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Married coworker: flirting or friendly banter? (Please help!)

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Brunette0210 · 02/03/2019 18:17

Hi, I’m in need of some help as this is driving me crazy. I don’t know if my married coworker is flirting with me, or if it’s just friendly banter and I’m just imagining it. It leaves me not knowing what to think and it’s driving me insane!

Last year I (27F) changed jobs to a new office. Here I work in a small team including a colleague (34M) who I get on well with. I’m single and he is married, with a 7 year old daughter. He’s my type physically, and I look ‘like a hotter version of his wife’ (not my words, another colleague said it jokingly) so I’m probably his. We get on really well, same sense of humour, similar beliefs, taste in music, etc. We just really ‘click’.

Anyway, over the year I have admittedly started to develop feelings for him. I know this is wrong and I never thought I’d be in this situation. I’ve tried not to like him, but we spend 9-5 5 days a week in the same team, working closely together, even sat next to each other. I don’t think it’s all me that has just developed this crush either... He seems to feel the same way, but I’m not sure which is why I’m posting this question.

It started to intensify when he started finding reasons to talk to me at work (ANY excuse - things he could find out himself or from others). When I go for lunch (we can pick what time), he gets up 5 minutes after to go for lunch and sits by me. I arrive later to work and leave later - he has changed his hours to do the same. Which also means we do the long walk from the car park to our office in and out of work together every day, spending more time together. It also means we drive the same way home together too for about 30 miles, following each other. We also end up staying very late - until about 6.30pm just chatting in the car park for an extra hour.

In our office, we all have each other’s phone numbers as we have a group chat. One day soon after I started, he made some excuse to start a separate chat with me and since then we talk more and more via text after work. We now text almost every night, on and off all night. We regularly text until 3am, and he texts me a lot more at night. I’ve tried to stop texting him as much (as I know all this is wrong with him being married), but he nearly always initiates the texts. He then double texts me if I don’t reply for a while to keep the conversation going. When it gets really late, he then doesn’t reply to ensure he can continue the conversation the next day. He also asks me a lot of questions, so I have to reply to answer them.

He’s a really nice guy and thoughtful, and will remember the smallest detail I mention to him. He seems to have a genuine interest in my life. Even silly things like if I mention I’m getting my hair cut at the weekend, he will text me on the day and say ‘you were getting your hair cut today weren’t you - let’s see some photos then!’.

Therefore, overall although he is ‘my type’, I originally thought ‘don’t go there - he’s married’. But I feel like he’s given me these signs that he’s interested, and has talked to me a lot and intensified the relationship, which is why I now have developed these feelings. For example, I feel like a guy wouldn’t be that interested in what a female coworker’s hair looks like, unless he sort of fancied them - it’s more what you would ask your girlfriend. And why does he stay late at work every night just to stand and chat to me, instead of going home to his wife and daughter? He even says his dinner is always cold when he gets in, but then he will still stay late and talk. When he and his wife went on a weekend away for their anniversary, I purposely didn’t text. But he initiated a conversation and kept texting me.

He is a nice guy and I wouldn’t think he would cheat on his wife. He’s never said let’s meet up or tried to kiss me or anything, and I’d never do that. However, I feel like he is flirting and stringing me along. I’m putting my life on hold as I do like him, secretly hoping it could work. But then I think, am I just imagining all of this - is it just him being friendly and a nice guy?

Him and his wife don’t seem well suited from what he has said. She got pregnant when they were young (early 20s) and it sounds like it sort of trapped him as he’s a nice guys and wouldn’t have wanted to leave her on her own. She then quit work to look after the child full time, which I know annoys him as it results in money troubles for them when she could easily work.

I also don’t want to be stuck in this ‘flirtation’ cycle, where he flirts all day at work with me, kinda like I’m his ‘work wife’, then goes home to the security of his house and family, then texts me when she’s not looking or has gone to bed. He then gets the best of both worlds. All the while, I’m tied up on him and not interested in any other guys that give me attention. I’ve tried hard not to like him but it’s difficult as we spend so much time together at work. I’ve never felt a bond as strong as I feel our’s is.

I wouldn’t want to confront him about this as it would make it very awkward at work. I feel it should come from him, as he is the married one.

I’m sorry this is a long story, but I wanted to give all the details to help you hopefully help me with an answer! I do like him, even though I know I shouldn’t. I don’t know if he likes me though, or if this is all just in my head? And if he does, would he really leave his wife? Thanks for any responses x

OP posts:
AFistfulofDolores1 · 03/03/2019 21:55

Why do you need permission to have an affair, OP?

More to the point: why are you seeking that permission out in a forum you know only too well will tell you "NO"?

Is it so you can flounce into his arms? Rebel against authority? Show your mummy you're all grown up now?

Thought so.

