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A complicated mess

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northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 07:13

Apologies for the very long post
I’ve been married to my dh for ten years, together 13 and we have 2 beautiful children. We have been happy for most of that time. On the occasions in the past where our relationship has been tested, it’s been down to him. He hit me on two separate occasions early in the relationship and has texted two other women, these happened a few years apart and he always told me. Anyway on all of these times, I’ve fought hard to keep us together because we are good, we are happy and it works., I’ve buried my feelings of hurt and paranoia and kept the crazy b*tch who festers just below the surface under control for the good of our family. And it worked because for the majority of the time we were happy. We also have quite an open dialogue when it comes to sex and have talked openly to each other about fantasies etc. I told him about my curiosity of other women and he encouraged it, told me it turned him on etc. I never thought much of it but then one night while out, and I was very very drunk (it’s not an excuse, more of a reason as to why I even thought it was ok) a woman made a pass at me and I kissed her and a bit more. I hated it. It felt awful and not at all what I imagined. It lasted no more than a few minutes, that I can remember as I was very very drunk. So drunk in fact that I texted dh to tell him about it. If I had been sober I would have had the sense to realise this could hurt him, but I was a total idiot. This was in the summer, the next day he said it was fine, he understood. I told him I was disgusted with myself and I was sorry. And I was, i put it right out my mind I couldn’t look in the mirror without hating myself.

Anyway over the last few weeks/months I’ve noticed a change in our relationship, he seemed so distant and unhappy, I work long hours and I put it down to us being apart, and was hoping with Xmas coming up, spending some time together would help improve it. But I can’t keep my big gob shut, the week before Xmas I pushed him to open up and tell me what was happening. There’s been a woman in work who he has started a friendship with and I couldn’t help but notice the difference in attitude he had toward her and I was feeling very insecure.

We’ve had a few blazing rows. He finally opened up that what I did in the summer broke his heart in two, that he doesn’t think he’s in love with me anymore, that he may have feelings for this woman, and that a few months ago he was so down, so depressed over what I did that he got in the car and started driving towards a very high bridge to kill himself. By chance a song came on that we call DDs song as it was released the week she was born and he pulled off and came home. I knew nothing of this I’ve been so wrapped up in my own guilt and shame and watching him breakdown was the hardest moment of my life. He says the fact that what I did pushed him so low makes a part of him hate me. I just dont understand why he couldn’t have told me from the off that he was hurt, all of it could have been avoided but he says he wanted to be ok with it and bottled it all up.

We’ve talked lots and lots and lots. We are also in a lot of debt that we’ve been doing very well to pay off (especially with my new job) if he left, we would be financially destitute, we would probably both end up back in our parents house which is not where I want to be. I’m the family frick up, I know they love me but I also know they are only heavily involved in my life because of my kids and we need their help with childcare. I do not think they like me very much. We have decided that we are going to give ourselves until the end of March to keep working on us but also to start saving, putting every penny towards paying off the debt we had and building some kind of escape fund. We’re also going to work on rebuilding our friendship. He has been my best friend for 13 years, I have two cousins who are also my friends but I don’t see them enough to unburden myself about this very complicated situation. I feel very very sad and very lonely and isolated. Oh and Cherry on top of this monumental eton mess is that we’re still having sex. We’ve always been very good at that part and I don’t know if it’s helping. I think he feels disappointed with himself after, I see it in his eyes, but I also see rejection in his eyes when I say no I just can’t win. We've tried going cold turkey but we're both crying out for comfort, and a hug always leads to more.

I’m hoping we work through this and stay together but I’m also hoping that if we can’t then in March I can let him leave and keep my dignity in tact and my mental state stable for my kids. His parents divorced and hated each other for years, I never want to be anything like them, they are the most selfish people I’ve ever met.

Is there any hope? Am I clutching at straws here? I’m so confused and I’m so sad when he’s not here and I have no one to turn to, him and the kids are my whole life, and he is is very much in the same position Sad

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Butterfly44 · 28/12/2018 08:02

He's gaslighting you with that response. He's using that incident as an excuse making it seem your fault that's he's been 'driven away' into someone else's arms.
He's the one with the past history with woman!

Itwasatuesday · 28/12/2018 08:09

Sorry, I agree with butterfly here, he has a history, one you've had to overcome. He is using your mistake to excuse his behaviour. It's a mess for sure but don't take on all the blame, it was a mess before you kissed her.
Have you thought about councilling? It might help to talk to someone independent and get your head straight. Flowers

Scott72 · 28/12/2018 08:17

This is classic gaslighting, Butterfly is right. He was going to leave you for this other woman regardless. He is trying to blame this on your slight misbehavour (it really wasn't that bad). And this attempted suicide story? Probably bullshit. Even if it wasn't its not your fault. This is calculated and cruel of him to tell you this, blatant emotional manipulation.

PipGoesPop · 28/12/2018 08:31

Hit you twice? You've kept the 'crazy bitch' under the surface for your family? What, so he doesn't give you a smack in the mouth? Other women along the way too.

He's wounded and heartbroken, is he? Boo fucking hoo.

Gina2012 · 28/12/2018 08:47

He's a gaslighting cunt.

Do what you need to do for you and DD but do not believe his disgusting self pitying lies

northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 08:49

Thank you all for replying to me ThanksI just had to google the term gaslighting and yes I suppose this kind of does fit the bill, I've just never recognised it. Ive always been insecure and a bit crazy all through my teens and into my 20s, so when he tells me these things, I agree with him. I think if I had a stronger friendship network, or parents I could talk to I'd feel more confident about the future because in my moments of peace I know that this isn't right, I know that what I did isn't that bad, but then the guilt and shame crash's over me again and I lose all my resolve. I have no one to turn to. On the surface I'm a very outgoing and positive person, I also know I'm sometimes OTT I know Ive been described as 'lovely and loyal... once you get to know her' and I even feel tolerated by my family. I'm such a caricature of positivity that any chink in the armour, no one cares, the only attractive part of me has gone and no one wants to listen.

