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Leaving a SAHP

61 replies

Hacklesupdate · 24/11/2018 11:23

My DH is the SAHP, I work long hours and get home at 7pm, we have two DDs ages 3 and 6. Him not working is not our joint choice he just refuses to get a job. I’m so unhappy in our crappy, unequal relationship but terrified if I do leave because he’s the SAHP I won’t see the children much. It would kill me to have every other weekend and a night in the week. I know he would fight dirty in any divorce too, I just feel trapped. Sad

OP posts:
bastardkitty · 24/11/2018 16:05

Packing your job in without discussion or agreement and refusing to work does not make someone a SAHP. I would have thought that's pretty fucking obvious. Get yourself to a solicitor and go part-time. Instigate formal separation and stop supporting him. He's sitting pretty at the moment. You need to make him much less comfortable.

bastardkitty · 24/11/2018 16:06

And stop saying you will give him everything!

Hacklesupdate · 24/11/2018 16:09

The problem with me working part time is we are literally only just scraping by as it is. We also rely on some tax credits which would be taken away if I wasn’t working full time. It’s not that simple.

OP posts:
bastardkitty · 24/11/2018 16:12

But that's the response he is banking on. Sometimes you have to force the issue. This is serious. He has manipulated you and the situation. Seek legal advice. I would not give my kids to someone who did this and see them EOW. Is the 3 year old even at home with him? Sorry if you've answered this already.

Thankyounext · 24/11/2018 16:17

Who would look after the children then if you worked until 7pm every evening? If you want to/need to work and he is a good sahp then maybe you can have the children each weekend the hours he suggested. If it’s 50:50 you would have to get reliable childcare in place.

Every couple has to sort this out if they have children when they split and there have to be changes/compromises/concessions as things can’t stay the same.

Hacklesupdate · 24/11/2018 16:36

My ideal would be working:

10- 6 Monday
8-6 Tuesday
8-3 Wednesday
10-8 Thursday
10-3 Friday

Then I could have the children Friday- Monday every other weekend.
Friday- Saturday morning the weekend I’m not having until Monday (I know kids need weekend time with both parents).
Wednesday after school - Thursday morning every week.

I know my employer is flexible enough to support these hours. Do you think that’s more fair?

OP posts:
Hacklesupdate · 24/11/2018 16:38

Would obviously work better if I can hold until youngest in full time school next September. Would that be fair to the children and husband? Feels closer to what I would want

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JennyHolzersGhost · 24/11/2018 16:40

You need legal advice OP. Nobody on here can tell you with certainty what you need to know.

Thankyounext · 24/11/2018 16:43

Can you discuss your proposal with him and see what he says?

Sisterlove · 24/11/2018 16:50

Your 3 year old will start school next year. ..What's he going to do then? Even if he's home now. ..he can aim to find a job then.

Sisterlove · 24/11/2018 16:51

Seeing my kids EOW wouldnt be enough for me at the ages of 3 and 6.

bastardkitty · 24/11/2018 16:52

Don't discuss this with him now. You need legal advice before you take any next steps.

ferrier · 24/11/2018 16:54

If you cut down your hours it's likely you'd qualify for benefits.
People who deliberately cut hours "to qualify for benefits" don't often get them.

It sounds like he wants to be a sahp which is quite a normal thing to want. If it was a woman wanting to stay at home with their dc there wouldn't be all this name calling. It also sounds like he's doing a decent job of it so definitely not the lazy fucker that some are proclaiming.

I think you need a good solicitor.

Sisterlove · 24/11/2018 16:54

He’s already told me he’s not returning to work when the youngest is in school.

What a lazy man. I'd have no respect for a man like this.what's his reason for not working?

Can you speak to his family members about it?

I'd be tempted to take a sabbatical and stay home with. the kids.

Has he always been so workshy?

Sisterlove · 24/11/2018 16:55

If it was a woman wanting to stay at home with their dc there wouldn't be all this name calling

Once the kids are in ft school, I would have the same opinion.

ferrier · 24/11/2018 16:56

I didn't return to work until the youngest was in junior school. It's not that easy finding jobs which fit around picking up children from school and school holidays. Not everyone wants to put their dc in childcare.

bastardkitty · 24/11/2018 16:57

Plenty of women have had a verbal bashing on MN because they have insisted on being SAHPs although their partner did not agree to it.

