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Desperately seeking advice on situation with friend.

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Borlotti · 10/03/2019 20:58

I've name changed for this post as it's very personal to me.

I'm hoping for some advice on my situation please as I'm someone who struggles very much with boundaries and also have very low self esteem and I'm finding it hard to work out whether my feelings are justified or I'm just being an awful person.

I have a friend who I've known for over ten years. We became friends when I was going through a dreadful situation. I'd had a breakdown after a traumatic birth, following which my partner left me without warning when my daughter was only 10 months old. I spent some time in a mental health hospital and my friend supported me through this. It is something I've always been eternally grateful for but perhaps too much so.

Over the years I'd see my friend perhaps once every three months. She had a very busy life and would often cancel on me at short notice which I would find disappointing, but I would understand to a point. Sometimes I'd find it more upsetting than others as we'd arrange to meet, then she'd cancel just an hour before saying she wanted to do something with her family instead.

In the past two years I've been in a relationship with a wonderful man, before this I'd been single for a long time.
I invited her and her partner over to dinner a few times with us and every time she took the opportunity to tell my partner some of the embarrassing things I'd done whilst ill, ten years ago. I asked her to stop and explained how ill I was and how uncomfortable she was making me feel but she still carried on.

She invited us over for dinner twice, but cancelled one of the times, again just hours before.

In November I received a text message from her telling me her partner had left her.

I immediately rang her and told her I'd support her through everything and would be there for her.

Which gets me to the situation I'm in now.....

I have helped her to sort out benefits, accompanied her to benefits appointments, given her advice in regards to her job, how to claim child maintenance etc.

She began ringing most evenings and wanting to see me at least once a week if not more. If I was too busy (I have 2 disabled children and work from home) she'd start saying she was lonely and she hadn't seen me for ages, which would make me feel incredibly guilty and I would drop everything and go round.

She said to me that I must feel like she's using me as I now see her more in a week than I ever saw her in the last year.

Often when I have gone round she's then decided to sort out something which she's not bothered with. I've spent hours there with nothing to do whilst she's on the phone asking about how to claim council tax reductions etc when I'd already told her months ago exactly how to do it and told her I'd help her fill out the form.

She's also become incredibly bitchy and has made awful comments about her ex in front of her child.

I can understand how upset she is- he ran off with a younger woman and really has left her in the shit. I don't mind her venting to me and calling him every name under the sun, I just hate her doing this in front of her child. She's involving her child in a lot of the arguments between her and her ex and her child is going back and forth between the two of them passing on information that one's said about the other.

Sometimes when I've gone round she's said insulting things about my disabled son. She's ridiculed him for being unable to drive yet. He'd struggle with driving as his disability means that his legs and feet don't function properly. Also she's being quite hypocritical as her two oldest, able bodied children can't drive!

She's also laughed at my son as he hasn't had a sexual relationship yet and said he'll end up being a freaky 40 yer old virgin.

She then said that I should force my son to go away to university as going to the uni in our town and living at home will stop him from being independent.

My son struggles very much with independence. To be honest I'd never have imagined he'd even go to university and he has already achieved far more than I ever expected of him. She knows the nature of his disabilities and should know that actually he's already doing extremely well.

Then the latest thing has been that she has started talking to men online. Some of them married. I've told her that's what some men are like and that the minute they know you're single and vulnerable they'll be there. I told her I always blocked people like this.

She told me she doesn't care as she's not doing anything wrong and they're the ones who are messaging her.

She also started messaging a single man who was a childhood friend.
She talks to him all the time and he really likes her. He wants to start a relationship with her but she's told him she doesn't want that, then the next minute she'll get drunk and tell him she wants to sleep with him etc.

She met him a few weeks ago in his town and booked a hotel for them both to stay in together. I asked her why she'd done that as surely he'd be expecting more from it if they were sharing a room together.

Afterwards she told me she'd slept with him and that he wants them to be together. He's making plans to move to be nearer to her, but she says she'd be too embarrassed for her family and friends to see him, that she isn't attracted to him as he's bald, fat and wears glasses.

I told her I thought this was awful and that she was just leading him on and treating him abysmally.

She said she's lonely and that she enjoys talking to him and that she will tell him eventually that she's not interested but she doesn't want to just yet.

I feel like she's not the person I thought she was. I disagree with so many of her choices and every time I go round to see her I leave feeling miserable and deflated.

I dread my phone ringing or any texts or messages from her.

I've been ill again recently (mental health again) and this is all tying me up in knots as I'm wondering if I'm just feeling like this due to feeling depressed or if I actually aren't keen on her at all anymore?

I DO feel used right now. I feel like she expects too much from me and I feel she insults my family and upsets me when I do see her, however I also have this tremendous guilt due to the fact she helped me when I was ill.

