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DP confessed...

58 replies

Tartanwarrior · 20/03/2019 23:05

All of these things over the course of a conversation:
That he loves the attention of women ( I knew this)
It fills a hole inside him.

He is ok with keeping them a secret from me.
He finds it easy to lie.

When questioned, then he would prefer to be on his own, ( he has often pushed me away for months at a time.)

I knew all this, but thought I was going nuts- because everything was always my fault.

He is full of self hatred...we had conversations/ arguments about these things before, but it was shocking to hear it all at once.

This does follow on from my other thread, but I couldn't find it.
To recap... he had previously lied a lot. We tried working on it, there was little to no affection/sex, I questioned it, and he has now pushed me away.
And now that...

I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make!

OP posts:
Moralitym1n1 · 21/03/2019 16:11
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beenandgoneandbackagain · 21/03/2019 16:14

It's easy from the outside to see exactly what he is doing. Which is appealing to the self-destructive button which many women have which makes us want to believe that we can fix someone, that they will be different with us because if we just love them enough, whatever flaws they have will be healed over.

Don't kid yourself. It never happens. You can't fix him, and more importantly, it's not your job to even try.

You sound like you have a lot of love to give - go and give it to someone who appreciates and deserves it.

MsDogLady · 21/03/2019 16:18

He convinced you that he has “the right to be dishonest,” just as he had the right to keep you on the periphery of his life and to have emotional affairs as long as their was no sex.

He is a “smart, interesting, very bright, very logical, very convincing”... liar, stonewaller and gaslighter.

You need to remove this manipulative egomaniac from your life ASAP. He is a danger to your mental health.

MMmomDD · 21/03/2019 17:06

OP - you keep coming back with the same threads...
Posted last August, then a few days ago - nearly identical threads. With same issues.
You keep getting same advice.
Now it got worse. You get the same exact advice.

However - all you say - I love him and want it to work.
There isn’t much anyone can say to make you see the reality as it is.

Maybe you just want to vent?

Haffiana · 21/03/2019 18:48

I think you are addicted to his drama and mistake that for feelings for him.

Endlessly thinking about why he does this or that, what motivates him, what he needs etc, etc - it is all instead of facing the gaping hole inside yourself. You are existing only in relation to him. Your boundaries are non-existent.

If you are in therapy you urgently need a different therapist. If you are not then you need to find someone professional and qualified to work with.

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 19:04

Tartanwarrior this is incredibly sad.

Have you spoken to WA as I think it's passed time that the internet can help and you need to talk to rl supports.

You really do need to get some help in dealing with him. He's treating you appallingly. Flowers

Closetbeanmuncher · 21/03/2019 19:12

manipulative egomaniac

Spot on choice of words

The people who know and like him only see the mask....the empty rotting carcas you're seeing is the real deal.

You have no ties at all, with respect what the fuck are you doing with your life??

Tartanwarrior · 03/04/2019 07:12

Ok all
You have all given me so much to think about.
I feel like I need to put everything out here, so that I can dig up this thread if ever I'm feeling confused.

He is charming, funny, smart, well thought of.
Just before we started seeing each other, he went out with a group of his then current ( female only) students. They were early 20's. It's against policy. One of those students is one he befriended. She's the one who made the craft items that he went on to fill his living room with ( over 12 items- when he doesn't even like that sort of thing, and HATES spending money on things like that.) Last time he met up with her, he had gelled his hair. He never does that.

Another ex student ( only 10 years younger than him) . She is the one he lied to me about over the course of 5 years. It went from me being blissfully unaware of her ( but felt something was off) to finding out that he had done lots of activities with her. Kept it all hidden, even though at the beginning I wouldn't have been especially bothered by the friendship. 2 years ago he told me he barely remembered her. Lies.He tells me he couldn't be truthful because I would have flipped out- she was just good company. He removed her from fb, but since then he has disappeared from his account. He used to love it but has stopped all together. He hasn't even responded when people have tagged him - which to his thinking is rude.

There was another young pretty staff member he befriended and mentored. Funny- no men need mentoring. Anyways, a big pile of her Cd's are in his car. Still. She was logged in to his Sky go account- last used 2 weeks before we got back together.

I am venting/ trying to make sense of it all.

Sex- apart from the beginning, the ' norm' is almost no kissing. No foreplay, no stroking ( I haven't had my neck kissed in 7 years- he knows I like it). No holding close. If I initiate, he goes limp. If I go on top, he goes limp. That happened once and he pushed me away ( figuratively) and gave me the cold shoulder for 7 weeks.

He very rarely penetrates, can't orgasm from sex. Very rarely can orgasm from someone else.

From Sept we were getting on very well, but no sex. I tried to mention it gently he ignored. I finally was much more straightforward , but still gentle. He said I was comparative. After that I was pushed away for months.

He is not naturally affectionate, but affection stopped almost completely. I finally sent a text to say I miss being hugged, and kissed.
That was 3 weeks ago, and he has been giving me the cold shoulder since. Says I'm demanding, that there's a list of things he has to do in the relationship. I accept so little. 2 sleepovers a week ( unless I'm being pushed away), no cuddles, no sex. We barely go out.
He has started to invite me to come along to his parents more. This time round, I got to meet his god son. I've been included on some nights out with work colleagues.

He has said he's stopped trying to get the attention of women, but he misses it, and is resentful.

We tried to talk the other day. He said he's prepared to be honest. He started by saying he couldn't be honest before because I would flip.

