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Married coworker: flirting or friendly banter? (Please help!)

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Brunette0210 · 02/03/2019 18:17

Hi, I’m in need of some help as this is driving me crazy. I don’t know if my married coworker is flirting with me, or if it’s just friendly banter and I’m just imagining it. It leaves me not knowing what to think and it’s driving me insane!

Last year I (27F) changed jobs to a new office. Here I work in a small team including a colleague (34M) who I get on well with. I’m single and he is married, with a 7 year old daughter. He’s my type physically, and I look ‘like a hotter version of his wife’ (not my words, another colleague said it jokingly) so I’m probably his. We get on really well, same sense of humour, similar beliefs, taste in music, etc. We just really ‘click’.

Anyway, over the year I have admittedly started to develop feelings for him. I know this is wrong and I never thought I’d be in this situation. I’ve tried not to like him, but we spend 9-5 5 days a week in the same team, working closely together, even sat next to each other. I don’t think it’s all me that has just developed this crush either... He seems to feel the same way, but I’m not sure which is why I’m posting this question.

It started to intensify when he started finding reasons to talk to me at work (ANY excuse - things he could find out himself or from others). When I go for lunch (we can pick what time), he gets up 5 minutes after to go for lunch and sits by me. I arrive later to work and leave later - he has changed his hours to do the same. Which also means we do the long walk from the car park to our office in and out of work together every day, spending more time together. It also means we drive the same way home together too for about 30 miles, following each other. We also end up staying very late - until about 6.30pm just chatting in the car park for an extra hour.

In our office, we all have each other’s phone numbers as we have a group chat. One day soon after I started, he made some excuse to start a separate chat with me and since then we talk more and more via text after work. We now text almost every night, on and off all night. We regularly text until 3am, and he texts me a lot more at night. I’ve tried to stop texting him as much (as I know all this is wrong with him being married), but he nearly always initiates the texts. He then double texts me if I don’t reply for a while to keep the conversation going. When it gets really late, he then doesn’t reply to ensure he can continue the conversation the next day. He also asks me a lot of questions, so I have to reply to answer them.

He’s a really nice guy and thoughtful, and will remember the smallest detail I mention to him. He seems to have a genuine interest in my life. Even silly things like if I mention I’m getting my hair cut at the weekend, he will text me on the day and say ‘you were getting your hair cut today weren’t you - let’s see some photos then!’.

Therefore, overall although he is ‘my type’, I originally thought ‘don’t go there - he’s married’. But I feel like he’s given me these signs that he’s interested, and has talked to me a lot and intensified the relationship, which is why I now have developed these feelings. For example, I feel like a guy wouldn’t be that interested in what a female coworker’s hair looks like, unless he sort of fancied them - it’s more what you would ask your girlfriend. And why does he stay late at work every night just to stand and chat to me, instead of going home to his wife and daughter? He even says his dinner is always cold when he gets in, but then he will still stay late and talk. When he and his wife went on a weekend away for their anniversary, I purposely didn’t text. But he initiated a conversation and kept texting me.

He is a nice guy and I wouldn’t think he would cheat on his wife. He’s never said let’s meet up or tried to kiss me or anything, and I’d never do that. However, I feel like he is flirting and stringing me along. I’m putting my life on hold as I do like him, secretly hoping it could work. But then I think, am I just imagining all of this - is it just him being friendly and a nice guy?

Him and his wife don’t seem well suited from what he has said. She got pregnant when they were young (early 20s) and it sounds like it sort of trapped him as he’s a nice guys and wouldn’t have wanted to leave her on her own. She then quit work to look after the child full time, which I know annoys him as it results in money troubles for them when she could easily work.

I also don’t want to be stuck in this ‘flirtation’ cycle, where he flirts all day at work with me, kinda like I’m his ‘work wife’, then goes home to the security of his house and family, then texts me when she’s not looking or has gone to bed. He then gets the best of both worlds. All the while, I’m tied up on him and not interested in any other guys that give me attention. I’ve tried hard not to like him but it’s difficult as we spend so much time together at work. I’ve never felt a bond as strong as I feel our’s is.

I wouldn’t want to confront him about this as it would make it very awkward at work. I feel it should come from him, as he is the married one.

I’m sorry this is a long story, but I wanted to give all the details to help you hopefully help me with an answer! I do like him, even though I know I shouldn’t. I don’t know if he likes me though, or if this is all just in my head? And if he does, would he really leave his wife? Thanks for any responses x

OP posts:
LunchBoxPolice · 02/03/2019 20:07

LuckyLou- only if you look like a hotter version of me

Graphista · 02/03/2019 20:09

For fucks sake really? Another one of these?

