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Feeling so low about life after going NC with my parents.

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HappinessWhereAreYou · 27/11/2018 18:46

In July, a number of things happened between me and my emotionally abusive mum that basically made me realise I couldn't put myself through this any longer. My dad, who has been manipulated by my mum for my whole life, is truly a lovely man. He's been there for me through thick and thin until now but he has now turned his back on me because I can't deal with my mum's abuse any more.

I'm finding that the more time that passes, the harder this is getting. To be rejected by him is absolutely killing me. I've tried reaching out to him but his replies are short, sharp and to the point. He doesn't want to converse with me anymore. It's like he's using me as a scapegoat and directing all of his pain and suffering towards me and blaming me for everything. The way he sees it is that we all know what my mums like and I should just be the bigger person but I just can't any more.

My husband is deployed with the army and he has been away since June. I've got 2 young children and I just feel so lonely. My parents would have been who I would lean on whilst my husband was away but I've lost that now.

I had friends visit this weekend. We all drank rather a lot and I ended up crying. Some of these girls are new friends so I'm absolutely mortified. I also ended up getting so drunk I was sick. I haven't been in that sort of mess for a long time and I'm absolutely mortified. I confessed to one of the girls that I used to suffer from bulimia (something I never tell anyone).

I'm absolutely mortified at the mess I got myself into and just feel like I'm not coping with this. Does anyone have any advice? I'm just so alone just now 😢

OP posts:
Unsurprisinglysurprising · 27/11/2018 20:45

This wasn't normal behaviour OP. It was abuse. I had counselling and I felt it helped me, to a certain extent, just for somebody to confirm my childhood wasn't 'normal' and was terrible in many ways.

Chocolate50 · 27/11/2018 20:52

@doyoumind
Hmm no one is perfect and I certainly wouldn't suggest any parent is, but there is another side to every story & it surprises me that OP has used the word 'abuse' to descrbe her mother when it seems her DD was there all of the time.
& no i think parents are generally neither 'good' nor 'bad' but abuse is something else. This is causing harm to another person so I am suggesting that OP try tp communicate what she feels went wrong. She says that she would normally lean on her parents at times like this- they've obviously been helpful in the past even if her mother is an absolute dragon, I don't think tbat there's anything to lose now by communicating what she means by what she's ( presumably) saying to her DP

Redskyandrainbows67 · 27/11/2018 20:57

It doesn’t sound like Nc is working for you.
Can’t you go low contact instead?

Chocolate50 · 27/11/2018 21:00

OP from what you've said your DM was not meeting your needs - what you describe is neglect. Its very sad that you seem to have been the scapegoat for the whole family, with your siblings still in the family fold so to speak. Have you ever talked to anyone about this & did anyone try to step in when you were a child? Like the school or family members? Can you access phone support? I have known people in your position who regularly call the samaritans - they aren't just there for people who are suicidal but also people experiencing emotional distress. I would urge you to call them or a survivor of abuse helpline? Please don't sit on it xx

HappinessWhereAreYou · 27/11/2018 21:01

he says that she would normally lean on her parents at times like this- they've obviously been helpful in the past even if her mother is an absolute dragon

Talking to my mum involves listening to her harp on about stuff and agreeing with all of her opinions. The thing with her being my mum is that I have spent 30 years wanting her to love me, trying to make her love me. That's why I'd contact her so much but this summer I realised that she will never love me and I've cut my losses. There is an emptiness there now though but I wouldn't say she's ever been helpful to me.

OP posts:
Chocolate50 · 27/11/2018 21:10

OP I get it I am absolutely not suggesting that you are in any way misunderstanding your situation I'm so sorry if it came over that way. - you are saying that you have had to accept that you don't have the mother that you need, a nurturing and sensitive care giver who meets your physical and emotional needs. It sounds like she did none of these things and for your own well being you've made a choice - but found the fall out from this choice difficult. I'm thinking that you need to have some counselling or to talk to someone - do you have a GP who could refer you? Don't carry it on your own x

Daisymay2 · 27/11/2018 21:27

It might be worth chatting to the Padre. He/she may be able to suggest a different welfare officer- say that you have met the welfare officer socially and don't feel it appropriate.
Is there anything in the Hive?

Some GP surgeries have in house counselling but that does not deal with the childcare problem. Can you talk to your HV?

oiiiiiii · 27/11/2018 22:14

It makes all my happy memories a lie and I'm finding that extremely hard to come to terms with.

