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Why do some men think it is acceptable to treat a 28 week pregnant lady the way he has? (he's the father)

42 replies

SmithBic90 · 28/11/2018 15:21

I'm really emotional at the moment, just looking for a place to rant a little, and hopefully find some support and make sense of it all. I don't believe all men are the same, I know from seeing other people my age having children that most men are fabulous when their partner gets pregnant planned or not.

Basically, I am now 28 weeks pregnant. And the father of my child walked out on me when I was just over 3 months pregnant. He claimed it was because I'm a liar, and he's not the real dad. I even agreed to a paternity test when the baby was born for his peace of mind as he put it, regardless of my absolute certainty of him being the dad.
Since then, it has been nothing but an emotional and mental roller-coaster. So in honestly I think I'm just looking for someone to talk to, someone who will talk me down from my seriously high emotional state, and just be a friend in general.

After the whole drama of him deciding he's not the father, he walked out. But since then, he's been trying to be more involved, then he decides he doesn't want to be, then he does, etc etc. When he first walked out, he told me he wanted nothing to do with us until the baby was born (due in Feb!) and then he'd only step up if the paternity test came back as the baby is his. Duiing this time, he went out of his way to tell everyone he could (people he did and didn't know) especially other girls (most of whom are a lot younger than he is) about the situation, but he twisted things to make himself out to be a completely innocent victim, and went on about how messed up he was not knowing if hewas going to be a dad or not. It got to the point where I was receiving messages of how much of a disgusting person I am and how could anyone put someone they claim to love through stuff like that. His own mother said she wanted to stab me, I even had people telling me they hoped I lost the baby. I'm not sure if he was aware of that happening, but it was awful. He missed the next few scans, including the 20 week scan when I found out what we were having. I couldn't even get hold of him to see if he was interested in knowing, he'd blocked me, and got his friends to find out for him. A few weeks later, I had a message from him asking how me and the baby were, I asked why he suddenly seemed interested, he told me it was because he saw his aunt who had gone through all the dates, spoke to the person he claimed was the actual father of my child, and they all came to the same conclusion, the dates I gave were right and he is, in fact, the dad. Not anyone else like he claimed. He got more involved for a while. He went as far as saying things like he still loves me, he wants us to consider being a family in Feb when the baby is born, that he wants us to consider him moving into my flat with us, so we can be together, raise the baby together, save money etc. I stupidly believed everything. I stupidly believed this was it, and he had realised his mistakes, realised it wasn't all just about him, and we could try to work something out. I was very stupid indeed, because not 2 weeks later, he tells me it's getting too serious and we need to stop seeing each other. And then he stopped talking to me. In between that and now, he's tried to tell me he loves me again, he's wanted me to go over to his (he literally lives down the road from me) but he's been messaging 1 girl who he had a thing with previously, after she said she hopes for his sake the baby isnt his, and he's agreed, and said me too. He tells me he's not fussed either way, and most recently he's been sending messages to another new girl he's never met before, who lives a bit away from us, flirting with her, getting to know her. From what I've gathered, she's a lot younger then the both of us, yet again and has a 6 month old girl herself. He's been sending her money to support her when she's run out of gas, he's been more supportive of a girl he's never met before, then of the woman who is carrying his own child, and it hurts more then I can even imagine. When he comes back wanting to be more involved and telling me he loves me, I get this stupid hope that he's come to terms with things, and we can work it out and then I still find out he's slagging me off behind my back, he's flirting with other girls, he's saying he's really messed up, using it as an opener to chat these girls up and get their sympathy. He hasn't once stepped back and thought about his unborn child or what his actions and words do to me. I've been in touch with the Midwifery Mental health team, but honestly, I just want a friend. I have some fabulous ones, but I feel I can't speak to them about how I really feel, because they get angry with me, tell me to suck it up and deal, and to just sack him off completely and everything else. I know I should, but it's so hard to do. It's getting too hard to pretend it doesn't hurt, or get to me and I'm honestly not sure I can cope anymore.