LEAVE HIM ALONE!

Don't spend an hour talking to him after work in the car park, don't text him till 3am and stop even THINKING About "does he fancy me?" Because it's clear he does but YOU have a responsibility in this mess too!

You're having an emotional affair with a married man which is frankly disgusting!

It DOESN'T MATTER if he initiates YOU end it! Delete the group chat that is just the 2 of you, ONLY communicate about work matters and ONLY discuss them outside work hours if GENUINELY absolutely essential (which I strongly doubt it ever is!)

Make arrangements at work to move the office around so you're not sat together and TELL him to leave you alone at lunchtimes!

I'll lay odds most of us in our younger years experienced married men taking the piss I certainly did, but you DON'T play up to it! You act professionally and make the boundaries clear! And if necessary you tell him to quit being a sleaze! Tell him you're not interested in married men and to leave you alone!

"Him and his wife don’t seem well suited from what he has said" in other words "my wife doesn't understand me"? Oh puhlease!!! Grow up!

"She got pregnant when they were young (early 20s) and it sounds like it sort of trapped him" oh ffs! NO! THEY had a child when THEY were young - it takes 2 to tango!! She didn't get pregnant alone. This is ALSO a common ploy by cheating arses "she trapped me into marriage by getting pregnant" bollocks! The child is 7 yea? Which you said EARLIER IN THE SAME POST he's 34 which means he was 27 when the child was born - hardly early 20's and hardly unlikely to have been a PLANNED child!

"She then quit work to look after the child full time, which I know annoys him"

Fucking hell!

A that is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS he had NO right even mentioning this to you

B I HIGHLY doubt it doesn't suit him just fine that she's a sahm! And that it was a JOINT decision

"And if he does, would he really leave his wife?" NO! They hardly ever do many of those that CLAIM they did were thrown out when the wife discovered the affair! And even IF he did he would cheat on you too!

Grow up, get a clue, act professionally (because you ARE risking your JOB with this crap too, it's rarely the usually more senior man that's asked to leave if the problems affect both your work) and tell him to BACK THE FUCK OFF!

I'd bet good money you AREN'T the first one he's done this with, you AREN'T the only person outside the marriage he's flirting with even now and he DOESN'T see you as anything but a possible easy lay!

"Married man wants extra curricular sex. Butters up woman target at work. Feeds her bullshit lies about how he and the wife don't get on and don't have sex anymore. Young woman falls for it. They shag for a bit. Then the woman starts to get feelings. Guy thinks "oh fuck" and dumps her. Rinse and repeat." Yep! Add "woman's reputation at work is trashed (even more likely to happen if you won't accept the dumping quietly, he'll start telling your bosses about all the mistakes you made and laughed about with him, he'll make out YOU pursued HIM - next thing you know you're being asked to resign in exchange for a reference!) SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. Several hundred times

And unlike some on the thread I'm not convinced you're "better than this" either. If you were it wouldn't have reached the point it has.

Neither of you are being good people and it needs to STOP NOW!

It's not only a huge betrayal of this mans WIFE and 7 YEAR OLD CHILD but you're also both of you dragging your colleagues into this sleaze fest!

Get some self respect and professional ethics and grow up!

My 18 year old dd (who was betrayed by HER father similarly at the age of 2 and is STILL dealing with the consequences of how that feels) knows better than this! She won't even date won't even kiss a guy a friend of hers had a relationship with. She's had guys in long term relationships who are even fathers crack on to her and you know what she does? Tells them to quit being creeps! And she's 9 years younger than you!

My ex told the ow we weren't sleeping together (we were & were discussing 2nd baby options), that I had "forced" him into marriage (so far from the truth he had to persuade me), that I'd cheated (not true). When I had enough evidence + there was an incident which brought things to a head I kicked him out. You know what he spent the next few weeks doing? BEGGING my forgiveness and to take him back, literally on his knees at one point. Turned out she was pregnant, the DAY she told him? He was again BEGGING me to help him "out of this mess" his words! Sobbing crying he said that "she was never meant to be serious it was only ever meant to be a bit of fun"

I also learned he begged her in public to abort. In the office!

They're now married (more fool her) I have it on VERY good authority they are both utterly miserable, there's 5 more kids in the mess, he's still cheating on her repeatedly, she kicks him out, the thrill of the affair passes and he begs to come back and she takes him back. At various points she has BANNED him from having a smart phone, mobile phone at all, sm accounts, travelling to and from work without her in vain attempts to prevent the cheating.

He propositioned ME the DAY before THEIR wedding!

That is the kind of man you're dealing with.