EggysMom · 24/11/2018 17:05

I would love to be a SAHM or even work part time but I can’t because our financial security is entirely dependent on me.

But that is equally unfair on him, your financial security would be entirely dependent on him.

You need to find a compromise, or accept the situation is doomed.

bastardkitty · 24/11/2018 17:06

Are people being goady fuckers or what? They BOTH worked. He packed in his job without discussion. It's really not that hard to understand.

RedSkyLastNight · 24/11/2018 17:15

he's not a SAHP. He's unemployed and refusing to work.

So the children look after themselves when OP is at work? If this was a woman, everyone would say that was work.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 24/11/2018 17:33

You are in a position that men usually find themselves in. There is a huge double standard on display in this thread - if the roles were reversed, I am sure that the comments would be very different about the non-working parent.

However, the everyday sexism of mumsnet is a distraction here, because you need advice! Here's a perspective from a male breadwinner who went through divorce and secured 50/50.

First, remember that the courts are only interested in what is best for your children. They do understand that having a quality relationship with both parents is best, and so they will always try to support that. Your job in this is to make it easy for the judge to see that 50/50 is right. To do that, it has to genuinely work for your kids.

So, start by building a parenting plan. Physically write down how you would make 50/50 work for your kids. Can you adjust your working pattern to ensure you are around when they need you? Can you work at home sometimes? If your having the kids 50/50 would mean they spend lots of time in childcare, rather than with either parent, that probably isn't best for them. So you need to write down a plan, and you need to be honest with yourself about whether you can deliver it. For me, it meant getting a transfer out of London to work locally, negotiating regular working from home with my employer, and putting a high flying career on hold for the next few years at least. They're not easy decisions, but you have to be sure that you can be the parent your kids need.

Consider other factors that influence what is best for your kids. Who do they have the strongest relationships with? Who can best meet their emotional, physical, financial, and educational needs? In my case, there was domestic abuse from their mother during the marriage, so naturally allowing her unfettered control and influence over their lives wasn't going to be a good idea. Think hard about factors that will influence your kids' quality of life. And where those weigh against what you'd ideally want, be honest with yourself about this. Remember - their needs come first, and if it isn't right for them to have as much time with you, face up to that.

Accept that you're going to be screwed over financially. Sorry - that's just the way it is. Welcome to our side of divorce 🙂. Make an appropriate offer, but don't just roll over and hand everything across. Get quality legal advice. A court will usually expect the non-working parent to find a job and support themselves, so don't just assume that because he doesn't work now he won't be expected to in the future. I got taken to the cleaners - it's just the way it is. The court assumes that if you earned the money, you can always make more. So they give it to the other party. You might be tempted to get bitter about that - it's pointless. Accept that this is the way the world works. Personally, I'd always go for the clean break if you can, because I would imagine that paying spousal support for someone who couldn't be arsed to work (my ex was similar) could start to wear a bit thin a few years down the line!

Talk to your kids, and find out what they want. Do NOT lead them! You need to genuinely listen, and be willing to adapt your position if what they are saying is not consistent with what you want.

Throughout all of it, with every action you take, always pause and ask yourselves who you are doing it for. If you are genuinely doing something because it is in their best interests, then you won't go far wrong. It absolutely is possible to be the breadwinner AND to secure 50/50. I firmly believe that this is usually what's best for the kids - but only if you can commit to genuinely being there for them.

bloodyhellimtired · 24/11/2018 21:13

@RedSkyLastNight he's done it without discussion, he had a job. The kids would be in childcare if he hadn't. How are you missing this? They can't afford for him to be a stay at home parent, the op has made that clear. It's forced her into hours she doesn't want to work. If this was reversed I'd say the same thing. To have a stay at home parent you have to agree to it with your partner, you don't just pack in your job and refuse to work!

hendricksy · 24/11/2018 22:12

Separate , sell the house .. rent a house for you and the kids and split their time 50/50.. if there is any equity share it between the two of you .
Don't let him leech off you , he could work part time in the evenings if you are home every evening . 🙄🙄

PersonaNonGarter · 24/11/2018 22:14

Go part time.

springydaff · 24/11/2018 23:17

I think the key thing here is he left work without agreeing it with you . And now refuses to find work outside the home. Leaving you with no choice and no agency.

Do try Rights of Women for legal advice.

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