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Why can't my ex husband move on?

30 replies

surlycurly · 21/11/2018 22:26

Just that really. The man is odious. He does everything he can to make me miserable. He's remarried but can't seem to get on with his own life without sabotaging mine. He plays constant games about maintenance and has cut his maintenance money back further and further. He's self employed and always seems to manage to get around it. He plays games with my children all the time and he's ruining his relationship with them, and destroying their sense of self as he chooses everything and everyone over them. I've just had yet another text telling me he's no longer paying for something else that has always been part of our arrangement. He's a joyless, thrawn, narcissist who wants to crush me slowly into the ground. He's not managed it yet but I'm exhausted with the games and the head fuckery. Why can't he just move on?

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surlycurly · 21/11/2018 22:51

God I really do know how to write a thread. Clearly my pity party shall stay for one. Good night Mumsnet.

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Japanesejazz · 21/11/2018 22:54

Because he still loves you or wants to control you

PurpleWithRed · 21/11/2018 22:55

You have my sympathy. I assume he used to be a controlling twat of a husband? Did you instigate the split or did he?

If it’s any consolation my dh got over it after about 7 years, although he still has his moments. The kids see right through him.

8FencingWire · 21/11/2018 22:58

OP, I just had my teenage daughter describe her father as ‘a deadbeat’.
Little consolation for all the shit he’s been putting us through, but the main thing is that the child is seeing him for what he is.

PsychedelicSheep · 21/11/2018 23:01

My friends got one of these. He constantly does things to try to upset her at expense of the kids wellbeing.

Shes given up trying to keeps things amicable and just won't engage with him at all now. Luckily her kids are teens so arrange their own contact with him.

How old are your kids?

surlycurly · 21/11/2018 23:06

I have one of 11 and one of 14. They both adore him because his affection is conditional, and who doesn't want daddy to love them? But they are realising how he really is and it's horrible to watch. He didn't instigate the split, I did and he hates me for it. We're five years deep though so surely it should calm down eventually? I honestly thought that when he got remarried he'd back off but it's just the same, if not worse because he's clearly collaborating with his new wife (I don't know her at all so maybe that's not fair but I'm surmising from what my kids have said). He's also about to move abroad and I'm very concerned he'll just stop all money altogether. I'd be completely screwed then.

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Umbongointhejungle · 21/11/2018 23:19

It’s all about control.
Do you grey rock?
You’re kids will work it out when they’re adults, sadly for them.
But for now, can you get to a point where you don’t need his money, because he sounds like the kind of guy who will stop the money, and if he’s abroad I’m not sure what you could do about that.

surlycurly · 22/11/2018 04:22

I'd never heard of a grey rock- just read an article on it! Thank you. I'm raging that I'm awake worrying because of his text tonight. I don't sleep well but have done recently and then this!

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fannycraddock72 · 22/11/2018 06:36

Yep I agree with the grey rock technique it worked for me. He’s knows his actions provoke an emotional response from you which is exactly why he does it.

My ex was exactly the same, as soon as I’d get a text or the phone rang my anxiety levels went through the roof, I’d reply straight away eying to either defend myself against whatever ludicrous thing is been accused of or trying to make mr ex understand their actions were affecting our kids but it was pointless.

Eventually I just ignored it all, didn’t reply to anything other than the kids welfare, pick ups/drop offs. Any manipulation with regards to the divorce settlement/maintenance etc Went through my solicitor.

I blocked all forms of communication other that text or email, WhatsApp allowed them to see when I was online, read messages etc. My ex even switched to using used other apps such as Snapchat to actually locate my location! if they rang I let it go to voicemail that way I could determine if it was important or not.

The technique I adopted was to read the text/email and allow myself hours or even days to determine if it deserved a response. Often I didn’t and even when I replied it short and business like or just an ‘ok’. If it was an accusation I would ignore, which often led to outbursts and rage, I’d simply turn off my phone, go for a walk etc..

It takes time and practice but they get bored eventually and realise you won’t be provoked into an emotional response.

Good luck.

SandyY2K · 22/11/2018 08:00

Good advice from fannycraddock

lifebegins50 · 22/11/2018 08:21

My guess is he needs the emotional response from you to help him maintain his victim stance.

His new wife is likely to be told so many many lies or untruths so you are right not to blame her.

