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Desperately seeking advice on situation with friend.

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Borlotti · 10/03/2019 20:58

I've name changed for this post as it's very personal to me.

I'm hoping for some advice on my situation please as I'm someone who struggles very much with boundaries and also have very low self esteem and I'm finding it hard to work out whether my feelings are justified or I'm just being an awful person.

I have a friend who I've known for over ten years. We became friends when I was going through a dreadful situation. I'd had a breakdown after a traumatic birth, following which my partner left me without warning when my daughter was only 10 months old. I spent some time in a mental health hospital and my friend supported me through this. It is something I've always been eternally grateful for but perhaps too much so.

Over the years I'd see my friend perhaps once every three months. She had a very busy life and would often cancel on me at short notice which I would find disappointing, but I would understand to a point. Sometimes I'd find it more upsetting than others as we'd arrange to meet, then she'd cancel just an hour before saying she wanted to do something with her family instead.

In the past two years I've been in a relationship with a wonderful man, before this I'd been single for a long time.
I invited her and her partner over to dinner a few times with us and every time she took the opportunity to tell my partner some of the embarrassing things I'd done whilst ill, ten years ago. I asked her to stop and explained how ill I was and how uncomfortable she was making me feel but she still carried on.

She invited us over for dinner twice, but cancelled one of the times, again just hours before.

In November I received a text message from her telling me her partner had left her.

I immediately rang her and told her I'd support her through everything and would be there for her.

Which gets me to the situation I'm in now.....

I have helped her to sort out benefits, accompanied her to benefits appointments, given her advice in regards to her job, how to claim child maintenance etc.

She began ringing most evenings and wanting to see me at least once a week if not more. If I was too busy (I have 2 disabled children and work from home) she'd start saying she was lonely and she hadn't seen me for ages, which would make me feel incredibly guilty and I would drop everything and go round.

She said to me that I must feel like she's using me as I now see her more in a week than I ever saw her in the last year.

Often when I have gone round she's then decided to sort out something which she's not bothered with. I've spent hours there with nothing to do whilst she's on the phone asking about how to claim council tax reductions etc when I'd already told her months ago exactly how to do it and told her I'd help her fill out the form.

She's also become incredibly bitchy and has made awful comments about her ex in front of her child.

I can understand how upset she is- he ran off with a younger woman and really has left her in the shit. I don't mind her venting to me and calling him every name under the sun, I just hate her doing this in front of her child. She's involving her child in a lot of the arguments between her and her ex and her child is going back and forth between the two of them passing on information that one's said about the other.

Sometimes when I've gone round she's said insulting things about my disabled son. She's ridiculed him for being unable to drive yet. He'd struggle with driving as his disability means that his legs and feet don't function properly. Also she's being quite hypocritical as her two oldest, able bodied children can't drive!

She's also laughed at my son as he hasn't had a sexual relationship yet and said he'll end up being a freaky 40 yer old virgin.

She then said that I should force my son to go away to university as going to the uni in our town and living at home will stop him from being independent.

My son struggles very much with independence. To be honest I'd never have imagined he'd even go to university and he has already achieved far more than I ever expected of him. She knows the nature of his disabilities and should know that actually he's already doing extremely well.

Then the latest thing has been that she has started talking to men online. Some of them married. I've told her that's what some men are like and that the minute they know you're single and vulnerable they'll be there. I told her I always blocked people like this.

She told me she doesn't care as she's not doing anything wrong and they're the ones who are messaging her.

She also started messaging a single man who was a childhood friend.
She talks to him all the time and he really likes her. He wants to start a relationship with her but she's told him she doesn't want that, then the next minute she'll get drunk and tell him she wants to sleep with him etc.

She met him a few weeks ago in his town and booked a hotel for them both to stay in together. I asked her why she'd done that as surely he'd be expecting more from it if they were sharing a room together.

