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A second opinion..

56 replies

9aldridges · 07/01/2019 16:36

Hi all,

I appreciate I'm a) not a parent and b) not a women, however, i would value a females view here..I'll try keep things concise!

I started dating a girl late november. 27, great job, great personality, seemed to have everything together and there was an attraction there. Our first date, a drink at a bar, lasted 4 hours. I never looked anywhere else but at her, and it felt mutual.

We organised a second date which went as well, and i walked her home after before heading home.

Our third date, an afternoon beverage lead to me walking her back to her front door again, only this time she invited me in. I was somewhat naive as i didn't see this as a prelude to anything other than a coffee, and let her know i had plans in the evening. Shortly after i told her this, rather coincidentally or not, we started, on her lead, making out. One thing lead to another and we slept together. I'd noted during proceedings that my phone was ringing off the hook. Belatedly, i told her i should really get back to my mates, who were concerned for my welfare. I made a joke that they would been concerned as i would never miss watching my football team on tv, which she seemed to laugh off rather sheepishly. I asked her twice, maybe three times if she had any issues with me heading out to meet my mates. I'd made sure i hadn't just done the deed and then left, we were intimate for another 30 minutes or so before i caught a cab.

Later that night, i messaged her to say thank you for another great date and that i felt like we had a connection. In the early hours, i had a reply to say she didnt feel the same and didnt feel comfortable continuing to date. I was confused and angry...more at myself.

After a day or so, i decided to challenge on her on it, whilst apologising for leaving her, noting in hindsight that it may have left her feeling used, although i did all i could at the time to ensure she was happy for me to maintain my plans. She came back to me to say although she did note me leaving in such a way, it didn't bother her and she would have done the same. She also said she freaked out when she read my message and that she is a slow burner. I said i understood that and there was no pressure at this early stage to be on the same page. She seemed really positive with my repost and we agreed we'd continue to see eachother, and would chat on the phone later that week to tie up a few loose ends, to put my mind at ease.

Come the tuesday, when we had agreed to talk, she messaged me to say she wouldn't have time as she was off to the pub. It never crossed my mind that it was on another date until i got a message back at half 11 that evening. I told myself its perfectly acceptable to date other people, but the fact she kinda blew me out bugged me.

Wednesday night, i called as then planned but no answer. Thursday morning, she text to apologise, saying she hadnt been feeling great and had fallen asleep. Her phone was on her pillow, on loud etc etc..

At this point, i thought ok, lets put some distance between us. I already really like this girl, and I'm getting hot when we are together and stone cold when we're not. Maybe she's dating other guys and thus not sure where i sit in the pecking order. Maybe she was trying to let me down gently...who knows i thought.

Sunday afternoon, i get a message from her along the lines of "just wanted to know if you still want to continue dating or not, no worries if not and good luck" etc. I saw this as a bit of a lifeline, and read, incorrectly, that it was a sign she was still interested. I told her that i knew she had a busy week and had been unwell so wanted to give her some space, which was in part, true. We again agreed we'd still like to see each other, and i in fact went over to hers that very same evening, staying the night in the process.

I usually work away (in the military) but said i could pop back home one night that week if she fancied hanging out. We agreed on wednesday. I headed back, stayed at hers once more and everything, bar her getting up to sleep on the sofa (said she wasn't used to sharing a bed and had become restless), things seemed like they were progressing nicely, again. We agreed to have a proper date come Sunday and left for work.

That Saturday, i unfortunately suffered a severe trauma injury at football and spent 4 days in hospital. She offered, once she'd shaken off a hangover from her xmas party, to come visit me, but i said id rather her not see me like that, to which she empathised. As the fall out from the injury became more and more apparent, i got a little insecure and messaged her to say i was gutted that my injury meant a negative impact on us at a time when it should be exciting. She kinda shrugged it off...She struggled with empathy but it again made me doubt whether she was now, again, having second thoughts.

When i was discharged i let her know and quipped that i was heading to Oz to recover (i was on morphine, codeine etc but appreciate its not the wisest move). I genuinely thought there was no chance she'd think it was anything other than a joke. But she didnt. She messaged me again, late that even to confirm whether i was going or not. I didn't see the significance, maybe in my drug fuelled stupor, so i laughed it off whilst confirming I'd gone to stay with my dad up North to recover.

A few days went by with nothing back. I got concerned that we had wound ourselves back two weeks, and decided I'd not chase or try and convince her again.

Two weeks, over Christmas, went by before i finally cracked. She confirmed my worst fear, that my "comedy" had left her confused and I'm guessing a little angry...so much so that she didn't know what to say to me. She said she didnt understand me sometimes, in repost to my "Oz" comments, to which i countered it should be treated in isolation due to my state/circumstances. A few days went by and she said she didn't miss me and that i suppose is that...case closed.

