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Advice?

30 replies

FloEve48 · 14/03/2019 23:06

Iv never posted on here before but I need someone to tell me if I’m being unreasonable.
It’s terrible but our (me & DH) friend passed away. We are also friends with his wife so have obviously been supporting her during this difficult time however she seems to be getting a little bit too realiant on my husband ( I know this sounds awful but..) she in contact with him daily and somethings it is just obvious to me is an excuse to talk to him. My husband works away aboard sometimes and she was even messaging when he was away on business she been messaging him! Iv told my husband about this and it just turns into a big argument and he says I’m jealous! But I really don’t see why she needs to be in contact with him everyday it’s not like she doesn’t have a family or other friends. Also the day her husband died she was on the phone to my husband and told him that her husband had spoke to her about her meeting someone else why would you say that on the day he died??

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warriorprincessandwidowed · 14/03/2019 23:12

Widowed 81 days ago. I'm appalled by your friend. Sorry but he is your husband she is wrong.

You are not jelouse she is being inappropriate and sounds like you may have a husband problem in that he is enjoying the attention.

I've chatted with friends. Male and female and been offered help etc but I kept it to my family. I have been invited out for lunch and coffee by male friends married and single and to me it's inappropriate as i am still married and in mourning. They have been super sweet and understanding and just being nice and not knowing what to do so i can assure you she knows why she is doing and it's just wrong on so many levels.

Robin2323 · 14/03/2019 23:14

As sad as it is stranger things have happened.
Read 'not just friends ' by Shirley P Glass.

A dear friend supported her best friend through a divorce when the husband left for an ow.

How did the friend thank her ?

She ran off with her husband knowing the pain it would cause.

He was begging to come shortly after but it was too late.

Kick this person person into touch ASAP.

warriorprincessandwidowed · 14/03/2019 23:15

Jesus just read again. The day my hsuabd died i howled and screamed and cried and consoled my children and made calls...

Why the fuck is she saying that. Her poor husband and my god what an absolute skank. Sorry moving on is her business buy not hours after his death. I'm off to vomit.

She is a dangerous woman. Why specifically your husband??

If tell your husband you posted for advise and I am assuring you this is in no way normal.

Samind · 14/03/2019 23:17

Did either of you have a lot of contact with his wife before your friends passing?

Robin2323 · 14/03/2019 23:17

'Comeback'

FloEve48 · 14/03/2019 23:28

Oh I was expecting people to hate me and say I was out of order but thanks for backing me up!

We didn’t have much contact with them it was more kids parties and a few nights out with the other parents but it was all couples.

My husband is a kind man and popular with eveyonewe are very fortunate that he has a good job nice house etc. (Not bragging) but I can only assume she thinks he is loaded or something?

As I have said I have spoke to him and he says he will stop contact but when she asks why, then he will tell her that I’m jealous, which will then make the whole group of friends think im some kind of nutcase.

I’m not too bothered what people think of me TBH but I think there would be a big shit storm as her parents, my husband parents and her husbands parents are friends... I don’t know how to handle it ..

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FloEve48 · 14/03/2019 23:30

I’m sorry for your loss ❤️

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FloEve48 · 14/03/2019 23:31

That was for warriorprincessandwidowed

Sorry I’m useless with technology x

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Samind · 14/03/2019 23:35

Yeah but theres reaching out and then this. I've no idea how you'd resolve it all amicably without someone getting offended but your husband should be supporting you as well. If hubby was at home, would she call over??

AnneLovesGilbert · 14/03/2019 23:36

He’s being a bit of a dick OP. Is he flattered by the attention? He’ll tell her you’re jealous?! That’s very very shitty. Is he known for white knight syndrome?

You’re not at all wrong to find this level of contact inappropriate.

warriorprincessandwidowed · 14/03/2019 23:51

Thank you.

Honestly I'd say her parents should feel ashamed.

I can tell a mile off your not jelouse. It's the unsettling disregard for her own husband she should be loving missing and mourning. I mean I know I'll griev forever and that's my choice.

But ffs the day he died... she has issues and it's not on or right by any means.

The only thing I would say is that your husband may be liked alot but your his wife... if you ask him to say it's because of this that or the other then that's what he should do. He has nothing to drop you in it for because surly all these other people will be thinking she is odd. Xx

2019willbegreat · 14/03/2019 23:52

This thread is weird. Was your H his friend? Does she see your H as a link to hers? I'm not reading anything that sounds like she's been inappropriate rather than grieving.

"Also the day her husband died she was on the phone to my husband and told him that her husband had spoke to her about her meeting someone else "......was this a dying man giving his wife "permission" to move on after his death? It just sounds to me like people experiencing loss rather than anything dodgy or "skanky"

jellycatspyjamas · 15/03/2019 06:47

Her reaction to her husbands death will be influenced by all kind of things. They may have lost intimacy and been living like friends, he may have been really difficult to live with, she may have been desperately unhappy, he may have know he was dying for some time and wanted to help her move on, she may have grieved his loss long before he died. We don’t know what goes on in a marriage so to judge her for her reaction to his death is grossly unfair.

