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He gets frustrated and snaps at me.

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Thefunspaniel · 10/03/2019 21:06

Generally an all round nice guy. Kind, fun, generous etc.

However, I am starting to think there are control issues.

Some examples;

We have a day out to somewhere we've never been before, all agreed to get a taxi home. I call a local taxi firm to meet us at the train station and tell him the name of the firm. When we get off the train and the cab isn't waiting. I say I'll give it 5 mins and then call them. He gets agitated, tries to get into other peoples taxi's despite me having already asked the drivers if they were booked for us. I tell him I'm nipping to the loo. He says angrily he'll phone the taxi company. I come out of the loo, I ask him what the cab company said, he snaps at me that it's my job to phone them. I phone them, ascertain how far away the cab is and get things sorted. He is literally on fire with anger at this point. We get in the cab and he refuses to talk all the way home.

He likes to book everything and be in control, so I initially thought it was because I had dealt with this particular trip but when he does deal with things and similar issues crop up, he then snaps at me anyway!. But he gets more annoyed when I deal with anything and it isn't 100% perfect.

We are on holiday and using the tourist open top bus. We get off and have lunch. All really lovely. He suggests we enjoy a stroll to the next bus stop. We walk for a while but can't find the next bus stop. He starts getting angry. Asks me what we should do and I say I will do whatever he thinks is best but I would probably just admit defeat and walk back to the original bus stop. He gets really angry, tells me I'm in a bad mood (I'm not, I deliberately stay quiet to try and appease him!) and even when I realise I had pointed out exactly where the bus stop was and I was right and he ignored me and he was wrong, I say nothing. I tell him it doesn't matter and we have all day and have enjoyed a nice extra walk. He just sulks and refuses to talk to me for nearly an hour.

Most of these issues are travel related. He's been really rude to hotel receptionists if he can't understand them and I think literally can't hear when he becomes stressed. There is a constant dialogue of "pardon" and tutting said in a aggressive way. I've tried raising my voice so he can hear me but then he accuses me of shouting. (I'm not).

He honestly treats me like a child and he places no value on my input in these situations.

When he left his mobile on a tourist bus, I was straight onto sorting it out and got it back for him. All I could feel was relief that I had foiled another of his bad moods! Rather than relief he'd got his phone back!

I have tried talking to him about it and he either gets angry and tells me it's me being in a bad mood and not him. (Honestly, everyone tells me what a calm person I am, whereas he is "known" for his snappiness) The other thing he does is pretty much dismiss my concerns as irrelevant.

It's got to the point where I honestly don't want to go anywhere with him now because if it's not 100% perfect, I am walking on eggshells. Invariably I'm in public with him and trying to keep up appearances.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/03/2019 10:27

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

How old are you roughly OP, early to mid 20s or older?

However old you are life with him is no life for you at all. He will simply continue to devalue you as a person if you stay with him.

Namestheyareachangin · 11/03/2019 11:09

This is my story. I could actually feel your emotions in the situations you described and the dread of something 'setting him off'.

If you have no children yet, then I'd strongly suggest moving on. There are men out there who are equally lovely who don't come with this unwanted and soul-destroying behaviour. Even a man a bit less lovely who doesn't have these melt-downs would be better.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/03/2019 11:28

Another vote for rethinking the relationship.

You don't say how long you've been together; has he always been like this?

You are risking heading into a lifetime of walking on eggshells, 'appeasing' his moods and altering your behaviour so that you don't 'set him off.'

Sorry, but this is an abusive relationship.

It's great that you're questioning it and have recognised it as not being 'normal.' The question is what do you want to do about it?

It's not nice to have a bunch of strangers on the Internet shouting 'Leave the bastard' but trust us, many of us have been there and experienced it too. Men like this do not change. So it's up to you to decide what happens now. Best wishes for whatever you decide. Flowers

StormTreader · 11/03/2019 11:35

One of the easiest rule-of-thumb tests you can do to see if you are in a relationship with an abusive/controlling person is to know they want A and to say "No, I really don't want to do that, I want B" or just to say "No, I'm sure you're wrong about that".

A reasonable person will be able to deal with that, an abusive person will not. If you wince at the thought of doing it, it's not a good sign.

Thefunspaniel · 11/03/2019 14:19

Thank you all for your comments.

I do have some thinking to do.

I'm in my mid forties, so no youngster.

I had a terrible, abusive childhood so I really have no gauge for normality.

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troubleswillbeoutofsight · 11/03/2019 14:46

Have a look at Borderline Personality Disorder ( now known as Eupd)

Thefunspaniel · 11/03/2019 15:18

I really doubt he is bpd as apart from these angry moments, he shows very little emotion. I see no real emotional connections with him. I think I could walk away and he would just instantly move on. There would be no grief or regret.

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ravenmum · 11/03/2019 15:24

I've started to realise that when you're in a healthy relationship, you feel like a nice person. Your partner helps makes you feel like a nice person, because they think you are nice. That's why they are with you, because they like you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/03/2019 15:33

"I had a terrible, abusive childhood so I really have no gauge for normality".

Indeed you do not and the above is mainly why you have gone from one abusive relationship into yet another. You were told that you were worthless and other harmful things. You certainly learnt a lot of damaging crap when you were growing up and those lessons have stayed with you to this very day. It is not your fault you were abused, that is all on your abusers.

You are now in your mid 40s; make your life from now on a better one because your future self will thank you for doing this.

