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A second opinion..

56 replies

9aldridges · 07/01/2019 16:36

Hi all,

I appreciate I'm a) not a parent and b) not a women, however, i would value a females view here..I'll try keep things concise!

I started dating a girl late november. 27, great job, great personality, seemed to have everything together and there was an attraction there. Our first date, a drink at a bar, lasted 4 hours. I never looked anywhere else but at her, and it felt mutual.

We organised a second date which went as well, and i walked her home after before heading home.

Our third date, an afternoon beverage lead to me walking her back to her front door again, only this time she invited me in. I was somewhat naive as i didn't see this as a prelude to anything other than a coffee, and let her know i had plans in the evening. Shortly after i told her this, rather coincidentally or not, we started, on her lead, making out. One thing lead to another and we slept together. I'd noted during proceedings that my phone was ringing off the hook. Belatedly, i told her i should really get back to my mates, who were concerned for my welfare. I made a joke that they would been concerned as i would never miss watching my football team on tv, which she seemed to laugh off rather sheepishly. I asked her twice, maybe three times if she had any issues with me heading out to meet my mates. I'd made sure i hadn't just done the deed and then left, we were intimate for another 30 minutes or so before i caught a cab.

Later that night, i messaged her to say thank you for another great date and that i felt like we had a connection. In the early hours, i had a reply to say she didnt feel the same and didnt feel comfortable continuing to date. I was confused and angry...more at myself.

After a day or so, i decided to challenge on her on it, whilst apologising for leaving her, noting in hindsight that it may have left her feeling used, although i did all i could at the time to ensure she was happy for me to maintain my plans. She came back to me to say although she did note me leaving in such a way, it didn't bother her and she would have done the same. She also said she freaked out when she read my message and that she is a slow burner. I said i understood that and there was no pressure at this early stage to be on the same page. She seemed really positive with my repost and we agreed we'd continue to see eachother, and would chat on the phone later that week to tie up a few loose ends, to put my mind at ease.

Come the tuesday, when we had agreed to talk, she messaged me to say she wouldn't have time as she was off to the pub. It never crossed my mind that it was on another date until i got a message back at half 11 that evening. I told myself its perfectly acceptable to date other people, but the fact she kinda blew me out bugged me.

Wednesday night, i called as then planned but no answer. Thursday morning, she text to apologise, saying she hadnt been feeling great and had fallen asleep. Her phone was on her pillow, on loud etc etc..

At this point, i thought ok, lets put some distance between us. I already really like this girl, and I'm getting hot when we are together and stone cold when we're not. Maybe she's dating other guys and thus not sure where i sit in the pecking order. Maybe she was trying to let me down gently...who knows i thought.

Sunday afternoon, i get a message from her along the lines of "just wanted to know if you still want to continue dating or not, no worries if not and good luck" etc. I saw this as a bit of a lifeline, and read, incorrectly, that it was a sign she was still interested. I told her that i knew she had a busy week and had been unwell so wanted to give her some space, which was in part, true. We again agreed we'd still like to see each other, and i in fact went over to hers that very same evening, staying the night in the process.

I usually work away (in the military) but said i could pop back home one night that week if she fancied hanging out. We agreed on wednesday. I headed back, stayed at hers once more and everything, bar her getting up to sleep on the sofa (said she wasn't used to sharing a bed and had become restless), things seemed like they were progressing nicely, again. We agreed to have a proper date come Sunday and left for work.

That Saturday, i unfortunately suffered a severe trauma injury at football and spent 4 days in hospital. She offered, once she'd shaken off a hangover from her xmas party, to come visit me, but i said id rather her not see me like that, to which she empathised. As the fall out from the injury became more and more apparent, i got a little insecure and messaged her to say i was gutted that my injury meant a negative impact on us at a time when it should be exciting. She kinda shrugged it off...She struggled with empathy but it again made me doubt whether she was now, again, having second thoughts.

When i was discharged i let her know and quipped that i was heading to Oz to recover (i was on morphine, codeine etc but appreciate its not the wisest move). I genuinely thought there was no chance she'd think it was anything other than a joke. But she didnt. She messaged me again, late that even to confirm whether i was going or not. I didn't see the significance, maybe in my drug fuelled stupor, so i laughed it off whilst confirming I'd gone to stay with my dad up North to recover.