She may be lonely, wanting male company or she may be trying to lure your husband away - again no one can fully know. It doesn’t sound like your husband is hiding anything from you in terms of her contact with him or that he’s interested in her, so he’s not heading into affair territory by the sounds of it.

What do you want him to tell her about stopping contact with her? That his wife think she’s over reliant on him and might be trying to seduce him? Which sounds closer to the truth? I don’t think I’d be prepared to lie tbh so I don’t agree that he should say whatever you tell him to say about it - you don’t want her contacting him, be honest with him and her about why. If your friends think that makes you a nutcase, so be it.

She’s recently widowed and trying to find a way through, grief affects people very differently - there’s no rhyme or reason to how we get through that, not knowing the content of the contact it’s impossible to say that there’s anything dodgy or skanky(!) about her behaviour, but your attitude to your friend leaves something to be desired.

Robin2323 · 15/03/2019 08:36

Then how come she's not contacting op for advise ?
Maybe all innocent but why risk it?

Aquamarine1029 · 15/03/2019 08:45

I think she is making your husband feel like her knight in shining armour, which can definitely lead to no good. She is being massively inappropriate.

Stormyday · 15/03/2019 08:50

Have you said anything to her? I would.

IAmcuriousyellow · 15/03/2019 08:52

What is the thing with telling her you’re jealous? That’s point scoring. Punishing you. He’s enjoying the ego massage and getting starry eyed!

warriorprincessandwidowed · 15/03/2019 08:58

To the people on here trying to defend this woman. Just stop.

As a person who had that conversation with her husband.... Not within hours of his death. That is skanky. This woman I'm sorry to say had so badly detached from her situation it is inappropriate. As I am currently in a bad place and mourning I am allowed to call a fellow widow skanky talking about moving on hours later.

It's bloody weird she would tell this woman's husband that. They are people who know people through kids and school.

Please ignore these trolls who have come in and said she is not skanky or inappropriate because she is. The only thing I can think off to some of these comments is that either they have done what she is doing and want to justify it or they are trolls or lacking any common sense.

Sadiesnakes · 15/03/2019 09:18

Agree with pp saying she is up to no good.
I've read about this happening before, it's not uncommon for these situations to quickly become affairs, and often the bond created between them is very strong.
Stick to your guns op, she is a legit threat.

jellycatspyjamas · 15/03/2019 09:22

Or they just see things differently from you. Or have done a lot of work with people who are grieving and know there’s no one right way to do it. Or who know that death sometimes brings release from a long over relationship. Or who know that people don’t always think straight or make sense after a loss. Or who have experience of folk saying the oddest things following the death of a loved one. Or who know that shock and trauma can make people a bit crazy.

We don’t know this woman, the circumstances of her husbands death or their relationship to have any understanding of what might be driving her behaviour. I can see circumstances where her behaviour would be perfectly understandable and circumstances where it would be incomprehensible, it’s ok that you don’t.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

Stormyday · 15/03/2019 09:51

It’s not just her behaviour that is the issue though. It’s her husband too. Telling her you are just jealous is out of order and setting themselves up as them against you. Alarm bells Im afraid.

FloEve48 · 15/03/2019 10:13

Thanks everyone I obviously need to raise this with her.
Her husband is not even buried yet the funeral is Monday so I was waiting till that had passed.
I’m obviously upset by her actions but my husbands also I agree with you all he is a dick and trying make me look like the bad guy. Iv had it out with him so my next mive is to contact her and ask her to stop messaging my husband. Seems as though my husband sides with her anyway, so iv nothing to lose. I’m not being made a fool of me and my girls deserve better

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NoArmaniNoPunani · 15/03/2019 10:20

I slept with a married man 4 weeks after my husband died. I'm not proud of my behaviour and it was out of character for me. He persued me and I was weak. I think both your DH and this woman are being completely out of order.
Wanting sex soon after a death is actually a recognised thing 'widow's fire'. Not that I'm looking to excuse myself

Bookworm4 · 15/03/2019 10:28

I think for your DH to tell her you're jealous is nasty. I would suggest that after the funeral he limits his replies to her and she'll take the hint if not he should say he's busy and get her to back off. Her behaviour is odd if your DH is just a casual friend not her DHs best pal, why is she not leaning on her own family? Maybe a word to her parents suggesting she needs more support?

FloEve48 · 15/03/2019 10:56

Thanks Bookworm4, I think your right.
Yes we were all friends but I wouldn’t say close. My husband and hers put together a local football team which her husband did managed but now my husband has more involvement which I don’t have an issue with as long it doesn’t take over as we a young family and he works away a lot. She seems to use this as an excuse to talk to him she wasn’t not involved as much before. She went to the games every week though. I don’t. For example last night about 22:00 she text - how many players are in the team? Xxx my husband instantly responded with the answer and obviously asked why. It then goes on to chatting a load of shit to be honest. I’m pretty sure she would have already known the answer.. another example the football group has a Facebook page and each week the time of the meet and game is on. She on this group, but always texts my husband to ask the time even though it’s on the group! I think it’s just excuse to text him don’t know what others think?! X

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