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AIBU to think we're not really engaged then

55 replies

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:03

Probably relevant that we've both been married before and I have a DD with ex who DP gets along great with.

Been together 5 years, lived together for 3. We've spoken about marriage a lot. Especially since some very close friends got engaged last year. We talk about it as though it's a given and will happen. When people ask, we always say yeah we will when we've bought a house etc.

Ive never been bothered about big flashy rings and a big proposal or anything like that.

Last six months have been tough. Work, money and I've had a health issue. I've hust been diagnosed with ADHD - my feelings of self worth are a bit on the floor. I think he wanted to do something really special this Christmas.

Even though we'd said not to go mad spending on presents, he proposed. He gave me a dummy ring and said we had an appt with a jeweller to get what I wanted. He said it'd take a couple of weeks to get a ring.

When I asked about how we could afford it, he said he'd sorted most of it earlier in the year. He'd planned to propose but when our very close friends made their announcement, he decided to wait a few months.

He'd made a big deal of going to see my parents. Had told my sister, my daughter. The appt with the jeweller was first week in the New Year apparently.

First week in New Year comes round, appt got postponed as he'd forgotten to confirm it. I was a little bit upset that week as I'd realised he hadn't told any of his friends or extended family about our happy news and then he'd forgotten the appt.

Second appt in the second week of Jan came round and he couldnt make that either. They'd offered him the Tuesday, which I'd cleared time for, but on the Monday night he said he couldnt get out of work afterall and in any case, he hadnt confirmed it again.

At that point i just think it feels a bit ridiculous. I didnt feel it was something I should be nagging him about so i said I'll just leave him to it.

Today, nearly two weeks later, our 'engagement' comes up in conversation and I ask him if he's contacted them. He says 'no i havent'. With no follow up of 'but I will etc'. So I point out that i dont really understand why he proposed.

We knew we'd get married one day anyway. Getting engaged hasnt changed the fact we cant do it for a couple of years. I wasnt pressuring him. Why just half do it?

Now all of my family keep asking where my ring is, word is spreading so I see people and they shout congratulations and check out my hand and I tell them about going to a jeweller etc.

Except I'm not going to a jeweller am I? Because he hasn't arranged anything and Ijust feel a bit silly.
He thinks Im being ridiculous and says its hard to get availability etc and he didnt know how he could get to an appointment in the near future.

Ive told him I think he's got an issue with being engaged as I cant think of any other reason. He thinks im acting a bit spoilt 'demanding' a ring. I didnt want an expensive one, not even a diamond one, I wanted to do something unique with our birthstones.

Ive juat said fine leave it, I dont need a ring, but we're not engaged.

AIBU or is he? Or both?

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mummyhaschangedhername · 21/01/2019 13:07

Honestly I just think you need to follow through with the question of why? Perhaps there are a hundred reasons. I would sit down and say him your in no hurry to get officially engaged yet and as long as it's in the future for both of you then your happy to carry on as it is. Perhaps it cost more than he thought? Otherwise my thoughts would go to big gestures are often a way to deflect from other things. But really, unless you talk we could spend all day coming up with theories and it not help at all. Good luck though op. Must be really disappointing.

Badwifey · 21/01/2019 13:08

It sounds like there is something going on I think. Do you think maybe he no longer has the money now for a ring or that he never had it at all and that he is feeling the pressure? Maybe he thought you didn't want a ring and when he said he had an appointment booked that he hoped you would remind him you didn't want a ring and that would be that... you would be engaged without a ring...

CandleConcerto · 21/01/2019 13:09

I think he wants to be engaged but doesn’t want to spend a fortune on a ring which majestic perfect sense.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 21/01/2019 13:13

I think you’re being a bit ridiculous tbh. He proposed, with a ring. Why do you need a specific different ring to know you’re engaged? Sure, get a nice one, but that not happening immediately doesn’t mean you’re not engaged. In his shoes I’d be thinking wtf, I’ve asked her to marry me, given her an engagement ring, and she’s saying she won’t agree to be engaged until she gets the ring she wants? You’re clearly more bothered about the ring than a marriage, it seems that way at least.

But I think you’re both being a bit silly in a way too making a big song and dance about getting engaged when you don’t have plans to marry for ages. Getting engaged doesn’t really mean anything unless you’re making plans to marry. Why not wait until you’ve set a date before telling everyone?

category12 · 21/01/2019 13:15

I'd be a bit peeved. What is the point of it?

All mouth and no trousers.

CoastalLife · 21/01/2019 13:16

YANBU. I don't think it's really about the ring, is it? It's the fact that he made it look like he's put in lots of thought but it turns out he hasn't really. Almost like he woke up the next day and forgot he'd even proposed. I get the impression that actually, you'd have been fine if he'd said "I haven't got you a ring because with money and health issues I thought we could put that cash towards an amazing photographer to capture the day (or whatever) but I'll arrange low-key celebration drinks at the pub with family and friends" provided he'd actually then put the effort in to organising something.

I think I get it. You just want him to show some dedication and excitement towards the idea of being engaged. Flowers

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:16

Sorry just going all answers now to reply properly but should have said in OP, dummy ring doesnt fit. It on loan from the jeweller so needs to be returned anyway

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Aethelthryth · 21/01/2019 13:18

Why don't you just set a date for the wedding?

Lollyice · 21/01/2019 13:19

Do you need an appointment with the jeweller? I'd just side him into a jewellers when you are passing 'for a look' and choose your ring.