She said she liked everything about me but something was missing, she just didnt know what..

I suppose what I'm trying to gauge here, is have i undermined her or played on her insecurities in both the leaving abruptly and the Oz scenarios? And even if i have, without knowing about her anxieties (i was fairly open but she was like a closed book), was i on a road to ruin? Destined to fail? Or were we partly a victim to circumstances?

Or, am i simply reading too much into things and she was simply not that into things, despite the physical attraction/activities?

I'm very self critical as a person so just after some much needed perspective. I know, as highlighted above, I've made some errors of judgement, but I'm just unsure whether they would have made a blind bit of difference or not?!

Thanks for bearing with me!!

S

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maximumcarnage · 07/01/2019 16:49

Sorry, I may have misread what you wrote. But did you sleep with her and then afterwards go off to be with your mates?

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 07/01/2019 16:53

Yeah he slept with her then went to watch football on tv with his mates Hmm

Loveneedslove · 07/01/2019 16:55

That's your issue right there.

hellsbellsmelons · 07/01/2019 17:04

This is all just too much like hard work.
Cut your losses.
Leave her alone and move on.

9aldridges · 07/01/2019 17:08

Yes, but like i say, we had discussed what my plans were prior to this unfolding. And she had had a problem with it, why not just say "yeah that was the issue"?! I didn't just have sex then break the news i had plans with the lads. Plus why would her response be "I don't feel the same way"? Defence mechanism?

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9aldridges · 07/01/2019 17:10

Hellsbells...agreed! I'm not planning on going back there, we have both said our piece, I'm just trying to get some perspective.

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Holdingoutforalotterywin · 07/01/2019 17:19

It’s a bundle of mixed messages from both sides I think. I know you like her and are just trying to get your head round it, but I don’t think too much introspections is needed. It didn’t work out as you don’t seem to “get” each other. Also her heading off to sleep on the sofa - if a guy had done that to me I would have been upset I guess and had a few questions in my head about where his head was. Maybe she was restless and kind enough not to want to disturb you. Maybe she just wasn’t sure she wanted to share a bed with you. You’re not in love yet and it seems too difficult for just the first few dates. Not sure either of you are in the wrong - you just don’t seem to have an instinctive understanding of how to communicate with each other

Gina2012 · 07/01/2019 17:20

Soooooo complicated and convoluted

Why can't you just have a nice time?

9aldridges · 07/01/2019 17:30

Holdingout - agreed, and i suppose she summed that up herself. Having self esteem issues instantly lead to doubts about what i did wrong, but as you say, largely, it's that we didn't understand eachother. I suppose one of us was more willing to work on that, but so is life!

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loveyoutothemoon · 07/01/2019 17:46

It sounds as though did didn't feel as connected as you did. I don't think you did anything wrong.

ZoeZebra1 · 07/01/2019 17:48

Even if you had plans, you left her for the footie and pub after sleeping with her for the first time. I would be miffed that you couldn't just let your mates know you wouldn't be joining them.
From then on her defences were up, sounds like she tried to overcome but ultimately found your humour and the mixed messages like too much hard work.

VixenSixen · 07/01/2019 17:50

So there are a couple of issues here, I think things probably turned sour when you DTD then left to watch football with your mates..... Kind of showing her where she was in your priorities, if a man did that to me, I wouldn't be seeing him again, I'd feel humiliated.

Another thing is that perhaps she was multi dating (it happens) and after that incident she was perhaps holding out for something else or had someone else who caught her attention.

I'm sorry to say that sleeping with her and heading off to watch footy with your mates was the beginning of the nail in the coffin. It's not a fantastic start to something that could have blossomed.....

I guess chalk it up to experience and in future if you like someone either slow it down and hit the brakes on a potentially steamy situation 😉 or blow your mates out and make a woman feel WANTED and SPECIAL if you feel like it's worth pursuing.

Dirtybadger · 07/01/2019 17:54

Maybe you didn't click sexually. She did attempt to dump you after the first time you had sex. And then specifically said that leaving was the issue (although it might not have helped)

Overall though it all sounds very confusing and my initial instinct would be that she's just not that into you. I don't think you could have done anything to make it "right".

Katgurl · 07/01/2019 17:59

I don't think you did anything wrong. She's not into you. This can be down to an infinite number of reasons and most of them are nothing to do with you so please don't feel bad.

Tbh after the first week of "I'm not sure.." text messages and being too busy to take calls I would have cut my losses. I would have ignored the sunday text message as you clearly were not a priority.

