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Cry for help - stay or go, sex or no sex, love or marriage of convenience?

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Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 08:33

Long story(sorry!) I'm 52, and a full time househusband, my wife is 39. We met 13 years ago while we were both working in overseas and fell in love. Ten years ago we married and all seemed great, later that year we decided it was the right time to try for children. We had a discussion and because her job was more interesting and allowed for the option of travelling and living abroad, we decided that she should continue working and I would look after the child (as and when they came).

Unfortunately we discovered that wasn't going to be so easy as we thought. After six 8 months of trying handstands and everything else we could think of we took some advice from our GP and referred us to an IVF clinic. To cut a long story slightly shorter, 4 years, 3 attempts at IUI and 6 full IVF treatments including a blighted ovum and a heartbreaking anencephaly pregnancy/termination (learned a lot in the process, last attempt told we should consider giving up as wasn't going to happen - more like we were negatively effecting their success rates!).

Amazingly on the last attempt (we had run out of our own money and the bank of Mum and Dad!) it worked, two blue lines on the test. though the stress wasn't all over. Our beautiful son was born at 27 weeks (1kg), he spent two months in NICU and came out small but healthy (fantastic support - and we were the lucky ones). We knew that based on past performance we couldn't leave it long before going for another one, for us it was never going to be the case of just ordering one. We couldn't believe our luck, next round of IVF and two blue line on the stick!!

This time it was relatively smooth, we had to have a caesarean but after what we had been though, that was the least of our worries. In February 2016 we had a beautiful little girl. We were a family of four and in a loving relationship.....

But then the physical side totally stopped, sex had always been on a more "practical" basis. Penetrative sex was possible with some help but always painful, something I hated so rarely pursued that option. I always had to initiate any form of physical intimacy, though semi reluctant, my wife always seemed to like the results. In our relationship I've always been the romantic one, I love buying flowers, leaving notes and gifts in her lunchbox (which I would make), knowing they would bring a smile to her face later at work. I'm the one that loves chick flick and often ends up in tears. I came from a broken home, father left when I was 7 after years of parents arguing, as a result I know that being shown love and affection is massively important to most people. I always looked for ways of showing her how much I love her and do the same with my children. You show a child love and it lasts, it's past from generation to generation. My wife's family are not the same, I have never witnessed and sign of affection between her parents and I think it reflects in my wife's inability to show affection, be romantic or empathise to my physical or emotional needs.

Sorry, this short story is getting very long, and this is the concise version! the upshot is that after 13 years of always having to instigate physical relations and some heated discussion along the way, my wife has now said that she doesn't want any sexual contact. At 52 I'm not that old, still have needs. Most importantly to me I have lost a way of showing her that I love her, that she is still a beautiful women and totally desirable. Not that it's ever crossed my mind to look elsewhere but I've been told I'm not allowed to satisfy me needs elsewhere, Can't play at home, can't play away. All that I'm allowed to do is to sort things out myself in the privacy of the bathroom. Masterbation is a wonderful thing and resorted to by most men and women to supplement their sexual needs, but for it to be told that it is a permanent replacement I find degrading and humiliating, but she can't see that. I'm not sure I can live with just self-service for the next 20+ years.

It's hard not to interpret these actions as, I don't love you any more or I don't find you attractive (I'm 1.83 or 6 feet tall and 79Kg and a BMI of 23, so not overweight). I've never wanted to stray, just a helping hand in the bedroom once or twice a month would be sufficient and I'll do the rest. But to be told thats it, you sex life is over is hard to take. I have to stress for me it's as much about losing the emotional connection you have in the bedroom, not just the physical side (though you ideally need both to make it work!). I don't want to be made to feel like a rapist or a pervert just for wanting to be close to my wife.

My problem is, I'm being torn apart. If it were just the two of us I would say "you don't love me" and walk away. But it's not that simple, we have two wonderful kids we both worked very hard to get.

Coming from a broken home I know that leaving would tear them apart, seeing them once a week or a fortnight confuse things and is fraught with animosity on all sides. staying and arguing is just as bad. I've though of ending it all as they are only 3 and 5 and they would forget me and hopefully go on to have a great life. I know this option is fraught with danger...........there is no right decision or outcome here. Does anyone out there really live in a loveless marriage, without emotion or affection and manage to call it successful. At the moment all options are on the table, I just am struggling to see a viable future whichever option I take.

I still love my wife so much but it's not reciprocated (I'm often left feeling she got the children she wanted, was it a marriage of convenience for her, now sod off). I probably know thats not true, but it feels that way), this can't be unique to me.......Help, thoughts, comments or suggestions welcome!!!

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OrdinaryGirl · 11/12/2018 08:36

What does your heart say is the right option for you?

LemonChickenThyme · 11/12/2018 08:47

Hi OP. Sounds tough. What is the reason your wife has given for not wanting sexual contact?

Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 08:48

I've no idea.....can't stay and live like this, can't go and destroy my children.....stuffed either way.

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Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 08:50

Just not interested, always been low on her priority list. for me it's only 20% but it's still important to me.