Afterwards she told me she'd slept with him and that he wants them to be together. He's making plans to move to be nearer to her, but she says she'd be too embarrassed for her family and friends to see him, that she isn't attracted to him as he's bald, fat and wears glasses.

I told her I thought this was awful and that she was just leading him on and treating him abysmally.

She said she's lonely and that she enjoys talking to him and that she will tell him eventually that she's not interested but she doesn't want to just yet.

I feel like she's not the person I thought she was. I disagree with so many of her choices and every time I go round to see her I leave feeling miserable and deflated.

I dread my phone ringing or any texts or messages from her.

I've been ill again recently (mental health again) and this is all tying me up in knots as I'm wondering if I'm just feeling like this due to feeling depressed or if I actually aren't keen on her at all anymore?

I DO feel used right now. I feel like she expects too much from me and I feel she insults my family and upsets me when I do see her, however I also have this tremendous guilt due to the fact she helped me when I was ill.

I'm so sorry for the long post, I just didn't want to drip feed. I really hope someone can help me out as this is all making me feel incredibly anxious.

OP posts:
Thatnovembernight · 11/03/2019 06:57

I stopped reading at the point you said she was making disparaging comments about your disabled child. That is disgusting. I’m also not great with confrontation but in your shoes I’d be gradually reducing contact until it is nil.

Borlotti · 11/03/2019 07:17

Moving, no, I'm not religious, so there's no beliefs in guaranteeing a place in the afterlife! Grin

CantStopMeNow that's the stupid thing with me, I feel like I haven't done enough. You're correct in saying that I need to figure out what to do with my low self esteem, it's practically non existent. I also struggle massively with feeling guilty.

sprouts21 I'm sorry to hear you've experienced something similar in regards to embarrassing things being brought up about you.
When my friend kept going on about these things she even said to me "It's awful when someone keeps going on about something embarrassing you've done isn't it?"

This is what makes me even more confused as to why she did it! She's clearly aware that it was awful, but did it anyway....TWICE!

Thatnovembernight I'm dreadful at confrontation, it was definitely the comments about my son that have really brought all this to a head. I just don't understand why she feels the need to say things like that about him. I've never once said anything negative about her children's lives or choices and I never would.

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Dieu · 11/03/2019 15:24

There doesn't have to be confrontation though ... unless perhaps you live very close together. Once you've sent my Grin a 'moving on' text, you would just block her.

Marlena1 · 11/03/2019 15:38

She sounds very nasty. We have all done embarassing things that we cringe when we think about and don't need to be reminded of them years later. She has been paid back for being good to you (a long time ago!) and I don't think you owe her anything further. As for comments about your sonShock I can't believe someone would be so insensitive, everyone worries about their children, especially if they have extra challenges, there is NO excuse for her behaviour. You owe her nothing and she gives you nothing.

10IAR · 11/03/2019 15:45

A real friend wouldn't embarrass you deliberately or break your confidence. I've got friends from years ago that keep my embarrassing tales to themselves, as I do theirs.

Biggest thing that jumped off the page was the comments about your son. She's a disgusting person to speak about your son that way, especially given his disablity. That would be enough for me to cut contact entirely.

Most of all, you don't owe her anything, I very much get the impression she knows you feel you do and is pushing and pushing to see how far she can go.

Ghost her if you have to. She sounds horrid.

Miffymeow · 11/03/2019 16:11

OP you aren't weak, you are just a decent human being! She sounds awful. Just because you have invested a lot of time and effort in this friendship does not mean that you must continue to. Situations change, and in this case she has turned out to be a very unkind and rather controlling person and has been putting you and your family down a lot. This happened with one of my friends too unfortunately after about 15 years. It was breaking my heart the things she was doing and saying under the guise of friendship. I went NC, now much happier!!