Anyone been in a similar situation? How did you get through it? Regardless of being pregnant or not? How did you get someone out from under your skin? How did you muster up the courage to eventually turn around and say no to someone you love? And say enough is enough? I don't know how to process it all, and deal with it. I try to focus all my attention on the baby, but sometimes, it all gets too much and just completely explodes!
Super sorry for the ridiculously long post too! 😢🥺😳😖

OP posts:
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 28/11/2018 15:24

Oh Good God, please DO NOT EVER LET THIS MAN BACK INTO YOUR LIFE.

He is an absolutely spiteful little fucker who will continue to twist and turn and play you the way he's playing you now.

He is the father, he isn't, he wants to be involved, he doesn't... read this back to yourself. He's messaging other girls? Why are you even considering letting him back in?

You and baby will be so much better off without him.

TURN AROUND AND TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF.

Jackshouse · 28/11/2018 15:28

You have good friends who are telling you to have nothing to do with this lying, cheating man. You and your baby are worth so much more than this.

PlinkPlink · 28/11/2018 15:32

Wow what a horrible mess this all is. You poor thing. You don't deserve to be treated this way at all. You deserve to be looked after during this time.

It doesn't seem like this is going to happen though.

Let's look at this logically. Twice now he has messed you around and messed your mind up. Even if he was the father and was certain of it, it sounds like he would struggle to commit. It sounds like he's using every excuse under the sun to not commit to you. Which makes him an awful person.
He is not going to be there for you darling. He is not going to be there for your baby. He has demonstrated this very clearly to you.

This is so upsetting and so hurtful but try and alter your perspective.

This baby needs you. He/she needs you to be strong and powerful. I know your hormones are not helping and you probably feel so weak from the way he has crushed you. Try to find the strength from inside you. Draw on that wonderful connection you already have with baby. You can do this and you have got this! That bond you have is the most powerful in the world.

I strongly suggest you block this man from your life. It's hard. It's painful. But in the long run, it will be better for you. His family doesn't want anything to do with you or that baby. You certainly don't want your baby to be around a woman who has threatened to stab you! You certainly don't want your baby to grow up around him - think how confused and messed up your little one will be with him constantly coming and going, with watching you get crushed by him.
So, please, take the leap. Block, block, block.

It's fucking scary and painful. But by doing it, you will be putting the wellbeing of your child first, and by extension, you will get peace of mind.

Come on mama, you can do this!

Notacluewhatthisis · 28/11/2018 15:43

He isn't treating you like this because you are pregnant.

He is doing it because he is a cunt. He would be displaying the same behaviour, with a different reason, if you weren't pregnant

SmithBic90 · 28/11/2018 17:02

Oh wow. I'm so completely overwhelmed by you all, thank you for your replies!

Being completely hormonal and emotional hasn't helped with the situation, but you are all completely right. I've managed to calm down, and reading all your comments and advice has helped a lot.

I appreciate you all. And I'm going to take all of your views ans advice to heart, and do it. I hand on heart love the guy to pieces, truly thought that we'd be able to get through it, we'd be stronger and closer than ever, even through the difficulties of having our first baby, the crying and the night feeds and the lack of sleep, etc. But obviously, you guys see from an outside perspective that it's not ever going to happen and if you guys can see that, then I need to open my eyes and realise it!

I think the final push over board on the emotional mess episode was finding out that he can be supportive of a complete and utter stranger he's never even met before, who is a number of years youger than himself, who has her own issues and her own 6 month old little girl to deal with, by sending her money when she's crying to him about having no money for gas and the council aren't helping her, and yet, he's not once stepped up to help the woman of his own unborn child. I may come across as jealous, and actually I probably am if I'm honest. She doesn't know him, she doesn't know the situation but he's manipulated her into thinking he's a decent guy, who'd support her if she ever needed it and would always be around for her and her child if they got close enough to form a relationship. It honestly really hit hard that he would be like that. And now that I see what you all say about it, I can see that him expecting me to wait around until Feb for when the baby is born and for him to make his mind up about what he wants is completely unfair. I've had nothing in the way of support from either him or his family, and me and my soon to be here baby boy (couldn't be happier to be having a boy!) deserve so much better, even if that better is without dad being involved.

Oh gosh, I'm so overwhelmed with all your help towards a complete stranger such as myself I may cry again!