GirlOnIt · 02/03/2019 20:09

So he stands chatting in the car park with you for a hour every night? A hour he could be spending with his daughter?
Maybe it's because I've got a waste of space for a father so know how it feels. But honestly Op I couldn't think of a bigger turn off.

I get people can and do fall out of love (although why not just leave). I can even get people wanting a bit of fun and excitement on the side (would never do it myself but I get how it happens). I can't get why or how a parent would choose to miss out on time with their child every night.
Surely by the time he's home it's pretty much her bedtime?

But that's me Op. Maybe you don't plan on ever having children or if you do you don't care if their father is a useless, selfish, uninvolved parent (if that's the case I could give you my dads number if you like).

Stay away Op and find someone else. There's what more than 7 billion people in the world, pretty sure you could find someone who isn't someone else's husband.

SonataDentata · 02/03/2019 20:14

You regularly talk until 3am?! Jesus, you need to find a more demanding job or some hobbies! Actually, a new job might not be a bad idea. You can bet your life that your other colleagues will have noticed the flirtation and will be gossiping behind your back. Not a good look.

Crazyfrog007 · 02/03/2019 20:20

Actually I think you're both fucking disgusting. You know he's married yet you keep returning texts, staying till 6.30, believing the shit that his wife trapped him. Are you having a laugh? This is already an emotional affair.

Yes, he's the one with the wife and you owe her nothing but if you have any shred of dignity, you'll stop being such a twat and back off.

I'm only a couple of years older than you and I'm not nieve enough to be acting the way you are. No excuses. Sort yourself out.

NigellaAwesome · 02/03/2019 20:22

Yuk.

I'd fucking kill my DH if I thought he was discussing our private lives with some stupid naive woman in work.

Thankfully, my DH isn't a sleazy ball bag like the one you have latched on to.

I've seen this so many times work - sexual predator starts grooming woman with vulnerabilities - low self esteem, bad marriage, whatever - lovely guy to confide in, gets them, he confides about his bad marriage too, texts getting flirtier and flirtier. Then he asks for it to go further. They usually have a couple on the go, just incase one doesn't work out.

Are you worried about how you can extricate yourself from this emotional affair without it impacting on your work?

LuckyLou7 · 02/03/2019 20:24

Enrich your life. Find new friends. Take up some hobbies. Join a reading group. Start cycling or running or both. Get busy. Make no time for this sleazy married man. Dash off from work to your next assignment, don't respond to his texts outside work, plough your emotional energy into being a better you and forget this awful man.

Hellohappy · 02/03/2019 20:25

What do you think op?

Isth · 02/03/2019 20:26

Oh god, this is awful to read, it’s all such a cliche. Take control of this ffs Op, this will not end well.

GirlOnIt · 02/03/2019 20:31

I dong mean this in nasty way Op. I've never been cheated on so I'm not coming at it from that place either.

But I'm a bit younger than you and I've had the sleazy. married co workers giving me a bit of attention. Thing is I've got good self esteem and I know I'm worth far more than scraps of attention from a married man so they've been put in their place sharpish! The only women I know who ended up in your position are ones who are desperate for male attention and want to feel wanted. I'm not saying that's you. But you mentioned being a hotter version of his wife and that's a recurring theme I've noticed in ow they feel like the married man choosing them means they're better than the wife.
I don't know to me it's the opposite, but then I've never been good at being second place.

Hanab · 02/03/2019 20:37

Op genuine question ...

Are you desperate for attention?

Let him leave his wife before you engage in any form of futher communication accept for work .
Try thinking about what you 2 are doing from the wifes perspective ... I can assure you that you would not even for a split second think this would be acceptable ..

Step away OP .. don’t be part/course of/ for a broken marriage

Pishogue · 02/03/2019 20:37

He’s flirting with you, yes, but not because he’s contemplating ending his marriage because you are his Great Love, but because he’s a sleaze imagining getting your knickers down in the car park before he goes home to his dinner.

It’s completely irrelevant whether he ‘likes’ you or not. He doesn’t have the right to ‘like’ you.

ChairPoseKills · 02/03/2019 20:44

What a load of old tripe.

To be filed under 'FICTION'

AmIOTTconcerned · 02/03/2019 20:45

Don't be flattered that he's spending an extra hour talking to you. See this as an hour of a father neglecting his family. His poor daughter. Not much of a catch now is he? Although I'm sure you still think he is. He has really made your head double in size hasn't he. Hotter version of his wife. Wow.