Seek counselling for your own childhood and free yourself from the chains of that and this man also. NAPAC are good and they would be worth contacting napac.org.uk/

Love your own self for a change too.

Thefunspaniel · 11/03/2019 16:26

We literally just had a conversation where he wants to commit to thousands of pounds worth of car finance for our two 21 yr olds so they can have reliable cars with the idea that they pay us back.

I don't want to do it for various valid reasons.

So I put my argument to him about why I think it's a bad idea.

He put his ideas to me.

I told him I see his point of view and perspective, but I still disagree and don't want to do it, in a calm way.

His response?

"You're obviously grumpy today"

I pointed out that just because I disagree with him doesn't mean I'm grumpy.

He then goes on to list a load of reasons unrelated to the car conversation on why I might be "grumpy".

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Justmuddlingalong · 11/03/2019 16:29

Can we presume that being with him is top of the list?

ravenmum · 11/03/2019 18:54

Are your finances separated at all? Or does he control the money?

What would you like to do to improve this situation?

ukgift2016 · 11/03/2019 19:02

My ex was like this.

My ex had no respect for me so my opinion did not matter. He was right and I was wrong. Also everything was my fault, I used to joke he would blame me for the weather if he could.

I am now with a 'normal' man.

NiceNewShiny · 11/03/2019 19:36

How long have you been with him? Do you have kids together or do you each have your own kids?

Thatnovembernight · 11/03/2019 19:47

I’ve been in two relationships like this. It’s not you, it’s him. It won’t change. The ‘nice’ bit isn’t the ‘real’ him.

TowelNumber42 · 11/03/2019 19:55

It doesn't sound like a relationship that enriches your life.

How about right now you make a choice to stop appeasing him, stop avoiding setting him off, stop taking responsibility for managing his behaviour in public (if he embarrasses you, walk off or tell him off, don't try to cover for or excuse him)? Get in touch with what you want in any given moment and fight for that. No more tiptoeing round the scary man. See what happens when you go back to behaving like a normal person. See how lovely he actually is. Not lovely in the slightest I bet.

Btw is he some kind of idiot? He was incapable of chasing down his own phone? Or was that you panicking that he'd be a twat to you if you didn't fix his mistake for him? Do you feel panic a lot?

Thefunspaniel · 11/03/2019 20:42

I sorted out his phone for exactly that reason. I am certain I would have been blamed some how. He would have been so angry and aggressive. I suggest that the anger is often with himself because he was brought up with a controlling and negative father. It's a reason but not an excuse.

He would never have had the confidence to dial a telephone number in a foreign country, he wouldn't know how to and he struggles to understand foreign accents.

What should happen in that situation is that he ASKS me to help him if he's not capable. But honestly, hell would freeze over before that happened. We'd had a lovely morning together before the phone incident.

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ravenmum · 11/03/2019 20:46

I know it's not the issue you have, but he sounds to me suspiciously like someone who's not prepared to admit to himself that he's a bit hard of hearing.

Thefunspaniel · 11/03/2019 20:50

His hearing is fine the rest of the time. It's as soon as he's stressed, he literally can't hear!

He's also from a very white working class background and town so very unused to hearing different accents.

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ravenmum · 11/03/2019 21:07

He culd just be a dick.

He could also be a dick with hearing problems. He doesn't like using the telephone. He gets you to phone the cab company and is angry when you won't (frustrated at his inability to phone?). He says you are shouting when he's not (could be something known as "loudness recruitment", where someone has poor hearing up to a certain level, then suddenly hears, but now much too loud). He finds accents especially hard (the white working class background could be a red herring). He's known for being snappy. (Annoyed at missing things? Raising his voice because he can't judge loudness?) Stress can also worsen hearing issues, e.g. worsening tinnitus, or because the sufferer is too upset to read lips as usual, for instance.

Hearing issues or not, he's still a dick. But it would be useful for the kids to know if there's a familial hearing issue.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 11/03/2019 21:13

He's a dick. Move on. You can do better!

stabbypokey · 11/03/2019 21:27

I had one of these. Had normal relationships before. He was so lovely (or so I thought), moved in with him and I was walking on eggshells within a month. His mood was my fault and I wasn’t allowed to have any emotion (if I showed slight irritation, he went through the roof). He isn’t allowing you to express any thoughts or emotions that are contradictory to his. It will probably take him being particularly nasty a couple more times (now you are aware) for you to feel you can pull the plug. He isn’t nice or kind.

TowelNumber42 · 11/03/2019 21:42

He blames you for his failings. He gets angry and aggressive with you over normal things. You are extra nice and run around after him in the hope that he might be less of a shit to you. He is still a shit to you. I'm not seeing the joy here tbh.

lifebegins50 · 11/03/2019 22:18

This is textbook narcissistic behaviour. The projection, blame and gaslighting. I always recommend Patricia Evans the verbally abusive relationships as a means of helping you understand what is going on. Control can be convert and in a silent manner.

Your description of realising you are now placating him is exactly what gave me the wake up call with Ex. He never raised his voice but he was menacing and it got worse.

Has there been a recent change or has something happened to alter the power balance? Often some people become more narcisstic when they achieve status later in life through a career.

If you listen to what he is accusing you of then you understand how he is feeling.

If he has npd then be cautious separating. The lack of control caused Ex to be so vengeful.

Shoxfordian · 12/03/2019 05:54

It seems like you spend your life trying to appease him and allow him to make all the decisions. I don't know if he has anxiety but he does sound like an abusive twat. Don't put up with this shit anymore

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