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Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 08:51

I've no idea.....can't stay and live like this, can't go and destroy my children.....stuffed either way

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Villagelifer · 11/12/2018 08:54

Agree with PP in that the most important info is the reason your wife gave you for no more sexual contact.

Urbanbeetler · 11/12/2018 08:54

You could try couples counselling, specifically around this issue. You sound like a good person and many people would feel as sad as you at this proclamation. I think ultimately if she refuuses counselling, you have a simple choice to make. Stay under her rules or go.

Musti · 11/12/2018 08:54

If you're a househusband you would probably get majority custody? Would you go back to work? At least you would get 50/50. If you're both there for your children and love them they will be fine.

jessstan2 · 11/12/2018 08:56

If you separated your children would not be destroyed. There are plenty of happy, well adjusted children who have parents living separately.

It's sad that what was a really good marriage has ended up like this and I feel for you but you are not old, you could move on.

Urbanbeetler · 11/12/2018 08:56

When you said ‘end it all’, did you mean end your marriage and relationship with the children or end your life?

Villagelifer · 11/12/2018 09:00

Not to say it's your only option but if you decide to split up the children won't be destroyed. Better to be from a broken home than live in one and all that.
Your youngest is 3? Have you gone back to work? I think that would be my next step if I was in your situation. That and understanding how your wife feels. Does she not love/respect/care for you? Is it fixable? If you don't understand the problem you can't fix it.

ShatnersWig · 11/12/2018 09:00

You should leave the marriage. What sort of lesson do you teach your children to stay in a loveless marriage or an unsatisfying relationship? You want them to see what it SHOULD be and that it's perfectly OK to end a marriage if it no longer makes you happy.

If your daughter came to you with your story, you'd not tell her to stay and be miserable for the sake of the kids.

iLoveFoood · 11/12/2018 09:01

Rough decision op and you're not a bad person for feeling this way. I struggle with affection and intimacy in a relationship which makes it feel cut off and dead. If you really can't live without the sex I'd leave before you do get tempted to stray if that ever happens

Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:02

Sorry, just not interested doesn't seem to be an honest answer. She tells me she doesn't want me to go but the physical side is over.......who would you feel!?

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Fcukupagain · 11/12/2018 09:05

If you were too seperate OP and im not advising either way , your children would not be destroyed , im sure of that , people do find ways too make it work after seperation , you sound very desperate this is a tough one , go with your gut , if you stay is animosity going too build quite probably

Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:05

Going back to work after being out of it for 10 years is not going to be easy. I was a headhunter so all my contacts have gone and I'm now middle aged to most employers......it's not going to happen. It's part of why I feel angry about it.

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Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:08

Easy to say, but when you see you childrens faces everyday and their faces light up, how do you walk away from that. It also doesn't help I still love my wife, but to her 205 of the marriage is dead to her when I think marriages are about giving 100%.

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Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:11

Yes, and I respect that. But would have preffered an honest, don't love you, don't find you attractive anymore.........."just not interest" sounds like a massive cop out!

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Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:14

But I'm not totally sure it's a loveless marriage as she won't say so. It's also about seeing my children every day, getting them up, taking to school, bedtime........every day my head locks away another precious memory of times that are short and can never be lived again. Not easy to walk away from that!

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Urbanbeetler · 11/12/2018 09:15

Would she consider therapy? Does she want the marriage to work? She does have a responsibility to at least try and sort out what is making her so detached from you if she wants the relationship to last. It’s not fair on you otherwise.

Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:16

I don't think so but why do i feel like I'm and ogre and 100% in the wrong for wanting a physical relationship!?

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minipie · 11/12/2018 09:17

You said penetrative sex has always been painful for her? I would expect that’s a big part of the issue. Has she ever had any medical advice for that?

TheRedRoom · 11/12/2018 09:25

The part of your OP that stood out to me is where you write "Penetrative sex was possible with some help but always painful, something I hated so rarely pursued that option." Are you saying that your wife has always found sex painful? Has she ever investigated why? If I found something painful then I'd also stop doing it even if it was important to my partner,particularly if the motivation for doing it (getting pregnant) was removed.

The fact she's been "semi reluctant" about sex in the past, as you say in the OP, says a lot. I think if you want sex you need to break up. She has told you where she stands. Your children will cope if you manage the break up sensitively.

Travisandthemonkey · 11/12/2018 09:27

Lots of people stay in marriages without sex whilst the kids are growing up.
I guess if you care for her and you get on well then you must think of it as a sacrifice for staying with your kids for now.
It’s a bit of a cynical way of thinking about it, knowing that when they’re older you will separate, but it’s something lots of people do.

Perhaps you need to go to counselling, because you at least both need to know the real truth behind reasoning.
Then you can work out if you decide to both settle for now. Or go your separate ways.

Ankara2021 · 11/12/2018 09:32

As we discovered during the IVF process and things we had to deal with, we are both very pragmatic people and if you can't talk to each other about relationship defining issues then therapy is not going to work. I just have to make a decision based on she does not want intimacy anymore. I have to respect that and take whatever options are left open to me. It's just hard letting go and admitting defeat.

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