Oh and he would have been 27 when he had a child. Not exactly young. And fucking trapped? Don't be so foolish OP.

lanclass1 · 02/03/2019 20:54

Been there! Could have written the beginning of your post. Married man, I was single and we clicked so unbelievably well. He found a reason to message me privately and slowly worked his way in until we were texting regularly. He started the whole 'my marriage is struggling' and saying they married too young etc (whilst still jetting off on holidays with his wife and posting their happy selfies all over social media) I had been in an abusive relationship for years previously and I think seeing him as this amazing perfect guy was what allowed me to even entertain it for as long as I did- although it never got to the stage yours did with hanging out in the car park etc Anyway one time he text me at 4am after a night out and I knew his wife was working away that weekend - it was that moment that I came to my senses. It was clear he had been building up to an affair and although I guess deep down I probably knew that, when he actually went for it I was appalled at myself for even getting to that stage. I replied a big message to him saying we should no longer speak outside of work. I blocked him on social media and despite it being 5 years ago I still feel disgusted in myself for getting reeled in. Worst part? He moved on to another woman in my department not long after. Please wise up, OP

Camellia5 · 02/03/2019 20:56

He's not a nice man OP. What ever about his wife, a nice man doesn't spend an extra hour away from his 7yo child in the evenings.
A decent man and dad would be rushing home to her.
A nice man doesn't text another woman, asking her for pictures, until 3am, whilst his wife is asleep beside him probably after having sex with her

My guess is that you know that though. You know he's an arsehole, but you're as complicit in it, which makes you one too. 27 isn't 17, ffs, I had kids myself at 27. I don't fall for the naive, innocent young woman act. Grow up!

What did you actually want us to say? Confused

MrsBartlettforthewin · 02/03/2019 21:01

Nice guys don't flirt with random women at work when they have a wife and child at home.

OP we is using you to stroke his ego. Shut it down now! Don't sit with him. Don't entertain this a minute longer. Block his number if you need to but make it clear that this is stopping now.

lanclass1 · 02/03/2019 21:03

Also thought I would add that, like you, I truly thought he was one of life's 'nice guys'. We stopped being friendly in work and a few years on I got married and just after my wedding someone congratulated me infront of him and he said to me 'it's so weird that you got married! Didn't think that would ever happen'

The nice guy thing is part of the act along with remembering all the little things you say to appear attentive. It's all textbook married work creep

Imagine2019 · 02/03/2019 21:23

So he’s made out (or you think) his wife trapped him by having his baby and she quit her job because she’s lazy and could easily work? No, it sounds like they both agreed she should be a stay at home parent to avoid extortionate child care fees. He isn’t trapped he could leave any time he wants.
He’s not a “nice guy” as you keep saying because he’s essentially having an emotional affair with you behind his wife’s back. If he was a decent guy he would leave his wife as he clearly doesn’t love her to be carrying on like a teenager behind her back.
You are very very naive if you believe this person is a “nice guy”, if he can do this do his wife and mother of his child he can do a lot worse to you trust me on that one.
Also have some self respect and stop going after a married man.

RunSweatLaughAndLatte · 02/03/2019 21:36

OP, I've been in this situation reversed (i.e. I'm the engaged one with a child and the male colleague was single) and we both had feelings for each other. It was the biggest nightmare ever. He's leaving his job after a decade working there and I've had to get a job in a different department, there were rumours about an affair even though it didn't become physical and we knew we couldn't let it escalate anymore, and I was suicidal because I was so ashamed and guilty. Don't do it to either of you.

Bigblue1970 · 02/03/2019 21:42

Unbelievable. I was the wife in this situation. Not knowing my husband was spending each night secretly messaging the OW that he worked with. All of his emotional attention left our relationship so he could carry on with her. He would spend all day with her, saying he needed to go in early and stay late whilst I sat at home making sure he had dinner ready as he was working so hard.

Its pathetic. You know what's happening and it's wrong. If you don't, then I hope you end up being THAT wife one day and feel the pain you are both inflicting.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 02/03/2019 21:58

I also think this thread is totally made up.
No one is si stupid that they don't know how wrong this behaviour is.

SlangBack · 02/03/2019 22:01

Ewwwww

CatinMyLap · 02/03/2019 22:45

Is it any wonder why betrayed spouses also want to rip the heads of the OW sometimes?

Here, is the reason why. Goady selfish fuckers

Orange6904 · 02/03/2019 22:47

@IWannaSeeHowItEnds believe me they are, I've been on the other end of it and heard it all. I don't think they view an of it as real, all they think about is themself and their ego boost. They don't think of the pain they are going to cause. Usually very emotionally immature with low self esteem. Very sad to tear apart a family when there are plenty of men about and other ways to boost the ego. And very sad to betray those you love for a quick fix to a bit of boredom.

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