OP posts:
haverhill · 28/11/2018 17:08

Oh OP, he’s awful, vile. You don’t want him in your life and your child’s life, surely? I know it hurts and is scary but you are worth ten of him.
Concentrate on you and your child now. He doesn’t deserve your heartbreak x

DioneTheDiabolist · 28/11/2018 17:15

You're asking the wrong question OP. The real question is "Why am I accepting such poor treatment from this fuckwit?

explodingkitten · 28/11/2018 17:17

Keep him out of your life, it will be better for it. Besides, he will mess with the childs head as well if he gets the chance. Don't put him on the birth certificate. Forget him.

Racecardriver · 28/11/2018 17:20

Because he’s a shit person. Why do you associate with someone like that?

HollyLM · 28/11/2018 17:22

Do not continue with this man!

Nothing will change even if he did return and therefore it will be a constant emotional battle of going back and forth with him!

Don't waste your time, or your child's.....create a life for you both. It will all work out, you know why.... because life just always does in the end!

You've got this! Be strong and be brave...xx

PlinkPlink · 28/11/2018 17:22

Yay OP! Well done!!

Keep coming back here and reading these posts if times gets tough and you start thinking about taking him back (sometimes happens).

It's hard to stay on the right path when emotions and our hearts get in the way. But like you say, your baby boy will be so much better off having just you, as a strong and capable mum.

Boys are awesome btw Grin

oiiiiiii · 28/11/2018 17:25

I'm sorry you feel sad but you urgently need to step up and make better decisions for the sake of your baby.

Your emotions are not permanent, they will change if you give them a chance to. BUT, your innocent baby doesn't have the same hope if you allow this awful human being into it's life!!!! Please please give your head a wobble. You need to get shut of this fuckwit before baby is here, and you need to stay shut of him, your child doesn't deserve this kind of awful cruel influence!

Please op, lean on the ladies here, go no contact, fill your life up with distractions and in time you won't remember why you were with this man and why you let him carry on hurting you so much .

Love is a cheap thing op! You can love pretty much anyone! Folk don't like to think of it that way but it is true. He isn't special - he is just a nasty shit human being. Get shut of him, cut contact, change your habits, lean on friends and within months you'll see your feelings are healed.

Do it for baby if not for yourself!

Mitzimaybe · 28/11/2018 17:27

Do not put his name on the birth certificate whatever you do. His aunt has gone through the dates with him, he knows it's his baby, yet after a while he pushed you away again and started contacting other women. Having a baby puts a huge strain on the best relationships and yours is very far from that. He isn't the man you want him to be. Try to see him as he actually is, not as the person you would like him to be.

magoria · 28/11/2018 17:31

It's an act. He has no ties and can walk away from her whenever he likes probably after he has got his leg over.

No need to be nice to you, been there, done that, thinks you will have him back whenever he clicks his fingers.

He doesn't care for her any more than you. She is just fresh meat and he wants in her knickers. The only person he loves is himself.

Sorry to be so crude.

Unfortunately you are going to have to co-parent whenever he is bored and he decides he wants to be a part of the child's life for a few months. So the sooner you can learn to let what he says/does wash over yourself and carry on your life without him the better.

TooTrueToBeGood · 28/11/2018 17:34

I hand on heart love the guy to pieces

You really need to get over that. The guy is scum. You and your baby will never be able to rely on him and he will, over time, suck the very marrow from your soul if you let him.

Honestly, do you really love him or do you love the person you thought or hoped he was?

The best thing you could do is completely cut him out of your life. Don't name him on the birth certificate and for fucks sake don't let him move into your home. He's shown you who he is. Don't be a fool to yourself and buy into the delusion that he might change, because he won't.

Shambu · 28/11/2018 17:41

You need to read Women Who Love Too Much by Robin Norwood.

The question is why you would give your love to such an arsehole. You can take it back.

PartridgeJoan · 28/11/2018 17:49

OP did you report the message from his mother? It's not acceptable to threaten people like that!

He sounds horrible and like you would be happier in the long run without him.