A few days went by with nothing back. I got concerned that we had wound ourselves back two weeks, and decided I'd not chase or try and convince her again.

Two weeks, over Christmas, went by before i finally cracked. She confirmed my worst fear, that my "comedy" had left her confused and I'm guessing a little angry...so much so that she didn't know what to say to me. She said she didnt understand me sometimes, in repost to my "Oz" comments, to which i countered it should be treated in isolation due to my state/circumstances. A few days went by and she said she didn't miss me and that i suppose is that...case closed.

She said she liked everything about me but something was missing, she just didnt know what..

I suppose what I'm trying to gauge here, is have i undermined her or played on her insecurities in both the leaving abruptly and the Oz scenarios? And even if i have, without knowing about her anxieties (i was fairly open but she was like a closed book), was i on a road to ruin? Destined to fail? Or were we partly a victim to circumstances?

Or, am i simply reading too much into things and she was simply not that into things, despite the physical attraction/activities?

I'm very self critical as a person so just after some much needed perspective. I know, as highlighted above, I've made some errors of judgement, but I'm just unsure whether they would have made a blind bit of difference or not?!

Thanks for bearing with me!!

S

OP posts:
QueenOfTheCroneAge · 07/01/2019 18:43

maximumcarnage
Grin

Roussette · 07/01/2019 18:47

Hmmm... firstly, someone who goes to sleep on the sofa is just not that into you. I would've been awake all night rather than not be with someone I wanted to be with.

Why couldn't she visit you in hospital? If I'd have offered to and had that offer knocked back, I would think the person wasn't interested. And going off to watch footy with your mates is a bit much after DTD. You have to imagine... she's lying there and brooding on that, whilst you're sinking beer and shouting at the telly.
I think you gave out messages that you weren't that interested and she distanced herself from you

TooTrueToBeGood · 07/01/2019 18:54

Apologies for prioritising mates of nearly 20 years over a girl I'd known 5 minutes.

Oh come on. If that is how you really see it she is well shot if you. Let me rewrite the above in a manner that clarifies how it really was. You prioritised watching a game of football with the lads over a girl you'd just slept with.

I appreciate i could and maybe should have stayed.

You shouldn't have. You showed her who you really are. It may have hurt her at the time but you've done her a big favour in the long run.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/01/2019 18:57

To react to my observations as you have confirms my assessment of your manners. Here's some constructive feedback: oafish behaviour seldom results in happy relationships.

LadyGAgain · 07/01/2019 19:02

She's just not that into you. I was exhausted reading all that.
Move on!
Oh, and buggering off after you just DTD might not have bothered her but it reflects negatively on you. And that will, on some level be contributing to her "just not that into you" status.

LordNibbler · 07/01/2019 19:12

Apologies for prioritising mates of nearly 20 years over a girl I'd known 5 minutes.
Most women would not have even seen you again after that.
Do not ask a woman if she wants you to stay after you've just had sex with her. What exactly did you expect her to say? A decent guy would not have even asked, he would know that no matter what you do not fuck and run.

RoseOfSharyn · 07/01/2019 19:17

Who do you support OP? Maybe that was the dealbreaker....I could never date a Mackem!

Lookatyourwatchnow · 07/01/2019 19:29

This is going to be one of those threads which involves the OP having a tantrum when he gets roasted because he expected everybody to be falling over themselves to tell him what a sensitive romantic man he sounds.

Gina2012 · 08/01/2019 05:23

I'm here for constructive feedback. Leave your hate at the door..

Oh dear me

Grow up laddie

Or leave the heat in the kitchen and go lick your perceived wounds elsewhere

category12 · 08/01/2019 06:07

The fact you wouldn't miss watching the football on tv with your mates would put me off forever. Especially immediately after the first time we'd had sex. Not even going to an actual match but tv. Confused

We'd be incompatible on the priority you give football, and not being eager enough for round two or three of sexy times instead.

She tried to dump you then, not sure what she was thinking to be persuaded to keep seeing you afterwards.

She obviously wasn't keen. Why did you keep pursuing it, given the indications she wasn't interested?

You sound like you need a fellow footie fan to be with.

OnlineAlienator · 08/01/2019 06:18

I think your attitude to your mates and football would be a huge issue for me too, it smacks of just not being that bothered. Clearly, you werent into this girl as much as you like to think so its lycky for both of you it didnt work out and you arent stuck in your world of 'countering' and 'reposts' by which i think you mean ripostes, which is all a bit combative in itself Confused

Find a girl you'd miss the footie for...