Again please don't take somebody's lack of interest as a personal slight.

pudding21 · 07/01/2019 18:08

Op for what it’s worth I don’t think you did anything wrong going to watch the football with your friends as you’d told her that was the plan. You asked her if she was ok and she was.

The rest sounds like you’ve over over analyzed and therefore communication has broken down. Sounds all a bit stressful!

NameChangeNugget · 07/01/2019 18:09

Depends who was playing I think? It applies for females as well

2cats2many · 07/01/2019 18:12

Maybe she didn't enjoy the sex? I'm not being horrible and saying that you're a terrible shag or anything, but maybe it just didn't float her boat?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/01/2019 18:12

You write: "I'd noted during proceedings that my phone was ringing off the hook. Belatedly, i told her i should really get back to my mates, who were concerned for my welfare. I made a joke that they would been concerned as i would never miss watching my football team on tv, which she seemed to laugh off rather sheepishly. I asked her twice, maybe three times if she had any issues with me heading out to meet my mates. I'd made sure i hadn't just done the deed and then left, we were intimate for another 30 minutes or so before i caught a cab."

So you didn't even turn your phone off during sex - rude enough - but then you were such a gentleman that you waited for a full half an hour before you jumped in a cab to go and meet your mates. Fuck me, what a Prince Charming you are!

In those circumstances I would never have seen you again. I'd be seriously insulted by that behaviour. I'm not surprised she's behaving oddly. She probably has no idea what to think of you.

Then you go into hospital for four days, blowing her out again, but crucially won't let her visit you. In her shoes I'd assume you weren't in hospital at all, but were off doing something you didn't want me to know about. Followed by ham fisted joke about going to Australia...

I don't know about her, but your dating etiquette needs a thorough overhaul.

TooTrueToBeGood · 07/01/2019 18:14

Op for what it’s worth I don’t think you did anything wrong going to watch the football with your friends as you’d told her that was the plan. You asked her if she was ok and she was.

She's hardly going to beg him to stay, is she? Not if she's got any self-respect. To paraphrase Jennifer Aniston in The Breakup, "I don't want you to stay with me, I want you to want to stay with me".

waxy1 · 07/01/2019 18:14

You only had to message a mate that you would miss the match.

But you didn’t.

deadliftgirl · 07/01/2019 18:30

I am sorry but I would cut your loses and move on.

When you first meet someone and get to know them, it should not be that hard!

Your talking like you have been together 2 years and things got complicated but you barely know her and she's playing hot and cold. How can she possibly know if something is missing when she hasn't properly got to know you outside the bedroom.

You seem like a nice guy who has friends, social activities and a good job. The right girl will come along when you least expect it and just focus on being the best version of yourself in this new year.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/01/2019 18:30

Absolutely, TooTrueToBeGood (great username, btw). No woman with any self respect would beg a man to stay under those circs. The fact that he didn't want to stay longer than half an hour after our first time together would be enough to put me off permanently.

9aldridges · 07/01/2019 18:36

**So you didn't even turn your off during sex - rude enough - but then you were such a gentleman that you waited for a full half an hour before you jumped in a cab to go and meet your mates. Fuck me, what a Prince Charming you are!

In those circumstances I would never have seen you again. I'd be seriously insulted by that behaviour. I'm not surprised she's behaving oddly. She probably has no idea what to think of you.

Then you go into hospital for four days, blowing her out again, but crucially won't let her visit you. In her shoes I'd assume you weren't in hospital at all, but were off doing something you didn't want me to know about. Followed by ham fisted joke about going to Australia...

I don't know about her, but your dating etiquette needs a thorough overhaul.

Some of this sounds a little bitter, but appreciated nontheless. Who turns their phone off?! It wasnt even in the same room! Apologies for prioritising mates of nearly 20 years over a girl I'd known 5 minutes. I appreciate i could and maybe should have stayed. I appreciate i could have had her visit in hospital, but with fairly severe injuries, i wasn't comfortable just yet for her to see me in such state, something i told her and that she understood. I'm here for constructive feedback. Leave your hate at the door..

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maximumcarnage · 07/01/2019 18:37

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. I read your post and thought this is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. Fully expected you to be crucified.

Tempting as it is to pile on, though to be fair it made me chuckle more than anything, I’ll suggest something different. Chalk this one up to a learning experience and move on. Perhaps the next lucky girl will be a better match for you. You never know, one of the posters here might be swooning this very moment at your romantic gestures.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 07/01/2019 18:41

You didn't sleep with your mates of nearly 20 years though, did you? If you prioritise watching footie on tv with your mates over a woman you've just been intimate with for the first time - do you really want a girlfriend?