IncomingCannonFire · 21/01/2019 13:19

He's messing you about a bit. It doesn't bode well for a happy marriage if neither of you can sort out a ring together. If it was important to him he would have booked the appointment and arranged everything. Very wishy washy behavior.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 21/01/2019 13:21

Why don’t you start discussing wedding plans with him. I’m sure that will either spur him on or make it painfully clear he has no intention of doing anything

veggiepigsinpastryblankets · 21/01/2019 13:22

You aren't really "demanding" a ring though. He offered one. All you've done is ask when the thing he suggested is happening.

If I were you I'd be wondering if he's changed his mind, or made the suggestion on the spur of the moment then regretted it. It's not great either way but he ought to explain his thinking, especially if it's as innocuous as realising he doesn't have the money or would prefer to put it towards a house (since that's something you've talked about).

Aventurine · 21/01/2019 13:23

Do you need an appointment at the jeweller nowadays? 20 years ago you could just turn up on a Saturday when you were both off work and say you were looking for an engagement ring and they'd help you find one. Would they all turn you away without an appointment nowadays?

myhamsteratefreddiestarr · 21/01/2019 13:30

You're not demanding a ring, HE gave you a ring, told you it was a dummy one and told you that there was an appointment made to get a ring! He has since gone back on that, which is clearly understandably a disappointment to you.

He needs to explain his actions and make an appointment or the engagement is off, as you have said, because his heart clearly isn't in it if he has lied to you.

You have stated that you don't want anything expensive, so I really don't see what his problem is. It is what it stands for, not the cost.
XH picked out my ring himself for a surprise proposal and it cost just over £200. I loved it as he had put thought into it and picked a stone that he knew I would like. It's about the gesture not the cost, and at the moment, your DP's "gesture" means nothing.

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:31

Ok vietnemese you've dedinitely got me wrong there. Not more interested in the ring them marriage. We've said all along, we would just love to be husband and wife. The ring i actually do want isnt expensive and its not something I would demand to have now.

I didnt make a song and dance - he told my family before he'd proposed. And i do agree about the getting engaged without plans to marry thing. Which is my point - why did you bother? It's not changed anything, but now when i see people, word has spread, there's all this fuss. I feel foolish people think im engaged, but we're no further on plans to marry, no sign of any ring. I didnt ask him to to propose and i feel if hes not going to follow through he should have left it.

Badwifey - i dont he thought i wouldnt want a ring. He loaned one with a diamond in. It was a bit small so I cant really wear it but I could have kept it if i loked it. He knew i wouldnt though, it was gold and i dont wear gold and it stuck out a lot. I should point out though if that had been my engagement ring, i would have got it resized and wore if i liked it or not. Id have learned to love it.

He made a point of saying he'd already sorted it etc. He told my family about plans with the ring.

coastal yeah youre pretty much right i think. Its hard to explain without coming across as grabby

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Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:35

Yes myhamster! It feels like an empty gesture.

To all those asking about appointments at a jeweller. Was trying to be vague incase it was outing, but im sure it'll be fine, its not your average jeweller, more a friend of his who makes bespoke jewellery so would make one. So its just arranging a time to go and see them

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gnushoes · 21/01/2019 13:38

I'm also really puzzled about the need for an appointment - looking in the shop windows is easy to do even if the shops are busy. This sounds really odd and unsettling. can you not say to him what you've said here - that you're not being grabby but he had suggested that a ring and some announcements would happen and now they're not - has he changed his mind? Is he worried about something?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/01/2019 13:41

OP, what's all this 'ring on loan' thing? Do jewellers actually do that? The first thing I thought when I read that is that the 'loan ring' is an old one he's had or somehow acquired?

Just talk to him. Tell him that you feel awkward as he's made a song and dance putting it 'out there', and it's a natural thing that people want to see the ring and if you don't have a ring that can be worn, what's the point of making a 'thing' about it?

If you want to marry him then make plans with him for your wedding and never mind this engagement, it would feel a bit tainted to me now anyway, having to chase up an engagement ring. You are actually engaged as the intent and consent is there. A ring is just metal.

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:41

Its an appointment with a friend who designs jewellery to make a bespoke one. Paying this friend in chunks has been how hes afforded it. So he said i could go and get what i wanted bit it needed to be with the friend. He said if i wanted it from somewhere else, id have to wait a bit longer. But as i was happy with anythi g really, im happy to go to the friend

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Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:42

So the friend lent him a ring. Sorry ive obviously confised a lot of people by not explaining the stuff about the ring

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Huskylover1 · 21/01/2019 13:43

Whilst it's lovely to get the ring on your finger, it sounds to me like he has dome most things right, He wouldn't have told everyone, if he wasn't serious!! Just make the appointment.

I had to wait a while for my ring, because the place we wanted to get it was 6 hours drive away. Mt friend had to wait about 8 weeks for hers, as the ring her DH had chosen wasn't in stock.

I'd honestly chill out a bit.

Huskylover1 · 21/01/2019 13:44

Paying this friend in chunks has been how hes afforded it

Oh, bless him, I feel really sorry for him now. You could be on the verge of really spoiling this!

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:45

lying* youve actually just put everything i feel about it in words and made it sound so simple.

Except i do feel upset about it

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Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:46

Huskylover - i cant make the appointment. Its his friend and its their schedules that need to be coordinated. I cant make him

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woolduvet · 21/01/2019 13:47

I'd specifically ask him what he's like you to say to the people who say congratulations and ask to look at your ring, as you've no idea what's going on.
You have no intention of nagging about something and he's starting to look a little daft to people.
All this seems to be on him.

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