Tattybear16 · 08/01/2019 07:01

Seriously mate, the lady should count herself very lucky, you’re a catch. You’ve done her a favour, she’s had a lucky escape and has learnt a valuable lesson to avoid men like you. There’s your second opinion.

allaboutHR · 08/01/2019 07:32

Another one here saying you blew it when you chose your mates over her. In that moment of intimacy, you chose other people to be with. I'm thinking that maybe the intimacy was too much for you and in a way your mates were a good distraction? And its ok if you were uncomfortable and you needed to create distance and If this is the case, maybe it shows that you two slept together too soon?

hammeringinmyhead · 08/01/2019 07:47

I love football and I would have stayed. Awkward jokes about your mates being worried (I want to leave but know it's a shit thing to do hence asking if it's ok), awkward jokes about Oz (I can't be bothered to reply for a few days, just laying the groundwork), not letting her see you in hospital (Eh, not fussed about seeing you even though hospital is deathly boring)... I would have read all this like you were just not that into me. As the saying goes.

goldengummybear · 08/01/2019 07:54

You blew it by ditching her for the footie. Football matches happen once or twice a week and it sounds like a group of you meet so one of you not turning up once doesn't sound a big deal to me.
It is rude not to have your phone on Do Not Disturb/Silent during a date. Could she hear a message tone while you were together?

GobblersKnob · 08/01/2019 07:55

A gentleman does not remain in the bed for only 30 minutes post-coitus. Only a brand new extremely authentic emergency involving death beds should have you leaping up post fuck. If football was so important you should have realised a shag was off the cards, and not tried to squeeze a cheeky one in. You massively (and rightly so) put her off at that point. Everything post that sounds a tad creepy tbh.

CarolDanvers · 08/01/2019 08:07

Some of this sounds a little bitter, but appreciated nontheless. Who turns their phone off?! It wasnt even in the same room! Apologies for prioritising mates of nearly 20 years over a girl I'd known 5 minutes. I appreciate i could and maybe should have stayed. I appreciate i could have had her visit in hospital, but with fairly severe injuries, i wasn't comfortable just yet for her to see me in such state, something i told her and that she understood. I'm here for constructive feedback. Leave your hate at the door..

Whaaaat?! Grin

You’ve had brilliant advice that you can use moving forward and hopefully learn how to act with and respect women you like. “Bitter” “hate”?

Honestly, grow up!

crestar · 08/01/2019 08:09

High maintenance on her part. Going to the football clearly not your best move either.

ComedyBoobs · 08/01/2019 08:13

I'd noted during proceedings my phone was ringing off the hook
Grin
What a gent.

RoseOfSharyn · 08/01/2019 08:19

Apologies for prioritising mates of nearly 20 years over a girl I'd known 5 minutes.

5 minutes?! No wonder she was disappointed Grin

AFistfulofDolores1 · 08/01/2019 08:25

9aldridges - Your general attitude towards, and response to, the constructive criticism you've received on this thread reflects your attitude towards the woman you write about in your OP. Can you see that?

Now, that's your attitude, and you're entitled to it, of course. But if you'd like to change how you're received, then you'll need to change how you act.

It's simple, really.

Musti · 08/01/2019 08:26

Another one who would have been hurt at being left straight after sex to watch football on tv with friends. A quick text to those friends would have sufficed. But no was would I have told you that it bothered me.

Also what kind of injuries did you have that she couldn't see you in hospital?

WhoPooped · 08/01/2019 08:56

If a man had sex with me then left to go to the pub straight after I would think he wasn’t interested and likely never want to see him again. That would be incredibly hurtful.

This sounds like a lot of effort and I’ll be blunt with you... she’s just not that into you. Cut your losses mate

CarolDanvers · 08/01/2019 09:20

The “joke” about “Oz” combined with not wanting her to come to the hospital could not have told her anymore clearly that you didn’t want her around whether you meant that or not. “I don’t want you to visit...Er I am going to Oz to recover Hmm” can you see how that sounds?

Firstimemama · 08/01/2019 14:26

I think you may have come across to keen, sometimes it best to just keep it cool for a few first dates but you were bugging with questions and suggestions :/ also the leaving after the first time was a big no no