve so much better Thanks

f83mx · 21/03/2019 07:30

Guys....: it’s a joke post.... Charles/camilla ....??

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 21/03/2019 07:34

Do not walk into divorce proceedings believing everything a solicitor tells you

This

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 21/03/2019 07:36

I cottoned on straight away and I'm too young to even remember it

You won't remember then that there are no similarities with the actual Charles and Camilla and the names have just been chosen instead of giving them initials

mummmy2017 · 21/03/2019 07:39

Your unhappy now, so ditch the bitch, get rid of the rotter, and sue for a lots.

Lweji · 21/03/2019 07:39

Yes, it's a rather unfortunate choice of names, but different story.

The thing is, OP, you are probably feeling like Diana, and not unlike her, it's madness to have any hope of rebuilding this relationship.
Sort it out and move on.

NameChangeNugget · 21/03/2019 08:02

This post is as funny as Mrs Browns Boys Biscuit

WantRapunzelLocks · 21/03/2019 09:04

It's a joke. Jesus Christ.

Thatsalovelycuppatea · 21/03/2019 13:19

Think this is a wind up Confused

sagradafamiliar · 21/03/2019 13:23

What's the joke then? That she's used Charles and Camilla's names? :/

FookMeFookYou · 21/03/2019 13:47

I don't get it...

ilovepinkgin33 · 21/03/2019 13:55

Wow too much time on your hands op ?? Not remotely amusing

TheLoneWolfDies · 21/03/2019 14:06

I don't know if its a joke but i couldn't even finish reading it. The way its written really pissed me off for some reason, its like a 13 year old girl telling a story.

DonPablo · 21/03/2019 14:13

Did I fall down a rabbit hole?

Maddy762 · 21/03/2019 14:14

Oh Diana, I am so sorry to hear this and the pain you must be going through. They are both awful people. You will get through this and find love again, maybe with a nice Egyptian man. Whatever you do though, DON’T GO TO PARIS!!!

FilledSoda · 21/03/2019 14:20

How is it a joke ?
I don't understand this at all.

Myheartbelongsto · 21/03/2019 18:16

Get off mumsnet and start digging the patio

YoLoHogwomanay · 21/03/2019 18:57

are you on glue?

maskingtherealme · 22/03/2019 03:49

Yes used the Charles and Camilla names because my neighbour always referred to her as Camilla and I didn’t want to choose initials etc that I would forget to use and Camilla, well, went with Charles didn’t it!

So thanks to those who are on these bored to see the seriousness of these problems rather than troll them to belittle, make fun of and simply to be down right rude to those in trouble.

Yes, I am bonkers. I actually have seen how controlling he has been of me (and our little ones) for years.

I have spoken to so many people with words of wisdom and support (and surprisingly I have been contacted by a few from their work place - yes, they began as colleagues!!) who have told me that superiors are aware (apparently this is a bad thing? Especially as I also found out Charles was asked direct by a line manager and he lied - not good apparently) and the whole place (a good 700 people though exaggeration if that many knew!) know what they have done and are disgusted, calling them bastards. Poison tart, conniving, manipulative bitch etc.

Support has been tremendous!

Also his entire family have disowned him. His other rang HR St his company! (I will say, I have NOT had any contact with his company nor have I told anyone else to do the same! Bless them all; they all did it off their own back)

So the finding out went like this:
Sunday:
Charles goes to see my mother to tell her first as he wanted her down at our house to shelter the fallout from our children aged 7 and 4.
He tells me it’s over. I ask if there is someone else. He says yes, I said Camilla and he said yes. He was VERY cagey as tonwhen it began. Claimed he cannot remember (he has been deleting texts for a VERY long time plus Camilla always had access to his phone - works phone - whereas I never did!) So three hours of a long chat and he decides he DOES want to make a go of it. He actually said there was no sexual relations between them. Hmm
That night he shows me a text that Camilla sent: I have hurt myself but I have people round me to stop me from killing myself. We spoke for an hour (?) about how best to reply. I told him it was emotional blackmail due to him telling her it was over with her, and he wanted to save his marriage. That night bot od is tossed and turned.