I have been through this as well or a version of it. It's crushing. I'm desperately sorry to hear you are going through this.

I was wondering if you might try phone or Skype counselling? Even instant messaging counselling is available now. You can do it while the children are in bed or while they're in an activity?

I'm very very sorry to hear about how much you're suffering. I know what you mean about just wanting to be under someone's wing. I suffered like that for a few years but in time I did learn to be that mother I needed, to myself. It took counselling and a lot of courage and practice but it can be done.

For me, the part that lingers is how unfair it is.

They had children, we didn't choose to be born, and yet, here we are, working our arses off and crying our eyes out trying to get through it all. I'm just very sorry. x

Cawfee · 27/11/2018 23:24

That is abuse. Using toilet paper rather than sanitary products? Did she know you’d started your period? Who washed your clothes if she didn’t? Why didn’t your father buy you those products or give you the money to go buy them? I really recommend counselling OP. Some counsellors offer sessions online using FaceTime/Skype.

CodeOrange · 27/11/2018 23:50

Hello,

I went NC with my father in Jan after a lifetime of all sorts of manipulation and emotional abuse. I'm still grieving the loss of the father I should have had. I also had the realisation that although my mum did divorce him, she was only really concerned with the affect on herself. She doesn't 'see' my pain. I'm 35 now and it has been awful realising that I've been pretty much unparented.

Your dad is an enabler/codependent or perhaps a covert narcissist too. You have every right to set your boundaries and the fact he won't let you speaks volumes. This must really hurt.

These are the things that are helping me:

Therapy (only had 6 sessions through workplace but it made a lot of difference and confirmed the abuse)

Reading/researching the cycle of abuse.

Richard Grannon and Lisa Romano on YouTube. Books like Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

Podcasts. The Mental Illness Happy Hour with Paul Gilmartin. The latest episode this week with LeeAnn Kirschner (not sure on spelling) is absolutely essential listening for daughters of abusive mothers. Lots of lightbulb moments in there.

Forums like Mumsnet Smile and also the Reddit forum 'raised by narcissists'

Friends.. don't worry about getting drunk, it happens and we've all been there when going through a hard time. Let people support you.

Whereabouts in the country are you roughly? There are Support groups for victims of abuse in the south east.

AboutThat · 28/11/2018 02:59

This is the reason I chose not to go NC in the end, I know it works for some people but I am sure I would find it harder and I think DF would have sided with DM as well. He sees it as two women not getting along and I suppose to a certain extent that is true because I had become a bit like the thread on here about "look at her sitting over there eating crackers".

I really do feel for you, and I hope you can find a way to work through your feelings, it's such a sad situation you are in. I totally understand why you would have wanted to (she sounds awful) but I don't think taking your DF aside to tell him you would support him in leaving her was the best idea.

FestiveForestieraNoel · 28/11/2018 04:35

I've been through this too with my parents. I haven't used them but there is a support group for people who are estranged from family. It's called Stand Alone:

www.standalone.org.uk

HappinessWhereAreYou · 28/11/2018 15:05

Thanks everyone. So many of you have really articulately explained exactly what is going through my mind right now.

I've had a good cry last night and again today which is maybe what I need.

I'm also contemplating sending this text to my dad. Do you think this is a good idea?

Hi dad, how are you? I just wanted to send you a message because I’ve been feeling really down for quite a while and I really wanted to explain a few things to you. Feel free to just ignore this message, you don’t have to read anymore if you don’t want to but it would mean a lot to me if you do.

I know things have been difficult since July when mum & I fell out. I just want you to know that for me, this was an accumulation of a lot of stuff. All I have wanted for 30 years is for mum to love me. I’ve tried so hard to have that but this summer I realised that day will never come. There are many things that mum has done to me in my life, some that you are aware of and many that you aren’t. I just find these things very hard to come to terms with.

What I do want you to know is that I’m so grateful for everything that you have done for me in my life. You are my happy childhood memories, you are the person that every day I aspire to be like. You have been my inspiration and my support for so many years and I’m feeling so lost not having you as a part of my life.

Dad, I’m sorry I can’t be more like you. I’m sorry I can’t continue to be around mum when she makes me feel so worthless. I wish I could change that and I wish I could be a stronger person but it’s just too hard for me. Dad, I am here ready and waiting to have a relationship with mum again when she can promise to talk nicely to me and treat me better. I would love nothing more than that.