I'm so sorry for the long post, I just didn't want to drip feed. I really hope someone can help me out as this is all making me feel incredibly anxious.

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HelenUrth · 25/03/2019 23:57

Well done OP. Time this bitch suffers the consequences of her own behaviour.
Enjoy some well deserved peace from her drama and extreme nastiness. No matter what she may have done to support you in the past, her treatment of you and the way she speaks about your DS is completely unacceptable.
You owe her nothing.

Borlotti · 26/03/2019 08:01

I really don't feel at peace with what I've done.
I feel awful. I barely slept last night and am struggling so much.
I've not been in contact with her since I sent that message yesterday but she's text me a few times, each time denying she'd done or said anything and that she can't understand why I'm doing this.
I felt like I was going crazy and wondering if I'd over exaggerated everything in my mind until my partner reminded me that she'd said things in front of him too.
I feel so awful that I've hurt her. I hate thinking I've made her cry and feel guilty that instead of supporting her after her partner has gone I've just dumped more shit onto her and made her feel worse.

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Gazelda · 26/03/2019 08:23

She's not feeling hurt. She's feeling guilty. I guarantee it. She regrets that her behaviour has cost her a friendship. None of this is your fault.

If it helps, from what you've said I believe that you've 'paid back' the support she gave you when you were so ill. You're quits.

Now let her rebuild her life while you rebuild your own. Don't let her manipulations bring your own MH down.

She needs to find other friends to lean on. She needs to learn how healthy friendships work.
You need to block her and try to develop more balanced friendships.

elfycat · 26/03/2019 16:48

Please just ride this out, you've been conditioned to put her needs above your own, and to feel guilty as a default position.

Read you OP and think what you'd say if I had written it. She insults your child, and then tries to persuade you that your own experiences are false and it never happened? That's gaslighting - it's considered abusive.

I think it's harder to split up with a friend than it is a partner. If you decide to split from a boyfriend, or a spouse most people will think it fair enough - you shouldn't live with someone you're not sure of. It's enough not to want to anymore.

Do that with a friend and it's odd. I think because you don't live with them there's an idea that you can put up with anything for the sake of a friendly cup of tea etc etc. And that's wrong. If people are a bit of a pain you can put up with them, sure. If they're constantly keeping you on edge then you really don't have to see them. If they're plain nasty you don't have to ever speak to them again.

She's not a friend. Friends don't do the things you've described. She might be feeling hurt, but only because she's been called out and has lost a willing victim.

Re-reading your OP... the bit where she 'joked' that you must think she's using you... yeah that was a trap. You had to deny that she was to be polite if nothing else and then once you'd said that she could use you as much as she wanted. My friend did that all the time to me, said what I should have been thinking, to head off too much more thinking...

milksoffagain · 27/03/2019 12:19

You are doing SO well. Keep strong, keep going with the NC and in time you will look back and see the situation with the outsider's clarity that everyone on here does and with luck you might even wonder why you ever felt guilty! (It's because you are lovely but she really really isn't and that toxic dynamic won't change if you ever let her back in.) Your perceived dues are paid, you are even; her behaviour towards you means she doesn't deserve your friendship let alone your guilt. Your MH, partner and son deserve the very best version of you and that is exactly what you have set in motion. Dumping her is nothing but a positive. Go you, up up up and away!!! xxxxxxx

Chamomileteaplease · 27/03/2019 13:34

You need to block her so that you don't hear any more of her nonsense. Do it now! You have explained. there is nothing more to discuss. Any more contact will only hurt you.

See if your GP can arrange some counselling for your chronic low self esteem and people pleasing problems.

Concentrate on your boyfriend who sounds lovely. Put this horrible woman out of your head and believe that you deserve peace of mind.

It would be so sad if the stress from this horrible woman caused problems in your relationship with your boyfriend. Do not let that happen!

Borlotti · 27/03/2019 14:26

Chamomile if this experience has taught me anything it's taught me that I really need to seek help for my low self esteem.
I've spent my entire life being walked all over.
My partner really is lovely. Before him it was abusive relationship after abusive relationship.
I spent a long time single to try and break that pattern and change myself for the better.
I'd actually vowed to never have another relationship again, but my partner is different. He treats me with kindness and respect and my children too.
He feels that my friend has probably always been like this but that I always accept too much crap from people.
She's contacted him too regarding all this but he's told her that he's not willing to get involved.
I'm feeling a bit better now about it all. I still get pangs of guilt and feelings of sadness. I also still worry I've done the wrong thing, but am starting to remember other incidents and other behaviours of hers which form a bigger picture of her not being the person I thought she was.

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Happynow001 · 27/03/2019 14:54

Don't buckle now OP. Going back will just make the next breakup worse and make you feel terrible.

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