Orange6904 · 03/03/2019 21:58

No-one told op to go for this true romance so she's disappeared.

scissorsandpen · 03/03/2019 22:30

It’s was every day sitting in the car park for an hour - I agree you can definitely be friends with co workers of the opposite sex and go out after work or during
Lunch on occasion and as you say :-)

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/03/2019 22:36

OP, do you think this man is posting on a forum, agonising about you and how you feel about him? No. He isn't. He's home, with his wife and children.

I agree with pp, you do sound very arrogant and just wanting your own ego stroked. I can't see you being successful with that here.

Sorry, but you sound very self-absorbed and a bit unsavoury, just as much as he is.

Bigblue1970 · 03/03/2019 22:45

OP, if you had a partner and he was doing to you what this scumbag is doing to his wife would you be ok with it? Would you question if its just an innocent friendship or would you suspect there is more to it? Surely you have a brain in your head to see it's an affair you and dickwad are involved in!

Imstickingwiththisone · 03/03/2019 23:01

Op what do you mean stringing you along? Do you mean you're hoping he will leave his wife and then you can see what happens between you two then? Or that if he fancied an affair you'd be interested? If it's the former then back off and move on, if he's not happy in his relationship then he can separate he shouldn't need egging on or a prize. If it's the latter then you should rethink and consider the fall out from it.

If it's none of these then he's not stringing you along! You are still engaging in an unhealthy relationship with a married man though. You work 8 hours together, eat lunch together, privately chat in the carpark for an hour and then text until 3am. That's a ridiculous amount of time and I bet there are tons of rumours about you two already.

ConstantStruggler · 03/03/2019 23:12

I wasnt going to post... but heck...
He's had 7 years since the birth of his daughter and i guess 8 since his wife "trapped" him. Do you really think you're the first and/or only one he's tried this with....?

VanGoghsDog · 03/03/2019 23:21

It doesn't matter if you call it flirting or not, it's way over the top behaviour with any work colleague, let alone one who is married.

Just stop it.

Graphista · 03/03/2019 23:28

"Unfortunately it looks like 134 messages have gone on deaf ears. She doesn’t give a damn about the pain she is going to cause to an entire family."

Yep you're probably right, she's gonna demonise the poor wife in her mind (but how do you justify such shitty treatment of a 7 year old girl op?!) and justify her actions and kid herself it's a star crossed lovers story instead of the sleazy, common affair it is.

Crunchymum · 03/03/2019 23:34

If he's 34 and has a 7yo, then he wasn't "early 20's" when he had his child was he? Or can you not count OP?????

MsDogLady · 04/03/2019 00:02

We now text almost every night, on and off all night. We regularly text until 3 am....

You know that he is not texting you until 3:00 because you are ‘friends.’ You are actively involved in an emotional affair, and he is grooming you to segue into physical involvement.

Being deliberately obtuse to manipulate others is unattractive, OP.

Teapot1984 · 04/03/2019 00:06

OP Please remember there are 2 sides to every story.

There's also a saying "if he can cheat with you,he can cheat on you".

Don't encourage him and step away from the situation as you're likely to be the one who'll have to live with the consequences,when caught out.

Most married men go grovelling to their "horrible wive's who don't understand them" for a second chance when caught cheating and it often turns the wive's actually lovely.

And then there's the impact it'll have on your job as well as you'll be painted as a home wrecker at work and I doubt the two of you would be able to continue to work together.

You're essentially stroking his ego.

Go find a single man who's worthy of you.

2018anewstart · 04/03/2019 00:25

I can't believe there are woman like this who try to excuse this man's behaviour. He is married! If he is texting until 3am in the morning he sounds like a right sleaze so I really hope things do work out for the two of you so the lovely wife back home has the chance of meeting someone she deserves.

sagradafamiliar · 04/03/2019 01:31

Of course he isn't just being 'friendly'. Are you texting your mates into the early hours being friendly? Is he texting your other colleagues until the early hours, being friendly?
One of you will be looking for a new job soon anyway, as soon as someone else in the office takes pity enough on the wife and tells her. Don't for one minute think you're not the subject of gossip, with your timed lunchbreaks and car park chats.
Reading your OP, I thought you were just another deluded sap but by paragraph 9 you were showing your true colours. By paragraph 10, you think you're on some kind of level with his wife where you're competing for his attention.
If it wasn't you, it would be someone else. Process that.

Cornish83 · 04/03/2019 02:06

Not sure why someone said OP deserves better? OP is an absolute disgrace and is the lowest of the low.
I hope you get exposed as what you really are to the whole office and nobody ever trusts or speaks to you again.
I hope his wife finds your texts and tracks you down and spends an hour with you after work and doesn’t bother calling an ambulance after.

me88 · 04/03/2019 02:32

Going to be controversial here, but what if yes, he did marry too young, and yes, he is unhappy, and yes, he does have feelings for OP?

