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Cry for help - stay or go, sex or no sex, love or marriage of convenience?

42 replies

Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 08:33

Long story(sorry!) I'm 52, and a full time househusband, my wife is 39. We met 13 years ago while we were both working in overseas and fell in love. Ten years ago we married and all seemed great, later that year we decided it was the right time to try for children. We had a discussion and because her job was more interesting and allowed for the option of travelling and living abroad, we decided that she should continue working and I would look after the child (as and when they came).

Unfortunately we discovered that wasn't going to be so easy as we thought. After six 8 months of trying handstands and everything else we could think of we took some advice from our GP and referred us to an IVF clinic. To cut a long story slightly shorter, 4 years, 3 attempts at IUI and 6 full IVF treatments including a blighted ovum and a heartbreaking anencephaly pregnancy/termination (learned a lot in the process, last attempt told we should consider giving up as wasn't going to happen - more like we were negatively effecting their success rates!).

Amazingly on the last attempt (we had run out of our own money and the bank of Mum and Dad!) it worked, two blue lines on the test. though the stress wasn't all over. Our beautiful son was born at 27 weeks (1kg), he spent two months in NICU and came out small but healthy (fantastic support - and we were the lucky ones). We knew that based on past performance we couldn't leave it long before going for another one, for us it was never going to be the case of just ordering one. We couldn't believe our luck, next round of IVF and two blue line on the stick!!

This time it was relatively smooth, we had to have a caesarean but after what we had been though, that was the least of our worries. In February 2016 we had a beautiful little girl. We were a family of four and in a loving relationship.....

But then the physical side totally stopped, sex had always been on a more "practical" basis. Penetrative sex was possible with some help but always painful, something I hated so rarely pursued that option. I always had to initiate any form of physical intimacy, though semi reluctant, my wife always seemed to like the results. In our relationship I've always been the romantic one, I love buying flowers, leaving notes and gifts in her lunchbox (which I would make), knowing they would bring a smile to her face later at work. I'm the one that loves chick flick and often ends up in tears. I came from a broken home, father left when I was 7 after years of parents arguing, as a result I know that being shown love and affection is massively important to most people. I always looked for ways of showing her how much I love her and do the same with my children. You show a child love and it lasts, it's past from generation to generation. My wife's family are not the same, I have never witnessed and sign of affection between her parents and I think it reflects in my wife's inability to show affection, be romantic or empathise to my physical or emotional needs.

Sorry, this short story is getting very long, and this is the concise version! the upshot is that after 13 years of always having to instigate physical relations and some heated discussion along the way, my wife has now said that she doesn't want any sexual contact. At 52 I'm not that old, still have needs. Most importantly to me I have lost a way of showing her that I love her, that she is still a beautiful women and totally desirable. Not that it's ever crossed my mind to look elsewhere but I've been told I'm not allowed to satisfy me needs elsewhere, Can't play at home, can't play away. All that I'm allowed to do is to sort things out myself in the privacy of the bathroom. Masterbation is a wonderful thing and resorted to by most men and women to supplement their sexual needs, but for it to be told that it is a permanent replacement I find degrading and humiliating, but she can't see that. I'm not sure I can live with just self-service for the next 20+ years.

It's hard not to interpret these actions as, I don't love you any more or I don't find you attractive (I'm 1.83 or 6 feet tall and 79Kg and a BMI of 23, so not overweight). I've never wanted to stray, just a helping hand in the bedroom once or twice a month would be sufficient and I'll do the rest. But to be told thats it, you sex life is over is hard to take. I have to stress for me it's as much about losing the emotional connection you have in the bedroom, not just the physical side (though you ideally need both to make it work!). I don't want to be made to feel like a rapist or a pervert just for wanting to be close to my wife.

My problem is, I'm being torn apart. If it were just the two of us I would say "you don't love me" and walk away. But it's not that simple, we have two wonderful kids we both worked very hard to get.