Borlotti · 12/03/2019 17:50

Miffymeow I'm sorry to hear this has happened to you too.
I feel the same, in that it's breaking my heart the way she's behaving.
I just feel like there's something wrong with me.
I've not spoken to her for over two weeks now and haven't heard anything from her since I told her I had depression and needed time to myself.
I feel better already not hearing from her, but I just can't shift the feelings of guilt I have.

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Happynow001 · 12/03/2019 18:38

OP you sound like such a caring person. I'm sorry but your "friend" is not the same. You are her friend but she is definitely not yours. How could she be and treat you, your personal time and mental health, your children in the callous way she has?

If I were you I'd not pursue this relationship any further. She's not contacted you for a while so I'd leave it that way and focus more on your own life with your DP and children.

In fact I'd mute her on social media and block her on your phones and get done calm back on your life away from her. Good luck OP. 🌹

sprouts21 · 13/03/2019 01:28

Op you need to practice self care. The bottom line is this person is hurting you and despite being asked to stop she's continued to be emotionally abusive to you. And what she's doing absolutely is abusive.

I would really urge you to think a bit more about the support she offered at that time. What did it look like, what did she actually do to help you? Because there is a type of abusive person who is drawn to vulnerable people for their own gain and I'm not surprised to hear you met when you were having a tough time.

I also think you need to reframe the experience of being unwell. You describe being embarrassed and ashamed. I too had a traumatic delivery and a divorce soon after. I was a mess and did not seek help, I did things I'm not proud of. I don't think you would dream of telling me I should be embarrassed or ashamed. Be kinder to yourself.

Borlotti · 13/03/2019 11:46

Sprouts would you really class it as abusive?
I suppose I'm confused because in our 10 years plus of friendship, I would only see her once every 3 months and it's only recently that more of the nasty comments have been surfacing.

Before now it didn't happen.

As I said, she did let me down a lot before now when we'd arranged to meet up and she would just cancel.

When she offered me support when I was ill, she'd come round and see me, we'd take our children to playgroup together, we'd occasionally talk on the phone.

And, no, I would't tell you, that you should be ashamed. I actually feel for you as I know what it's like to go through that. I just seem unable to offer myself the same kind of understanding.

She has actually contacted me- yesterday at midnight she text me saying "I'm missing you".

I haven't replied. I wouldn't know what to say or what to do, but it's given me that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach again.

OP posts:
sprouts21 · 13/03/2019 16:30

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/signs-your-friend-is-a-narcissist_n_5b311e0ae4b00295f15f716e

Belittling is an abusive behaviour regardless of who's doing it.

www.domesticshelters.org/articles/identifying-abuse/the-big-deal-about-belittling

Your freind is an abuser and a manipulator. She is abusing you. She is abusing the man she is seeing. She is severely emotionally abusing her child by involving them in her break up. None of her behaviour is in any way normal.

If you can't face telling her freeze her out. You're not obliged to support someone who is being cruel to you. She's an arsehole like my ex freind.

sprouts21 · 13/03/2019 16:43

About her visiting you and popping to playgroup while you were ill. Its actually not that big a deal, it's a normal thing that friends do. She didn't give you a kidney. Remember that she also benefited from that friendship. She benefited from having someone nice to spend time with.

Borlotti · 25/03/2019 17:53

Well I did it!
I sent a message very similar to the one Dieu suggested.
She'd said more things that really upset me and left me feeling anxious and ill, so I decided enough was enough.
I now feel incredibly anxious and even more sick and worrying I did the wrong thing Sad

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BigFatBloomers · 25/03/2019 20:04

Oh well done Borlotti
I've just read your thread and that definitely sounds like the right move. She doesn't sound like a nice person.
I'm sure your DH agrees too. You have to put yourself and your family first.

Allfednonedead · 25/03/2019 20:16

I’ve just read the whole thread and want to shout ‘Hurrah!’ at the update. She’s no friend.

Hopefully with her out of your life, your self-esteem will start to recover. Even if she wasn’t the cause of the problem, she clearly was making things worse.

Well done!

