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AIBU to think we're not really engaged then

55 replies

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:03

Probably relevant that we've both been married before and I have a DD with ex who DP gets along great with.

Been together 5 years, lived together for 3. We've spoken about marriage a lot. Especially since some very close friends got engaged last year. We talk about it as though it's a given and will happen. When people ask, we always say yeah we will when we've bought a house etc.

Ive never been bothered about big flashy rings and a big proposal or anything like that.

Last six months have been tough. Work, money and I've had a health issue. I've hust been diagnosed with ADHD - my feelings of self worth are a bit on the floor. I think he wanted to do something really special this Christmas.

Even though we'd said not to go mad spending on presents, he proposed. He gave me a dummy ring and said we had an appt with a jeweller to get what I wanted. He said it'd take a couple of weeks to get a ring.

When I asked about how we could afford it, he said he'd sorted most of it earlier in the year. He'd planned to propose but when our very close friends made their announcement, he decided to wait a few months.

He'd made a big deal of going to see my parents. Had told my sister, my daughter. The appt with the jeweller was first week in the New Year apparently.

First week in New Year comes round, appt got postponed as he'd forgotten to confirm it. I was a little bit upset that week as I'd realised he hadn't told any of his friends or extended family about our happy news and then he'd forgotten the appt.

Second appt in the second week of Jan came round and he couldnt make that either. They'd offered him the Tuesday, which I'd cleared time for, but on the Monday night he said he couldnt get out of work afterall and in any case, he hadnt confirmed it again.

At that point i just think it feels a bit ridiculous. I didnt feel it was something I should be nagging him about so i said I'll just leave him to it.

Today, nearly two weeks later, our 'engagement' comes up in conversation and I ask him if he's contacted them. He says 'no i havent'. With no follow up of 'but I will etc'. So I point out that i dont really understand why he proposed.

We knew we'd get married one day anyway. Getting engaged hasnt changed the fact we cant do it for a couple of years. I wasnt pressuring him. Why just half do it?

Now all of my family keep asking where my ring is, word is spreading so I see people and they shout congratulations and check out my hand and I tell them about going to a jeweller etc.

Except I'm not going to a jeweller am I? Because he hasn't arranged anything and Ijust feel a bit silly.
He thinks Im being ridiculous and says its hard to get availability etc and he didnt know how he could get to an appointment in the near future.

Ive told him I think he's got an issue with being engaged as I cant think of any other reason. He thinks im acting a bit spoilt 'demanding' a ring. I didnt want an expensive one, not even a diamond one, I wanted to do something unique with our birthstones.

Ive juat said fine leave it, I dont need a ring, but we're not engaged.

AIBU or is he? Or both?

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Juells · 21/01/2019 13:48

As others have said - an empty gesture that's cost him nothing. And put you in an awkward position with friends and family. Anyone'd be pissed off.

jessstan2 · 21/01/2019 13:49

You are engaged, just haven't got your permanent ring yet.

Juells · 21/01/2019 13:51

and he's starting to look a little daft to people.

Haha good point. Tell him you're upset for how bad this is making him look.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/01/2019 13:52

Talk to him, OP. In his head it might all be ticketty-boo; in yours it isn't. You and he are an engaged couple and you ought to be able to talk about this together.

Don't be sad. You have your whole lives together. Thanks

flamingofridays · 21/01/2019 13:52

if he didn't want to buy an expensive ring and that's the issue, he should have just bought a ring he did want to buy and proposed with that. I cant imagine OP would have thrown it in his face and demanded a £££££££ one.

He's being a dick and has either changed his mind or didn't want to get married in the first place.

Tinkerbell89 · 21/01/2019 13:55

It's meant to be an exciting time getting engaged. Maybe he can't afford a specially made ring. A ring is a ring and is just a symbol of the promise to get married. M
Maybe propose just popping to Argos or somewhere to choose a simple cheap ring you like so you have one and can then move on from it.

He may also feel pressured about the whole wedding scenario where he wants to marry you but saving to do it and all the questions people ask when you get engaged like have you set a date? Etc.

I think he just needs some reassurance and no pressure. Then you might be able to enjoy the engagement.

ILoveChristmasLights · 21/01/2019 13:55

YANBU

He’s being really horrible about it. He proposed, gave you the dummy ring and said the apt was booked to get your real one organised. NOW he’s acting like YOU are pushing to get engaged when that wasn’t the case at all.

It’s really weird how he’s told your DD & family but not his. It’s put you in a very awkward situation with others, but most importantly he’s now acting like it’s all your doing, when it wasn’t.

I would have to have a proper conversation with him about this, because it’s not about a ring.

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 13:57

I will talk to him, just wanted to get opinions and see if i was being unreasonable.

To be honest, we were on the phone before, i asked him if he'd got in touch with friend. He said no. I took offence that he didnt sound like he had any intentions of getting in touch. He got defensive. I went off on a rant then told him not to bother.

I'll sort it tonight

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OlennasWimple · 21/01/2019 13:57

We've said all along, we would just love to be husband and wife

Then just go an do it. Suggest booking a visit to your town hall for a small ceremony and get his friend to provide the wedding rings. You could have a band with diamonds if you want something more than a plain wedding band and it would be both engagement and wedding ring in one.