TheClitterati · 22/11/2018 08:32

Yes you need to grey rock him. Give him nothing but a blank bored look if you can't avoid seeing him from time to time. But try and avoid any contact that isn't absolutely essential. It worked well for me.

hellsbellsmelons · 22/11/2018 14:00

He's also about to move abroad and I'm very concerned he'll just stop all money altogether
My ExH did this and no...... I never got a penny.
It's bloody hard to get when they live in another country!
So you need to make sure you can cope without anything from him.
And.... you get him 'nearly' out of yours and DC lives.

surlycurly · 22/11/2018 21:14

Thanks all especially you @fannycraddock72 - great post. I don't see him at all, we don't communicate by phone, just text and no emails. He's impossible to talk to. Kids are both massively distressed after having to fill them in about his financial changes today. DD has refused to see him again. She's also cut her leg up really badly after arguing with him, and has been crying with the shame and guilt of self harming. What a day.

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NickyNora · 22/11/2018 21:19

No suitable advice but feel for you Op.Flowers

RandomMess · 22/11/2018 21:26

ThanksThanksThanksThanksThanks

NotTheFordType · 22/11/2018 21:29

Oh your poor DD. Can you arrange to do something really nice with her this weekend? And then with DS on the other day. I think it's really important that your DC see that you are 100% committed to them and you will never play games or abandon them as their fuckwit of a father has done. (You don't need to tell them this, your actions and attention will tell them subconsciously.)

Also "thrawn" is a brilliant word, thank you for reminding me of it.

ravenmum · 22/11/2018 21:33

Sounds like crap. I would guess the reason why he's doing this is the same reason you left him! He evidently hates you having any sort of control, hence him being so pissed off when you took control and left. I don't suppose there's any way to keep it quiet from the kids?

cushioncuddle · 22/11/2018 21:38

The reason he does it is because he enjoys the power and control.

It's so grim. He's revolting. Thanks

ivykaty44 · 22/11/2018 21:38

Stop allowing him to control you

surlycurly · 22/11/2018 21:39

Listen I know how shit it is that the kids know what's going on; it's a constant source of angst on my part. It's just that I had to explain to my 11 year old why he couldn't ask dad to put money on his lunch card, even when he only had 19p left, and he had to take a sandwich. My daughter is so furious that he's chosen someone else over them that her self esteem has hit a wall and even trivia like withdrawing money for lunches was enough to send her over the edge. And I shall try and make this weekend nice but we just moved and I'm broke 😩

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NotTheFordType · 22/11/2018 21:49

I know all about the being broke bit.

Maybe you could just have a hot chocolate, duvet and trash TV night with DD?

ravenmum · 22/11/2018 21:52

It is awful knowing how little your ex thinks of his own children. Mine said some horrible things about his, just unforgivable - fortunately it was all talk, though, so I just had to keep my mouth shut. I have probably come up with better excuses for his shitty behaviour than he has. Have you or the children got any other sources of support? I managed to get my son into counselling and it was a huge help. When you're struggling and need help yourself, let alone trying to be strong for he kids, it is so useful if someone from outside can get involved.

ravenmum · 22/11/2018 21:53

Snuggly TV night sounds nice!

dilly123 · 22/11/2018 21:55

My exh is very similar.. he's a joyless, unemotional arse..

We have a private financial agreement which he does pay on time & always has but he seems to think this is like pocket money to me.. & it should be spent purely on treating dd so refuses to contribute to anything expensive like new uniform or school trips (residential ones that cost lots)! He doesn't agree that it should be part of my household income to pay rent, food, bills etc.. he is utterly obsessed with money & is so tight he squeaks.. it annoys me that he gets away with giving dd £30 for Christmas while I get the long list.. although she is so good & doesn't ask for much & works for her pocket money.

He has no emotional connection with dd, all he does is criticise her, when he does see her (a weekend every few months) he complains about how much petrol it costs to get her & doesn't do any activities with her except maybe a dog walk but moans at her if she's in her room or on her phone. He wouldn't know what subjects she's doing for GCSE's or any of her likes & dislikes.. she is so far down on his list of priorities it hurts her feelings all the time.

I have all the responsibility & worry while he thinks because he pays me money (which is less than an approx CMS calculation I did a few months ago) that he's a good dad. Now she's 15 she can see him for what he is & she says she admires & respects my strength & what I've sacrificed for her which is lovely but I feel sad that he can't show her more love & that they don't have any kind of bond.

It doesn't have to be like this & it shouldn't! 😢

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