HollowTalk · 25/03/2019 20:23

She's a disgrace. I would never ever forgive anyone who criticised my children in that way. I'd have to walk out of the room before I slapped her. And for her to talk about your illness like that - you know she made a complete show of herself. It didn't reflect badly on you, but on her.

You've done more than enough to balance the scales. Don't talk to her again.

Borlotti · 25/03/2019 20:33

She's now texting me telling me how upset she is and that she never said anything about my son.
She's told me she's been crying her eyes out and that I'm the best friend she ever had.
I feel absolutely wretched.
I feel so guilty and awful.
I never wanted to hurt her.

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BigFatBloomers · 25/03/2019 20:46

Don't feel guilty. She is the one who is brought this about. She is just sad she can push you around anymore.

minou123 · 25/03/2019 20:51

You absolutley did the right thing. Sometimes you need to make sure your own mental health is well.

Based from what you have written and personal experiance, I think she may be a little jealous. I may be wrong, but I have experiance this before. Jealousy can bring out horrible traits in people. I think she views your life as perfect and hers is not going well. Instead of being a kind, humble person, she is trying to bring you down to make herself feel better.

I had a relative who was great at this. In a crisis, she was the best person, she helped me and gave me so much support. However, when life started to go right for me, she turned and said the most horriblest things ever.

As for her bad behaviour, the things she said and how she is treating this man, I suspect she has always been like this, but you probably didn't notice because of your own turmoil. I bet if you ask mutal friends, or people that know her, they probably have lots of stories about her.

whatisheupto · 25/03/2019 20:59

She sounds awful she's a manipulative bully. Leave her!

elfycat · 25/03/2019 21:10

I made a friend when I was at a low point (military fiancée in a war zone) and I ended up in a similar situation. It was an abusive relationship. My (by then) DH kept pointing out I'd never put up with that behaviour from him. It didn't help that I was borderline PND and she tipped me over. She used that vulnerability too.

She seemed to create drama, and make deliberately bad choices that somehow I just had to help her with. I'd give her advice and she'd never follow any of it up. I'd help her with housing, finances, childcare, anything. I was never thanked and somehow I was made to feel like I was the bad friend who never did enough for her.

The lesson I learned is that any friend you make when you are vulnerable should be assessed carefully later. Abusers know how to pick their victims. In her case she pretty much ticks off every single point of a covert-narcissist.

You need to walk away. No conversations, nothing. I tried a more gentle distancing and that just gave her the opportunity to point out how evil I was being to her. I just stopped acknowledging her (our DC are at the same school). You can't reason with unreasonable people and your peace of mind is your only concern here. Do not reply to any messages. Delete and block her.

I know my ExnotFriend told a load of people how awful I'd been to her, but I didn't bitch in return and I didn't lose as many mutual friends as I feared I would. Leave with dignity. This woman isn't acting like a friend, because she isn't. You owe her nothing.

cstaff · 25/03/2019 21:10

Just read your thread tonight and whilst it is sad to cut a friend out of your life, in this case it was the right thing to do. She is feeling bad for herself, certainly not for you or the loss of you as a friend. It will take time but in the long run you will be better off and will feel better about yourself. Look after yourself OP Flowers

Happynow001 · 25/03/2019 23:02

Do not reply to any messages. Delete and block her.

What Elfycat said.

Stay strong OP. Life goes too quickly to put up with such negative people.

SnapesGreasyHair · 25/03/2019 23:10

Get rid of the nasty self centred cow. You've sent the message, now stand by your convictions and block her.

Do it for your son. He deserves having you in his corner, standing up for him.

She's a nasty piece of work. Cut her loose before her attitudes start rubbing off on you

DishingOutDone · 25/03/2019 23:17

OP you are being manipulated and gaslighted; if this was your partner we'd all be saying LTB. put your own health and family first, otherwise she will bleed you dry - run in the opposite direction very fast; if you can't do it for yourself do it for your kids.

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