Coming from a broken home I know that leaving would tear them apart, seeing them once a week or a fortnight confuse things and is fraught with animosity on all sides. staying and arguing is just as bad. I've though of ending it all as they are only 3 and 5 and they would forget me and hopefully go on to have a great life. I know this option is fraught with danger...........there is no right decision or outcome here. Does anyone out there really live in a loveless marriage, without emotion or affection and manage to call it successful. At the moment all options are on the table, I just am struggling to see a viable future whichever option I take.

I still love my wife so much but it's not reciprocated (I'm often left feeling she got the children she wanted, was it a marriage of convenience for her, now sod off). I probably know thats not true, but it feels that way), this can't be unique to me.......Help, thoughts, comments or suggestions welcome!!!

OP posts:
Villagelifer · 11/12/2018 09:34

It may be hard to go back to work but how can you not? You may not be able to pick up where you left off but doing something will enable you to move forward as an individual, rather than "dad".
You stopped working even before the children came, I don't get it.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 11/12/2018 10:09

If you did separate, as you are the primary Carer at the momemt, surely the children would stay with you anyway?

Musti · 11/12/2018 10:37

I'm not that much younger than you and had to also go back to work after over 10 years. I've done a bit of retraining and have built contacts etc and now I'm doing really well. Up in LinkedIn and start rebuilding your network. Add your old contacts and take it from there. You can do a lot of stuff from home but also be active on LinkedIn, Twitter and start going to networking events.

WishfulThinking08 · 12/12/2018 01:26

I’m in a sexless marriage for several years now, DH just stopped wanting to be intimate one day & his desire never returned. He doesn’t cheat & tells me he loves me but no sex. I have strong desire & want to take a lover but I do still love him & really want to be with him so as yet I haven’t but it’s so hard..what to do? I don’t have the answer but know there are others out there who suffer a sexless marriage..heartbreak.

Notcoolmum · 12/12/2018 06:53

I don’t understand why you gave up work before the children were born.
Children survive marriage break ups every day. The idea of ending it all (did you mean by ending your life or walking away?) would be the cruellest and most selfish option. Your children will adapt to a new normal but deserve not to feel abandoned by either parent.
You are young enough to revive or restart a career.

swingofthings · 12/12/2018 07:34

The question really is whether it is all about intimacy only or this is only what you see on the surface.

How is your relationship otherwise. Do you spend quality time together? Do you plan and get excited about holidays? Do you sit on the sofa and instinctively go close to each other ther? Do you look at each other in the eye and smile? Do you call each other with 'guess what happened today'. Do you look forward to seeing each other in the evening? Are you still friends and companions?

If yes, then there may be something to salvage with much work. If no then you might have to accept that there is indeed nothing much left for her for whatever reasons. Why would she have the kids though if you are their main carer?

Weenurse · 12/12/2018 07:44

I agree with PP that if sex is painful, then I would be reluctant as well.
This needs to be investigated medically before counseling would be of use.

Josuk · 12/12/2018 09:29

Op - in your place i’d do a few things.
First - if you are in the UK - it’s highly likely that upon divorce - kids would stay with you and you’ll be due maitenance. Go see a solicitor to check your situation.

Second - i’d act as selfish as your wife. She doesn’t get to decide unilaterally that your sex life is over. It can’t be up to her.
There are plenty of women in situations similar to yours. And I can’t blame them for seeking company of others like them. In the UK there are a few websites that are meant for that.
This can help you stay around until your kids are a bit older and you gather strength to act.

Hopoindown31 · 12/12/2018 12:34

You sound torn and confused and I think you need some time apart to figure out how you feel. As you are the main carer I would be asking her to leave for a while so you can get your head straight as she has unilaterally dealt a massive blow to your relationship. Tell her exactly how you feel about being unloved, rejected and feeling like you are being dispensed with now you have served your purpose.

Wallywobbles · 12/12/2018 12:46

I think you need some legal advice and some real job advice. Try an agency or 6. See what's possible. Come at this from a position of real knowledge not fear. Then counseling.