I just want you to hopefully understand why I’m in this position and to know that it is breaking my heart every single day.

I hope things can change and I hope it doesn’t have to stay this way.

If you’ve got this far, thank you for reading it all.

I hope you’re okay and would love to hopefully talk sometime soon.x

Should I send?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 28/11/2018 15:21

How are you going to feel in the the likely outcomes:

Dad ignores
Dad rejects what you've said
Mum goes ballistic and starts a hatred campaign against you
Dad tries to brush it all under the carpet
Mum says she'll be nice but it's held against you at every opportunity and used to further abuse you (perhaps when no one is around)

You are desperately hoping for a reconciliation and that is unlikely to happen as neither of your parents are likely to have changed...

Not sure why you are desperate to be so like your Dad when he has supported his wife in abusing his DC for years! You need to take off your rose tinted glasses and come to terms with that first IMHO

gluteustothemaximus · 28/11/2018 15:35

Don't send. Please don't send.

I sent something similar. All chucked back in my face, and used against me.

Your message shows just how little self esteem you have. You are so grateful to him for reading a text. He is your Dad! He should be wanting to see how you are himself.

There will be great delight in your suffering, trust me.

Flowers
gluteustothemaximus · 28/11/2018 15:37

And yes, I think you have rose tinted glasses about your Dad. I genuinely thought for years that my own father was fine, and she was the one I should blame for everything. The more I researched, the more I look back at the past, the more I realised, he was just as bad as she was.

Literally everything I said was used against me, and they ended up telling everyone I'd had mental breakdown and was trying to breakup their marriage Hmm

Don't send anything. Write it all down, get it off your chest, but don't send anything.

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 28/11/2018 15:47

If you can't access counselling, you can always call the Samaritans on 116 123. It's free and will help if you need someone to talk to x

HappinessWhereAreYou · 28/11/2018 16:03

Not sure why you are desperate to be so like your Dad when he has supported his wife in abusing his DC for years! You need to take off your rose tinted glasses and come to terms with that first IMHO

My dad worked a lot. When he wasn't at work he took us out. Day trips, picnics, museums, bike rides etc. His job was very high pressure so through the week and sometimes weekends also, he was very busy with work. When he'd come home my mum would tell him a very skewed and manipulated version of events from the day to make out we hadn't behaved when 95% of what she was saying wasn't true. I don't think he realises the extent of what she put us through. He is now retired but they have no children living at home. I don't think he'll ever know how it was when we were young. I wouldn't say he supported my mum in abusing me.

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UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 28/11/2018 16:15

Your dad did some things right and some things wrong. The wrong things don't take away the good memories, but they are part of the whole picture. Your parents are both dysfunctional, manifesting itself in different ways, but it sounds a bit like you've seen your mum as all bad and your dad as all good.

They both had a role to play in what happened to you. We're all flawed human beings, some more flawed than others though! This is codependency. OP you stopped "playing the game" by standing up for yourself, and so you were met with anger and a wall of silence. You can't control what your parents do, but can choose how to react to them. Do what feels right in your heart and keep talking to people and getting support for yourself x

AdaArdor · 28/11/2018 16:29

Firstly, I'm so sorry you are going through this. It is a very primal pain that only those who have experienced it can know. And in a way, it never goes away - the loss of your parents love, out of their choice, is horrendous.

You say you just want the love your mother never gave you. There is a way you can get this, but from yourself. When you're feeling stronger, do some reading around the Inner Child, and re-parenting yourself. If you can come to a place of real self-love, and love for the little child that still lives inside you, you will heal a huge chunk of the pain you feel. This also needs to be combined with boundary-work, and truly coming to accept that your mother will never change and will never be who you want her to be, and will never give you the love you have been missing your whole life (hence why people don't want you to send the text).

I recommend a book called Running on Empty, by Jonice Webb. It is about the effects of being a child suffering emotional neglect, which you inevitably did. This, along with the inner child work and establishing my values and boundaries, made a huge difference.

The only other thing to add is a lot of counsellors these days work via Skype/telephone, which although not the same as in person, would still connect you with someone well-versed in these issues. If funds allow, find a counsellor who does these online appointments to guide you through it; it's a huge journey - and a supremely hard one - and a counsellor will be a huge help.

Wishing you the best of luck - take care of yourself.

oiiiiiii · 28/11/2018 16:35

Send the text if you want to, but please be sure that you have good support around you before you send it. It's very very likely that the outcome won't be what you want or hope for. I want you to have people by your side so that you aren't left even worse off.