AngelsSins · 28/11/2018 18:54

I think the first thing you need to do is to let go of what you think/thought you could have together. It’s a fantasy, it’s not grounded in reality and he’s proving that to you with his actions. You need to let go of what you thought could have been, you will never have that with this fuckwit

It’s time to accept the reality of how things will be, you and your son, you need to put him first. You have some time to cleanse your mind of this fucker so that when your son first meets you face to face, he’s looking at a strong, protective mother whose happiness doesn’t rely on such a weak, pathetic excuse for a man.

Give the baby your name, do not put him on the birth certificate, and cut him out of your life. When the baby is born, HE has to make the effort to see him, he has to show that he will be a reliable, stable role model to your son.

You can do this, you’re stronger than you think.

Didsomeonesaybunny · 28/11/2018 19:05

OP I know EXACTLY how how you feel. My ex left when I found out I was pregnant (she was completely planned and it was him pushing for a baby) and left for OW.

Ex alleged he was uncertain that he was the father, I actually agreed to a pre-natal paternity test which of course he refused and when my baby was born he asked for a paternity test so we got it all arranged and then surprise surprise he didn’t show up.

Throughout my pregnancy we met up and slept together (massive mistake - don’t do it!!) and on numerous occasions he begged for me to take him back. I foolish succumbed after so many months of him chipping away at me only for him to leave again, completely out of the blue for a completely different woman. He’s now moving in with her, after just 12 weeks (utterly mental I know) and has got his feet under the table (she also has two children of her own) and during this time he’s been seeing the OW (couldn’t make it up could you?!)

My ex is a nutter and is still intent on fucking up his life and has offered to come back and flamed me for not giving my daughter his surname. It’s also been a fight getting him to pay maintenance.

It has been insanely stressful but I made the decision that my child must come first and she is better off without us being together. He hasn’t met her yet and I know that when he does that will be excrutiatingly painful for me.

The reason I have told you all of this OP is to be realistic about how hard things are going to be, but, I’m still here, being the best mother I can be to my daughter and have so far managed to hold it all together. It’s all doable but don’t allow him to emotionally blackmail you, men who do this kind of shit are vile, despicable human beings and we deserve more.

Here if you need a chat x

ReggieKrayDoYouKnowMyName · 28/11/2018 19:11

Wow. This is dreadful behaviour from him. Is he very young? Not that that makes it okay if he is, but if he’s 17 and immature I’d say I hope he will grow up and realise what a massive mistake he’s made in years to come. If he isn’t however, heavens above!

merville · 28/11/2018 19:23

magoria

It's an act. He has no ties and can walk away from her whenever he likes probably after he has got his leg over.

No need to be nice to you, been there, done that, thinks you will have him back whenever he clicks his fingers.

He doesn't care for her any more than you. She is just fresh meat and he wants in her knickers. The only person he loves is himself.

Sorry to be so crude.

Unfortunately you are going to have to co-parent whenever he is bored and he decides he wants to be a part of the child's life for a few months. So the sooner you can learn to let what he says/does wash over yourself and carry on your life without him the better.

This X 100.

He's an absolute shit, toss pot and c*nt.

No offence but please be very very careful if you have another baby that you don't have it with someone like him. Get to know them really well for a long long time.

DragonSnaps · 28/11/2018 19:56

You have to do what's best for you and your baby. The baby's dad is an utter dick!! He's not going to be there for either of you, so cut the twat out of your life. If he's doing this now and says he wants to be involved in years to come, then I think it's safe to say that he will most likely keep letting down your child, and that's an awful thing for a child to go through. So many people are single parents. It's bloody hard work, but it can be done and will be better than putting up with that fuckwit. I know you'll be a great mum

user1484424013 · 28/11/2018 19:59

You have 12 weeks left. Move far far away. Close off all social media. Move tje fuck away and don't tell him a thing he will fuck your child up and make you even more of a wreck than you are now. You can do this alone with leave or you can be back her at 39 weeks pregnant with his wanka demands.

Accountant222 · 28/11/2018 20:13

He's playing you, walk away

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 29/11/2018 12:08

And I'm going to take all of your views ans advice to heart, and do it

I'm am SO SO GLAD to hear you say that.

Yes, it will be hard but you have 12 weeks (3 months) to get life sorted for you and baby, and get this utter arsehole out of your lives. You can do this. Your friends will help you. They will probably cry with relief when you tell them!!! Best of luck with it all, please keep us updated. Flowers