I can't understand why you think you'd be leaving the kids. Minimum would be 50/50 and it sounds like you'd be the primary carer as that's the status quo.

Kismetjayn · 12/12/2018 12:58

Would she honestly rather the marriage end than discuss sex?

Ookay.

I'd firstly empathise with her, but then say she needs to make an attempt to get this looked at. I find/found sex very painful due to prior sexual abuse. There's some minimal physical damage, but that doesn't cause pain, that's down to vaginismus. For me it's psychosomatic. I'd seize up due to trauma and it was agonising, and not very easy for him either.

We haven't had sex for a while but that's due to STBX being an arsehole. Without being tmi, from 'solo time' i know the condition is so much better due to the reworking in therapy, and the desire has gone from 0% and would be happy never having sex again, to fantasising/wondering/wanting to try a little bit (but with someone nicer!)

Perhaps she locks in emotionally because she knows you are from a broken home, and doesn't want to bring up her own childhood? You've mentioned her parents odd behaviour. Perhaps this emotional cutoff is causing the physical pain, fear & unwillingness to address the issue?

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/12/2018 13:02

You don't have to stay in a sexless marriage. No one has the right to sex but I equally believe that in a marriage one party doesn't get to unilaterally decide that part of the relationship is both off the table and not up for discussion. It's the one thing that defines a romantic adult relationship/marriage and she's being unfair to just dictate that's that forever and she's not willing to talk about it.

As a fellow product of a "broken home" I can tell you that living with unhappy parents was a lot worse than having parents who were happier apart and coparented with us in mind. This is the best age for them for you to divorce and I can't see what the alternative would be. It's very unhealthy for children to grow up with a model for adult relationships which doesn't include love, affection and closeness. That's what'll fuck them up, not you deciding this isn't enough for the rest of your life. You'll still be a wonderful present father when you're no longer your ex's husband.

It's very unlikely you'll go from being the primary parent to EOW contact, go for 50/50 at least, you're the one they're used to being with more.

For me, it's not the sex (though I wouldn't be happy to be celibate forever at your age), it's the refusal to talk about it or work with you on improving your marriage. Sometimes you have to be unhappy enough to make the change and it sounds like you're pretty much there.

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/12/2018 13:04

Would she honestly rather the marriage end than discuss sex?

Ookay.

It's really not that shocking when there are threads on here often from posters saying their spouse up and left or had an affair and while the issue had frequently come up they didn't think their spouse was serious or that it wasn't that big of a deal.

Kismetjayn · 12/12/2018 13:09

My typo'd double o makes it sound more sarcastic than I meant! I meant a 'deep breath because this is tragic' sort of okay.

People seem to let go of things so quickly. But I clung to STBX for too long. Not sure what a happy medium is but she does need to at least try to address it.

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/12/2018 13:36

I hear you Kismetjayn Smile And I do agree.

hellsbellsmelons · 12/12/2018 14:03

How is it admitting defeat!?
SHE has ended this.
SHE has decided, unilaterally, that YOUR sex life is over - FOR GOOD!
Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
No way would someone be dictating to me like that.
Sex it a big part of a relationship and this would be a deal-breaker for me too.

She tells me she doesn't want me to go but the physical side is over.......who would you feel!?
I'd feel she was a nasty, controlling asshole and I'd be outta there.
Look into what your options would be if you separated.
Would she want 50:50 custody?
Would you be a full-time parent with her making maintenance payments?
If she is not interested in getting any help for herself with this then there is nothing more you can do.

Please look into getting back into work.
52 is NOT old!
No reason why you can't look into it.
Maybe start a little business of your own where you can work from home?

But do NOT put up with this.
You get one shot at this life.
Do NOT waste it on an unhappy, sexless, effectionless, loveless, crappy relationship.
That is not the example you want to be setting for your DC.

hellsbellsmelons · 12/12/2018 14:04

And if you think about ending it all, ever again. then please contact the Samaritans.
That would solve nothing at all.
You just need a more fulfilling relationship.
It's up to you to get out there and find it!

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