Monday: He went to work. Mum came to talk to me about what he said. I was livid. He said he never envisaged himself as a family man and that he was going to give me £200,000 to buy a ‘little house’ in our village near my mum and Camilla would move into our martial one with HIS mother in the annexe like she was ‘last of the fucking manner’ - no prizes as to how that was responded too. I will say by this time I HAD remained level headed and calm. Then Charles arrives home and tells me it was over between us! Half expected him to say that Camilla was in hospital. Dammit!!!! So I hit the roof. Told
Him what he stood to lose etc. He had a chat with my mum and came back after an out wanting to make a go at it marriage again! Confused We we’re going to go for a coastal walk to talk when he showed me a text that read: fuck fuck fuck. Never contact me again. So I said okay as it showed his reply of: sorry 100% it can never work. So we talked, came home and went to bed. I woke at midnight and by 4am we had BOTH been up taking for four hours. During that time it came out that the ‘affair’ actually went as far back as October 2018 - a time when he pushed me and bruised my arms. He now admitted that yes, they had ‘raised’ it again back then and it was a catalyst for his violence. Then later on he actually admitted it started two years go - March 2017 - when Camilla broke off with Andrew. I have since found out that Charles wrote a financial agreement for Andrew to sign to hand the house over to Camilla - about £32,000 went to Andrew. I knew nothing of at the time. He also told me he didn’t see himself as a family man. He loved us both and LIKED the two lives he was having. Angry During this time i KNEW he wanted ME to end it rather than him, so he didn’t have the guilt of actually ending the marriage despite it being ended due to his adultery and behaviour. I kept telling him, I am not a quitter and do not give up so easily and want us to be together and be a family; I can’t switch off love!!!!
Tuesday:
He comes downstairs to tell me he is ending it with Camilla. He seemed sure but something in his eyes told me otherwise. He wanted to see her face to face to appease her and me (?!?!) I said I couldn’t stop him but made him swear on his children’s lives he was ending it with her and I said if ihe doesn’t it would be the end.
He rings me en route saying Camillas friend Patsy (sorry, don’t know Camillas friends! 😂) has rang to say she was in a bad way and needed the GP out. Charles said he would end it and stay until someone was with her. I was not convinced. But messaged my husband that I had a GP appointment later that week (not sleeping) and I wish Camilla no harm - how daft of me! Two hours later, I sat with his mother and said indodn’t Have a good feeling. Sure enough 15 seconds later he rang my mobile to end it AGAIN with me! Cue screams, shouts, slammed phone down, texts flying back .. I told him to get his stuff which took him 8’hours cos he was scared of me! Grin I wasn’t or have any intention of harming him. I didn’t want to see him. His stuff was in bags and draped on our gate in the driveway. It was my artistic impression of GO TO HELL! Anyways, children came home. Seven year old broke his heart when I told him in child speak that daddy didn’t want to live with us anymore but reassured him that daddy still loves him and his little sister. I asked him if he wanted to see his daddy and he said yes so when Charles has packed his Mercedes Benz (this is relevant) he saw the children on the drive. I have also by this point made it public about their afffair and how Charles and I are not together.

Wednesday: I get tens of messages of support. Surprisingly from his work place from people I would never expect. I was also told Camilla was back at work and swanning around like she was a Cheshire Cat who got the cream. So much for needing a GP the day before after her failed ‘suicide’ mission Hmm I was then told that several people had went to HR to complain about it (apparently he lied to a line manager and it brings the company into disrepute). Camilla has never been well liked for years as she has form for being investigated for relations on site and bullying. In all cases, nothing could be proved. She DID have a nice side to her but it wasn’t whonshe really was. She is massively controlling, loud, an exhibitionist and over the last two years she has become diet, appearance and selfie obsessed especially with snapchat. I always Hmm TBH and thought that’s just her! But all the while her diet,
Appearance change, fitness regime, her forcing herself into Charles hobbies etc (and the stripping off in front of him) was all a way to flirt,
Flaunt and to basically tens to the primal Male instinct!

There’s no WAY they managed to remain celibate towards each other in two years.
Charles often spent ‘weekends’ at her house (no over nights) doing her decking, car port, downstairs loo etc. I honestly thought he saw her and a friend and that actually Charles would NEVER betray me
Or deceive me ...

So I had a solicitors meeting Wednesday. I won’t go into it by there was a lot of eyebrow raising and despite me looking likely to Ben massively financially better off without him, the solicitor could see I was not 90% sure I wanted a divorce. So I came away confused.