I speak from experience sadly.

I'm really sorry.

gluteustothemaximus · 28/11/2018 16:54

My dad worked a lot. When he wasn't at work he took us out. Day trips, picnics, museums, bike rides etc. His job was very high pressure so through the week and sometimes weekends also, he was very busy with work. When he'd come home my mum would tell him a very skewed and manipulated version of events from the day to make out we hadn't behaved when 95% of what she was saying wasn't true

Same with me. I excused him of everything, because he worked all the time, and listened to her skewed events.

Time and time again I excused him to DH, saying he was manipulated by her, he was the good one, he didn't know what she was like so he couldn't step in etc.

I don't know your exact situation, but it sounds familiar. And he is to blame as well.

AnotherEmma · 28/11/2018 17:19
Flowers

Your mum was abusive and neglectful. Your father enabled her. I'm sorry you can't see it yet, I expect you want to cling onto the idea that one of your parents was perfect or at least good. He clearly had/has good points but he has also failed you in some ways. He has certainly chosen your mother over you.

I'd like to echo PPs and urge you not to send that letter. After he was cruel to you, why send a letter like that? He owes you an apology. You shouldn't have to flatter him and beg him to consider your feelings.

See if you can access telephone counselling after the children are in bed.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/drugs-and-treatments/talking-therapy-and-counselling/how-to-find-a-therapist/#.W_7N3xanwlQ

I also suggest you read "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward and check out the Stately Homes thread. In the absence of therapy, they will be lifesavers.

WellThisIsShit · 28/11/2018 18:01

My mother’s vileness ruled the family with a rod of iron, and I grew up feeling terribly sorry for my lovely nice dad, who I kind of hero worshipped. I grew up with the roles very clear in my mind, and the dynamics very set: mother hideous, father wonderful, mother the bully, father on the side of the victims, with me and my sister. I used to try and protect him from the worst of her nastiness, even from an early age I learnt to take the flak, I mean from 7yrs old, perhaps younger. And he used to let me.

I had a wonderful counsellor when DS was a baby, so I could take him to sessions (I think you can until they are 1 or 2yrs old?).

Anyway, this guy was so insightful, he helped me reframe what happened to me growing up and when I’d understood it better, I could come to terms with it better.

One thing in particular really stands out to me even now, 7 years later. At one point when I was talking about my home life and some of the times I’d ‘had to’ step in as a child to protect my father. And how my father would go away for months with work to avoid coming home and facing my mother. The counselor stopped me to ask “I’m feeling a lot of anger and I’m not sure where it’s coming from. Sometimes as a counselor, we can take on emotions that the person is feeling, so is this anger towards your father coming from you?”

I was really confused and asked why I’d be angry? I honestly couldn’t see it. The counselor looked grim and said, ‘well, I’m feeling very angry towards the only other adult in this situation, the only person who had the power to change this situation and protect the innocent children being abused... and maybe I’m feeling the emotion that you cannot’.

It really stuck in my head, and although I never could muster up much anger towards my darling father, he stopped being my blindly followed hero at that point. I can see now that he was responsible for the damage that my mother did to me, just as much as my mother actually. I can see that it’s a cowards act, to hide behind a tiny little girl who takes the abuse for you because she loves her daddy so much. And then that father walks out and leaves his children in hell for months at a time without help, because he’s too scared or just doesn’t see that it might be his responsibility to help his own children.

He too chose my mother over me at one point, but I didn’t force the choice, my mother did, being rabidly jealous and very weird about any warm relationship between me and my dad. I didn’t make him choose or join in that fight because in my heart of hearts I knew who he’d choose... as he had done each time he’d let her hurt me instead of himself and each time he’d walked out the door and left her in change of us.

It’s terrinly painful, and I don’t think it’s your fault, or my fault. It’s the continuing damage that two adults are playing out together, in their fucked up relationship, where their bond is incredibly dysfunctional and does so much collateral damage, but it’s a strong bond nonetheless.

I do have a few moments of closeness that I treasure, between me and my father. He died, so I can’t go back and ask for more. But I don’t think the moments with your dad are false or anything, he’s just not capable of being a fully functioning adult and when that string gets pulled, back he goes.

Flowers
FestiveForestieraNoel · 28/11/2018 18:42

^^ what wellthisisshit said in spades

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