Musti · 21/01/2019 13:58

I think it's nice that he wants to get a unique ring and if he's told everyone and also already paid for the ring then he's probably relaxing now. It doesn't make much difference. Having a ring isn't binding so no different to not having one. It's only January still. Maybe arrange to do it during Valentine's?

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:01

tinkerbell maybe he cant afford it. he should just tell me though because I have asked that! To him, getting the friend to make it was preferable option.

I'll dig deeper into that side though

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HugoBearsMummy · 21/01/2019 14:02

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. DH had my engagement ring made bespoke at a jewellers for me, as they didn't have the style of stone I liked in the setting I liked, they had white gold whereas I like platinum as you don't have to keep having it rhodium plated every few years. He paid the deposit, and went back 8 weeks later to collect, then he planned the proposal (took me to Venice 3 months after collecting the ring)

Like you OP- I NEVER pushed him to be engaged, so he had plenty of time to organise something special and purchase the ring in whatever timeframe he so wished. If he had done what your DP has done, I'd be very hurt and frustrated. I think you should explain to him how you are feeling.

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:06

We have talked about that wimple and then having a do in a couple of years.

musti if he wont make the arrangement, we cant do it around valentines either. I wouldnt care when it was, if he was actually following through and making the plan.

Thats the point - i dont care when, how big or how expensive, I do care about being proposed to and told these things and then it all just being left indefinitely.

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reallybadidea · 21/01/2019 14:13

Maybe he's digging his heels in because he's feeling hassled. I do this, and I acknowledge it's a character flaw, but if someone asks me to do something that I was going to do anyway, it makes me avoid doing it. I realise that this makes me sound bonkers and really annoying, but perhaps he's the same?!

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:17

He is like that! I've left him to it though for weeks. He made the initial appointment and the second appointment.

Ive deliberately not hassled him because i didnt want to 'demand' an engagement ring. Im just fed up that this supposedly lovely happy surprise on christmas eve has turned out to be bollocks

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Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:17

2 weeks that should have said

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Hadalifeonce · 21/01/2019 14:19

If he asked, and you said yes........... you ARE engaged.

DH asked me, I said yes. He presented me with a £3 ring from Charing Cross market, saying he would buy me a proper one when we got home.

We never bothered with another ring, and have been married for 20 years, so it was an engagement.

Juells · 21/01/2019 14:26

this supposedly lovely happy surprise on christmas eve has turned out to be bollocks

That's what I'd be saying to him, with knobs on. Getting all the admiration for the lovely gesture when that's all it was - an empty gesture.

badirene · 21/01/2019 14:26

Everyone saying maybe he cannot afford a flash ring, have you read this part of the OP's post

When I asked about how we could afford it, he said he'd sorted most of it earlier in the year. He'd planned to propose but when our very close friends made their announcement, he decided to wait a few months

So he is saying that he had planned to propose earlier in the year but delayed because of close friends, so what was he doing during those months? It makes no sense to plan to propose and get ring sorted in say June, wait and then come December have no plan and no ring sorted.

I would step right back OP, he has made a fuss of proposing, told your DD and family before and has now turned it around on you because you ask when the planned appointment is happening. If anyone else asks to see the ring point them in his direction.

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:27

Thats great hadalifeonce
But did the £3 ring fit?
Did he keep telling you he'd take you and then not bother.

Honestly...i need to keep repeating. Its not the expense or the size of the ring. Or even necessarily the existance of a ring. Its being proposed to, being promised something about a ring and then there being no intention of it happening.

If he said 'eh up, this money here could really be used for something great' then fine. But thats not whats happened

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reallybadidea · 21/01/2019 14:27

Maybe it is the money partly? And he's had second thoughts about spending so much but can't admit it to himself, let alone you or his friend. Or because you're looking forward to it so much he's got a bit freaked out by the anticipation?

Or is he more generally anxious about making the bigger step of getting married? I think you just need to talk to him, make it very clear that it's not that you're after an expensive ring, you just want to know if the pair of you are actively planning a wedding or does he want to leave things as they were before.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 21/01/2019 14:28

Do you usually have such spats? This seems to have got out of hand really quickly - you haven't really communicated about it as a couple before, you've both just stropped in separate ways. That would concern me far more than his inactivity around appointments.

I would say that it would be worth a conversation with him about how much he has paid this friend and when he will be sorting the appointment, and gently exploring if he's got cold feet or if he's worried about something. Realistically, that isn't going to go well if you can't talk to each other without one of you going off on one.

Was it like that before the engagement?

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:36

I dont know if its got out of hand anchor, its all taken a few weeks to unfold, yes we both did have a strop about it on the phone today but no dou t we'll sort it tonight.

I came on hwre to ask for opinions. I found ive lost quite a lot of confidence in the validity of my feelings on things like this since my ADHD diagnosis in October.

I can impulsive and do things like say 'ah well dont bother then' like i did before. I also get very black and white views sometimes and a bit obsessive. But i now i know ive got adhd im still learning what's that and what's actually right.

Bit of a long winded explanation

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Juells · 21/01/2019 14:37

I'd be telling people I'd called off the engagement, but I have a bad temper. Grin

Putaringonit · 21/01/2019 14:38

juells Grin sounds like something id do and then regret fivr.minites later! Haha!

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