I will admit this: I do think Charles was backed into a corner by Camilla. Charles said there was no
sex and when he told me this on Sunday I believed him and told him I did (slap me now!) Camilla then told Charles that I would find out and lies always get found out (her way of subtly saying she - meaning me -
Will end our marriage if sex took part) so he thought I have no choice; Camilla it is. THIS is why I want to say to him; even if you have planned this for two years, Camilla has being periodically pushing you for a decision even though you have been having second thoughts, and you HAVE had sex. Despite all that one LAST chance to save us. Now you can see that you can come back and not be ruled, persuades or under the spell of that conniving little madam. But if i don’t get an answer by the time I meet with my solicitor, divorce proceedings WILL go ahead.

Charles always said she has form for this - his words. She has been unfaithful in past relations before she met Andrew, she was probably being unfaithful with Charles whilst married to Andrew, she was seeing the brother of a best friend and then supposedly a 50 year old who left his wife and family last week for her when she text Charles and basically said it’s the 50 year old unless you want to come with me.

I doubt there was a 50 year old.
I think he was made up or the poor
guy that it was (apparently a sub contractor) was used in her little game to force Charles into a corner.
He’s no angel in playing us off! Also the slashed arms or whatever I think was a lie as was Patsy calling and the GP visit.
You don’t swan about at work 48 hours after a supposed suicide attempt or 24 hours after needing a GP home visit. The reason it took 2
Years is because Camilla couldn’t
Afford a divorce from Andrew in 2017 so waited until now (Andrew has told me they divorce next month). She has planned this and pushed Charles to stick with it -
All the time he has made love to me,
Planned holidays, lived together, planned household stuff (summer house), lived as a family and he has KNOWN what he was aiming for. He admitted that he loved our house and it is important to him - more than me. I said a burnt house can be rebuilt but families cannot. Family is important to me and I told him that

  • but he just went on about the house. He told everyone at work that he was going to move Camilla into the family home. He wants 50/50 kids!! I am the primary care giver plus he never does any parenting at all! I am talking bedtimes, baths etc and he has to be forced to parents evenings anndhe doesn’t attend school
Events either. He never assigns days off for them. He doesn’t read with them, do homework, play, take them to their friends parties and as babies he never fed them, changed them, clothed them, tended to them whilst sick (I did it even when I had a strep throat with a temp of 39.9 - I remember) and he never bought them clothes etc or involved in Xmas unless it was a Jeep, drone, Quad bike or tool box for the eldest - figure that one out! He wants 50/50 because he reckons he won’t pay maintenance which he is VERY mistaken on. I want full custody.

Charles now has a joint income of £110,000 to my part time salary. Between them they have four cars -
2 jags, a Mercedes Benz and a Land Rover. They have her 5 bed house for now. They want our marital home because it’s bigfer, they have their wine making hobby here plus our indoor swimming pool. Charles spoke about how he missed our cruise days and holidays as a couple. Now they get to enjoy all that.

It’s aboit money and status and being child free. I was never good enough for him.

When I first met him he always wanted a white glide. He found our family home and I always knew he was actually emotionally attached to it more than he was me. I think I have been a means to an end. My full time salary at the time helped him with what he wanted and now I am part time, he is flattered by this woman’s attention he has everything he wants. I was enquiring about going full time in September and he even mentioned to my mum that it would lighten the financial burden on me - more likely he wouldn't have to fork out as much money to me! But due to his choices, it’s forced me to have to remain part time as I am and will be the main primary care giver.

I feel so cheated and used by Charles. 14 years of deceit.

It’s divorce. I just need now hand holding through all this and wisely advice along the way.

He never did love me. I am now on sleeping pills. Tonight’s would have worked IF it hadn’t been for my four year old waking me at 2am. Oh well, tomorrow night it might be better.

OP posts:
user764329056 · 22/03/2019 04:16

I haven’t read all this but if it’s genuine it’s a knife to the heart, partner married my best friend, I had no idea they were having an affair behind my back, double betrayal and it hurts like hell

MumsyJ · 22/03/2019 04:17

Oh gosh OP, I feel your pain through your post Flowers.

Who the fuck do Camilla and Charles think they are? Don't be hard on yourself. Yes karma can be sometimes non existent or slower than a slow coach, but hey, the grass is never greener on the other side in their case.

Look on the bright side of life, your DC to live for and eventually, this hurt will go away. Leave the bumholes to it. You'll have the last laugh. Stay strong OP. X