My dad and stepmom have been married for 22 years and are literally made for each other. Only problem is they found each other a little later than ideal, both had 9yo daughters and both married and miserable. Neither of them cheated (as far as I know) but they did admit their feelings for each other and then got on and do something about it that made them both happy. My dad asked me on my wedding day whether I wished he had stayed with my mum - absolutely not. Looking at them now they clearly grew into completely different people and would have spent their lives being miserable for my sake.

OP, I do think it's gone on long enough now that you can ask him to go for a drink and a chat and encourage an open dialogue. You obviously need to be prepared that at this point, he might admit feelings but run scared as staying with his wife may be the "easy option". I get that too. But life is too short to keep wondering and miss out on something that could be perfect.

As for the rest of you lot, this is meant to be a supportive environment. While the actual message you are trying to say to OP is usually fine, some of you really need to tone down how you say things. quite frankly the vast majority of you are keyboard warriors who sit here waiting for someone to ask something controversial so you can rip them to shreds as it makes you feel better about yourselves. You are bullies.

Dfattestcat · 04/03/2019 02:38

Fuck him and see.

Gaolbird · 04/03/2019 02:46

Ffs, what is wrong with some ppl?
27 is not too young to know what decent, respectful behavior is. Got to this thread late and everyone has said it already.
Just grow up.
Or stop deliberately winding up ppl who've suffered due to the pathetic behavior you're displaying, OP.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 04/03/2019 02:55

What do you like more: your paycheck or insincere flattery?

HannahW29 · 04/03/2019 03:02

I sympathise with you OP as I have been in this situation with a man who wasn't married but had been in a long term relationship and had a 9 year old DD, only I was a lot younger than him!

To answer your question of whether it sounds like flirting or just being friendly, I'd say regardless of whether it's been anything sexual/intimate, I'd say texting another woman every night at 3am when you're in bed next to your wife is more than just friendly chat. The talking late in the car park and taking lunch at the same time as you etc could just be classed as friendly and genuine but messaging that late and every night and double texting if you haven't replied is definitely more than that.

Regardless of whether he would "actually cheat on his wife" or not is irrelevant, looking at it from her point of view, if that was my partner that was constantly late home when I was cooking dinner every night because he was talking to someone and then he was texting her all night, up until 3am when we were in bed and especially when we were away for our anniversary, I would already class that as cheating and I would be leaving him.

Also OP, I know it's hard because you feel such a strong bond with him but I would say to try your best to stay well away, at the end of all this, it's going to be you that ends up hurt. They're always good at making you feel special and wanted and they seem like great guys but anybody that can do that to their wife and child aren't great guys and even if it worked out between the two of you, he would eventually do it again to you too.

As I say though, I'm not judging you at all because I've been in the same situation and understand how difficult it can be! But to answer your question, it is definitely more than just being friendly, you should talk to him about it or nip it in the bud to stop it from carrying on because your feelings will just get deeper while he is at home playing happy families! X

NigellaAwesome · 04/03/2019 08:29

Perhaps the best person to decide if it is flirting or friendly banter is your colleague's wife. What do you honestly think she would make of this situation if she knew it all?

And there is your answer.

CatandtheFiddle · 04/03/2019 08:50

but what I was asking is not if you think this is right or wrong, I’m asking if you think this is flirting or just being friendly

Really, OP really That is all you're thinking about? Gosh.

It really does not matter what his behaviour is.

It is inappropriate for the work place.

It is inappropriate for a married man.

Just dial it back, be professional. And just grow up, for heaven's sake.

Plahster · 04/03/2019 08:56

The reason that opinions about cheating are harsher on a message board than those spoken in real life is simple. In real life people are careful what they say lest it cause trouble for them (even if they're right), while message boards allow people to say what they really think.

OP, this is what the polite smilers and nodders are really thinking.

SenoritaViva · 04/03/2019 20:26

To answer your question, yes this is flirting. What everyone is trying to tell you is that this flirting is INAPPROPRIATE.

I met with a friend most nights after work when we were young (mostly for beer), but we were both young and didn’t have people we were letting down at home. Friends would organise something and let their wife know what they were doing as well as being open and honest about it, not leave their tea to get cold. What do you think his line is ‘working again late tonight love...’

Few normal friends text till 3am. Most families just don’t work like that.

Go after him if that’s what you’re really asking, but there are many words of warning on here...

hammeringinmyhead · 04/03/2019 21:45

Even if he did leave his wife, do you really want to be the ex-OW with a stroppy preteen stepdaughter who hates you yet stays in your house every other weekend and whom his mother doesn't really speak to because you were complicit in breaking up the family? Shame on you.

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