I just read that back and it's a total wave of self pity, I'm so sorry, I'm lying in bed trying to find a reason to smile for when my kids wake up but it's just too hard right now

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Gina2012 · 28/12/2018 08:53

I have no one to turn to.

You do now ThanksThanks

MumsyJ · 28/12/2018 08:54

Anything to trigger an excuse for his selfish behaviour. It was a drunken kiss, not an affair nor shag and for crying out loud, you came clean by telling him. He's just a drama queen, trying to make you feel guilty for his office relationship . Grow some balls Mr and stop having your cake and eating it. Any man that hits a woman doesn't deserve that woman.

northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 08:56

Thank you Gina and all replyers

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ISdads · 28/12/2018 09:00

I see everyone else sees it too

He just made all that up and is probably cock deep inside that woman and planning to use your drunken fumblings as his cover for 'why it is all your fault'

WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 28/12/2018 09:05

The sex you're having is called "hysterical bonding" - Google it. It's another way of reeling you in so he can mess with your head more. You do know he'd be seeing the OW regardless of whatever you'd done?

category12 · 28/12/2018 09:06

Honestly, I think that you should get some counselling on your own. You're not a "crazy bitch" and it's really unhealthy to think of yourself in those terms, and it allows men like your dh to get away with treating you like crap and telling you it's your own fault.

northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 09:10

Mumsy - this is how I started out, this was my initial argument, he was selfish twat and what I did was not done to intentionally hurt or kept from him. But he twisted it so much I'm now really confused. I haven't even thought about this woman from work - she's his boss, he's up for promotion, she decides if he gets it, he'd be a total fucking idiot to shag her, he could lose his job and she could lose hers. I dismissed his confession as more of a way to hurt me. But I do t know

I do know I cannot leave him yet, I dont have any money saved and I dont earn enough to support the house we're currently in (letting agents fees and deposits are just so much money) I really do not want to live with my parents, they're nice enough people but I dont feel close and I know I would end up feeling even worse about myself if I moved in with them. I also know I face a future of very lonely nights when (if) we split. I'm a secondary school teacher so I spend all day with kids, come home to my own kids. I've tried making friends with other teachers but you just don't have the timeabd like I say 'once you get to know me'. I've considered changing jobs for this reason but I'm a really really good teacher and I worked at my degree for ten years while working part time and raising our kids I dont want to give that up(even though the money is a bit shit for the next few years) I have so many decisions to make

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Costacoffeeplease · 28/12/2018 09:11

I don’t see why you’re accepting all this guilt, tell him to fuck off with his ‘going to drive off a bridge’ shit. He sounds like a nasty little fucker, make your plans to get rid asap, no more working on your relationship

Gina2012 · 28/12/2018 09:13

It feels good that someone's listening xx

And caring

I love MN for the listening and caring 💕

northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 09:16

You're probably going to think I'm a total pushover but I do still love him and I do think he was hurting over what I did.

I realise that it was probably because he took my dogged determination and commitment to our relationship for granted and thought only he would ever mess about. So it was probably a lot of shock as well.

It's just so hard to see the person you've shared your life with for 13 years breakdown. He's always told me I let others take advantage and don't stick up for myself. He's right but now it's working in his favour

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Gina2012 · 28/12/2018 09:16

Take it one step at a time @northwalesmum

Make a list of what you want to achieve, and we can help you work through it and achieve each point on the list

It's really challenging to get past the gaslighting when you have low self esteem.

But baby steps

You can do this

northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 09:22

@Gina2012
What I want to achieve... Its been a long time since I've thought of me. Ok here goes:

I want to stop feeling sad when I'm on my own
I want to stop texting him every time I feel sad
I want to be able to do things on my own again (go shopping, drink a coffee in a cafe)
I want to get dressed up for me and go out and laugh with friends over a meal/drinks

I can't say yet that 'I want to leave him' I don't feel strong enough but like you say - baby steps

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Angrybird345 · 28/12/2018 09:33

He’s a manipulative little arsewipe.

category12 · 28/12/2018 09:41

Why haven't you been able to go get a coffee or shop on your own?

northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 09:47

@WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit I just got round to googling hysterical bonding and oh my god!

I've been so confused! How do I now want more sex even after he's told me he can't love me and has feelings for that woman. I don't feel so pathetic now.

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northwalesmum · 28/12/2018 09:49

@category12 before all this I could do, I was content and felt secure. Now, with how I'm feeling, any time alone feels suffocating and I feel as if everyone can see my hurt and fear. I used to enjoy a bit of time to myself, a good book etc. Last few months though, as he's been pulling away from me, I've become really needy

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ferando81 · 28/12/2018 09:50

As a man I don't think for one second that your kissing a woman is the reason for his affair .You admit that you have fair and frank discussions ,surely after your confession that you didn't enjoy your lesbian kiss he would have said that it upset him and that you must never do anything like that again .No he used it as a green light for his latent cheating tendencies
For him to use your obvious guilt and remorse as an excuse to have an affair is quite disgusting-you don't treat someone you love like that.

category12 · 28/12/2018 09:53

Hysterical bonding is definitely a thing. Went through it myself. Awful. You're not alone. Flowers

8FencingWire · 28/12/2018 09:55

northwalesmum, he’s gaslighting you.
Don’t do the pick me dance, stop with hysterical bonding and stop and see his true colours.

You’ll manage, we all did/do.
Put some clothes on and go for a coffee in a bookshop, browse some shops, arrange to meet a friend/cousin.
Look after yourself.

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