He said he hid the friendship with the ex student because he knows it was wrong. I said that I found the behaviour gross. I didn't mean to say that, but I did.
He told me to leave his house.
I gave him his key back, took my stuff and left.

I am a smart woman. I have a job where judgement is involved, and I'm good at it. I'm kind, I am raising my teenagers on my own. I have my own home, managing financially. I'm ok.
I can't tell my sister all this just yet because she will weep for me. He so very logically muddies the water and I get confused.
I accept so very little, because generally speaking, we have a relationship where we chat lots, and have a laugh. He's interested in my life.
I had a rough start in life, and I absolutely believe that our broken beginning is not all we are. I know I am a work in progress and I am just trying to be a better person.

Sorry for the gargantuan post. I needed to unload, and try and get perspective.

OP posts:
Tartanwarrior · 03/04/2019 07:15
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Blanca87 · 03/04/2019 07:21

But people are offering a perspective, you are just not listening or taking it on board. It reads like you are going to continue the relationship and be a door mat. What a waste, you sound amazing and wasting your life with this fud.

reallybadinterview · 03/04/2019 07:24

It really shouldn't be this hard. I'm tired just reading about it.

Tartanwarrior · 03/04/2019 07:39

Blanca- I mean my own perspective.
I'd been keeping so much hidden from friends and my family. It's become easy to just ignore the bad. I needed to get everything " out there ", so I stop pretending to myself.
I am listening, and the replies have made a difference.

OP posts:
Windygate · 03/04/2019 08:15

Tartanwarrior where is your self respect? This man has no respect or love for you.

AceOfSpades123 · 03/04/2019 09:14

Just be friends? You don’t actually have a relationship do you? No kissing, hugging, sex!! That’s a friendship. Just stop chasing this idiot and start dating other people. He’s holding you back in life. Is he Tom Hardy? Is he that good looking to warrant you running around and wasting all this energy on him? Because if not then what are you doing? Seriously? Do you care that little about yourself? Just stop messaging him and stop talking to him. See how much effort he puts in. You don’t live together right? It’s easy. Get yourself into new hobbies, change job if the colleague thing is too tricky, get yourselfcounselling...loads of things you can do to self help here.

pudding21 · 03/04/2019 10:13

Tartan: you deserve a whole whole lot more. He lies, he withholds affection, he boosts his ego with young students (sounds preadtory to me), he doesn't support you. He may well come across as kind, logical and well liked to other but he is treating you like shit. I think you will find if you ditched him you would be feeling much better and understand you deserve more than that.

Billions of people in the world, why ever chose one who makes you feel less important than you really are. Find your worth, double it, and tell him to fuck off.

OKBobble · 03/04/2019 10:39

You seem to think he will be perceived as a "catch" to others but he really isn't. Don't worry about what others think. Will your siater be weeping for you because she will hate how he is treating you or because she thinks he is the "perfect" man. If the latter time for home truths.

I honestly think you will be better off on your own than "kind of with him".
Seriously get rid and start living!

Tartanwarrior · 03/04/2019 19:18

Hello all
Thank you so much for your very honest input.
I spent my childhood being told I was stupid, being neglected, feeling worthless. My father stayed in a very unhappy situation with my mother- he wanted desperately to leave, but I came along so he stayed. I spent my whole life feeling that I was responsible for their unhappiness.

I've spent an awful lot of time working on myself. I've had a shit ton of counselling. I really believe that we don't have to be stuck in patterns that we didn't choose.

There was the last little vulnerable bit of me that still felt unworthy. Paired with that was my belief that we all evolve. On topof that- he was at manipulating me.

I finished things tonight. I am done- really really done.
I'm about to call my sister and tell her everything. I was too ashamed before to tell her everything. My grown up head knew I was better, but there was still a tiny little girl inside that believed I wasn't deserving of love, care and attention.

Everyone's overwhelming vision of how shit it was has helped, so thank you all.

Flowers
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SandyY2K · 03/04/2019 19:57

Congratulations on finally ending it.

flapjackfairy · 03/04/2019 20:08

Yay . . Well done. You DO deserve love , care and happiness. Go grab life by the scruff of the neck and find someone who deserves you. X

Bookworm4 · 03/04/2019 20:14

What have I just read?? This guy is a user and a creep also sounds like he grooms his students, run away very fast. All your navel gazing hasn't taught you much if you wasted all this time o this arsehole.

pudding21 · 03/04/2019 20:40

Well done, stay strong, he will probably ramp things up with being nasty or love Bomby now. You made the right call. Talk to friends as family. And do lots of things you enjoy!

Smotheroffive · 04/04/2019 02:53

Good god bookworm nice!

Well done OP,its bloody hard to get away from a class manipulator. He really doesn't like women, but that's not the mindset he'd have people carry around about him!

You've done brilliant. Whole new life ahead without him dragging you down. Go you!Flowers

Rainbowqueeen · 04/04/2019 04:11

You’ve done the right thing

Now block him keep busy and move on. There will be bad days but just reread your threads. Also tell your sister or a friend so you have RL support

faeveren · 04/04/2019 04:45

People tend to think that psychopaths are murderers, or use the word flippantly, however they walk amongst us, often very popular, charming and totally devoid of empathy or remorse. Pathological liars always looking for the next fix.

Moralitys quote is excellent, give it up OP, you won’t fix him, he won’t suddenly realise that you are all that he needs and he will certainly never give you what you need.

faeveren · 04/04/2019 04:52

Oh and don’t beat yourself hoping that others will see him as he really is, it doesn’t happen, not for a long time, he is too manipulative, he knows how to play the victim. Just keep moving forward.

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